Cloud Computing: What's your stance?

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#1 CAPSROGUE
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Cloud computing. You practically hear it every 47 seconds these days. It's everywhere, it's nowhere.

I am wondering what you guys think about Cloud computing, not just gaming but also in general (read: daily tasks). Will it replace every PC at your home? Non at all? At the very least reduce? Do you think it's nice for mobile devices but won't replace desktops?

There are certain things I simply don't like about cloud computing:

[A] Provider-bound content. In my opinion any service should allow me to switch to another provider without any drawback. I can switch internet provider, power provider, etc without any drawback but I can't switch from OnLive to another provider unless I want to lose all my games.

Business model - For now all those web-applications are free, so my question is: How are they planning to make a profit? I'm not exactly interested in a website full of advertising. Monthly subscription fee? Not exactly desirable.

[C] Security. I think that I'll always need atleast one computer at home, simply because I won't want to put certain data in an environment that's much more suspectable to data breaches because of its centralised approach. It's simply bound to get hit numerous times by its very nature. I mean, you would to login to your account which means you and others will be suspectable to keyloggers and other ways of hacking an account. They're not exactly impenetrable fortresses, Sony being a recent example.

With that said I do like the concept of just a single desktop that can be accessed from anywhere on any device. I think that if there were a company that would design a "Personal Cloud Desktop" which would allow me to access it from anywhere and stream/transfer my desktop, pictures, audio, video, games and applications to any device I would cetainly favour that option.

How about you?

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#2 Blue-Sky
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The concept of "cloud computing" is not a replacement to traditional operating systems by any means. Our future is the use of both.

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#3 mattbbpl
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My company's premiere product is an enterprise cloud app. It's priced much higher than our other apps, but the TCO is much lower because it allows our customers to drastically reduce (or even eliminate) their IT staff.

Cloud computing is going to stay around and be very useful (particularly in the corporate marketplace). It will probably never eliminate standard operating systems and applications, though.
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#4 JigglyWiggly_
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I use both :)
Cloud is great for storage, but the extrmeely reliable stuff is often very expensive.

For applications, I tend to stick to myself.

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#5 Lonelynight
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Don't care for it, since the connection speed here is slow as ****.
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#6 IcyToasters
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I think I'll use it in places. Storing some things so that I can (in theory) access them anywhere, or in the case of OnLive, play games on a system that wouldn't normally let me.

But for information I really want to preserve I'll stick to my own HDDs or flash drives, even if it means backing it up to multiple drives.

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#7 Mystic-G
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I think cloud computing will be the single biggest mistake in IT innovation. I can already foresee massive breaches in security and leaked information. Not to mention big brother being easily able to spy without being caught.

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#8 gameguy6700
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I think cloud computing will be the single biggest mistake in IT innovation. I can already foresee massive breaches in security and leaked information. Not to mention big brother being easily able to spy without being caught.

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It's good for some things, like (relatively) cheap supercomputing and (relatively) cheap PC gaming. However, no one in their right mind will ever use it for general work or for looking at...erhrm..."sensitive files", so it's not going to replace general computing. Especially not since general use computers are so cheap. I doubt it will replace gaming computers either since you'll always get better performance on your own computer than a server cluster located 50 miles away.
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My company's premiere product is an enterprise cloud app. It's priced much higher than our other apps, but the TCO is much lower because it allows our customers to drastically reduce (or even eliminate) their IT staff.

Cloud computing is going to stay around and be very useful (particularly in the corporate marketplace). It will probably never eliminate standard operating systems and applications, though.mattbbpl
As someone who works at VMware, cloud computing as a kooky buzzword has been very good to me, though I work on it for corporate applications also, and don't have a lot of interest in it for most of my personal applications.
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Hands on hips, with legs wide apart.

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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]My company's premiere product is an enterprise cloud app. It's priced much higher than our other apps, but the TCO is much lower because it allows our customers to drastically reduce (or even eliminate) their IT staff.

Cloud computing is going to stay around and be very useful (particularly in the corporate marketplace). It will probably never eliminate standard operating systems and applications, though.xaos
As someone who works at VMware, cloud computing as a kooky buzzword has been very good to me, though I work on it for corporate applications also, and don't have a lot of interest in it for most of my personal applications.

Yeah, same here. I've come to view it as a way for companies to get TCO down or for people who have no knowledge/interest in managing their machine or getting the most out of it.
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#12 CF_Mono
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Kind of destroys the point of a PERSONAL computer doesn't it? It sounds like they're just re-inventing the internet. Screw that, I'll upload what I wish and keep everything else to myself.
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]My company's premiere product is an enterprise cloud app. It's priced much higher than our other apps, but the TCO is much lower because it allows our customers to drastically reduce (or even eliminate) their IT staff.

Cloud computing is going to stay around and be very useful (particularly in the corporate marketplace). It will probably never eliminate standard operating systems and applications, though.xaos
As someone who works at VMware, cloud computing as a kooky buzzword has been very good to me, though I work on it for corporate applications also, and don't have a lot of interest in it for most of my personal applications.

As an aside, my company finally decided to get us us developers out of the dark ages and start using VMs for software development. Crimany, it's nice. I can have each server of our n-tier architecture on the same machine of virtual VMs. I can replicate nearly any customer environment at the drop of a hat. While I'm developing, I can have our automated testing suite running through the latest builds of our products on a VM (or more) in the background. It's really insane what you can do with a single machine with those types of tools.
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#14 Meat_Wad_Fan
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It will lead to doomsday, I think it will end up making users too vulnerable.

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#15 KiIIyou
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Sounds so comfy.
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#16 comp_atkins
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if it sells a lot of servers it'll make me happy...
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#17 PernicioEnigma
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As long as it doesn't replace tradition operating system types I'm all for it.
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#18 Meat_Wad_Fan
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Sounds so comfy.KiIIyou

like your sig, at first I was all like ..."wtf"..... then i was like "oooooo coooooool"

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#19 mattbbpl
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It will lead to doomsday, I think it will end up making users too vulnerable.

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It really depends on the application. If the data needs to be available in the field over the internet, it's going to be exposed anyway. Putting it on the cloud could, arguably, make it more secure as that would, theoretically, put it in the hands of a larger and more capable IT staff who concern themselves with security every day. If the data wouldn't be accessible anyway, then it probably doesn't belong in the cloud to begin with.

If the data is accessible over the internet, it needs to be in the hands of a capable IT staff. Some smaller shops simply don't have those kinds of resources available and a move to a corporate cloud environment can provide that for them for pennies on the dollar.
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#20 xscrapzx
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I think cloud computing is going to be the way of the future for server based systems, such as Exchange, Anti-Virus, HR, and Finance applications. The bottom line is that is saves big time for companies because they don't have to buy and support extra hardware for these systems. For operating systems its going to be tough, because I can't see that being a viable option for a company. Although virtualization will plow the way for the end-user in the future, butI can't see a cloud based OS. Its nothing new or great, but the word seems catchy so that is why everyone uses it. It simply someone hosting a service for you instead of you hosting it for your users.

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#21 Lockedge
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I loath cloud computing. Nothing's yours once you put it up there. Anything bought from "cloud" based services isn't yours, you're just buying the ability to use it(so long as they wish to allow you to keep using it, at least). It, if not controlled and watched over, will allow companies to ream over their consumers with great vigor and abundance. Could it be useful if used honestly and not deviously? Yes, but there's no chance for it to happen.
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#22 superfluidity
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Objectively, it's a vastly more efficient way of doing things, but one gives up some control of their own property by using it. I like using it for some things but I prefer to store sensitive data and expensive software locally.

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#23 ChrisSpartan117
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I had to use it to submit my class projects to the teachers, but then again, everything we used was either on something made by Apple(Final Cut Pro) or something that was on a Mac(Photoshop).

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#24 hiphops_savior
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Cloud computing has its uses, but the fallacy is in thinking that it's a replacement for a hard drive.
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#25 zdmetal2101
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I don't like cloud computing at all, just doesn't seem secure. I don't know why but I just don't trust it.

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#26 QiiXii
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I don't much use for it myself, but I'm not paranoid about it.
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#27 CAPSROGUE
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How about the average people (read: techno-illiterate)? Do you think they'll embrace Cloud Computing simply because they're being told it's better?

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#28 superfluidity
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How about the average people (read: techno-illiterate)? Do you think they'll embrace Cloud Computing simply because they're being told it's better?

CAPSROGUE

it's actually far easier for people like that to use (no updates, no viruses, no need to know anything about your computer, more hand-holding in general), the only problem is that people like that have gotten somewhat used to the old model.

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#29 Fuhgeddabouditt
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A "Personal Cloud Desktop" I dont get. I guess that is what GOOGLE is doing with a ChromeDesktop that is in the works which I think the whole concept is silly. Presentations and such make it seem that you will be able to stream and do everything clearly and as easy as pie. That isnt the case and it wont be for a very long time. The whole cloud thing to me, if im not forced to use it, I wont. When it comes to documents, basically stuff I want to remain private and I know I have control over it, im going local. Local storage. Screw cloud computing.
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#30 UltimoIce
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Cloud computing is such a cliche'. I work a company that theoretically provides such a service. It's been around forever, it's just trendy right now. People need to stop getting all uppity about it. All it is is a concept. It would be like me coining the phrase "Metal Containing" and using it to try to sell lockers in a locker room.

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#31 CAPSROGUE
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A "Personal Cloud Desktop" I dont get. Fuhgeddabouditt

Simply a desktop computer, much like you have now, that you can access fromany other device allowing you to stream/transfer games/applications/content to your mobile devices. With the main difference with traditional cloud computing being you having complete control over it. So no "Cloud", just a desktop with cloud features.

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#32 kraken2109
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I like looking after my stuff myself. Also upload speeds are way too slow.

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#33 AmazonTreeBoa
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Never heard of "cloud computing" until this thread. I have no clue what it is.

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#34 markop2003
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It's already happening a lot it's just consumers arn't calling it cloud computing. Personally i see the major hurdle being IP rights holders, unless they get their act together or someone invents true torrent streaming people are still going to want to rely on local storage for their films, music ect. If you look at your average consumer's leisure usage you'll see that the only thing that they really use local resources for is media consumption, often pirated. Personally i can't see myself using cloud services fully due to the costs involed in getting an environment as flexible as i'ld want. Also i dislike how the goverment seems to want to peek at people's data, until they stop that i'll keep using local encryption.
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#35 SaDiZTiKStyLeZ
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It could still use alot of work.
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#36 Big_Bad_Sad
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If it helps me find work Im all for it.
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#37 pierst179
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I don't think it will ever replace PCs at home. They will coexist.

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#38 Diablo-B
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I took a class with the head of cyber security for AT&T. (P.S. Coolest professor ever) He loves the cloud and is pushing is heavily. From a security point of view it takes cyber security out of the hands of common folk and puts it in the hands of major system Admins. The common thought is that average end users arent capable/diligent enough to protect themselves from worms and botnets about could service providers can. To this I do agree. But the one issue I have with cloud computing is that if you dont have a connection to the interwebs you cant access your stuff. Plus I personal always found a distributed system more robust and efficient then a centralized system. I hybrid of the 2 is most likely.