Concerning same-sex marriage.

How can we expect to be distinguished from any other intolerant, oppressive country if we don't learn to accept people that are different from us?

How can we expect to be distinguished from any other intolerant, oppressive country if we don't learn to accept people that are different from us?

windsofwang

I cannot believe that this is even a goddamn issue. If someone wants to marry, whoever it may be, just **** let them. As long as its consensual and the groom/bride is of age. Thats it. If you don't approve of gay marriage, you are a **** fascist.

[QUOTE="windsofwang"]

How can we expect to be distinguished from any other intolerant, oppressive country if we don't learn to accept people that are different from us?

Stumpt25

[QUOTE="Stumpt25"][QUOTE="windsofwang"]

How can we expect to be distinguished from any other intolerant, oppressive country if we don't learn to accept people that are different from us?

xxDustmanxx

Agreed. That is biased and jumping to conclusions. Well arguably America is not oppressive, but tolerance for intolerance is the centerpiece issue of America.

I'm just saying that the reason people flood to America is because they are given the freedom to choose. By restricting the right for same-sex marriage, it acts as a roadblock for all America stands for.

[QUOTE="windsofwang"]

How can we expect to be distinguished from any other intolerant, oppressive country if we don't learn to accept people that are different from us?

Stumpt25

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"] because we're not intolerant or oppressive.windsofwang

Agreed. That is biased and jumping to conclusions.

I'm just saying that the reason people flood to America is because they are given the freedom to choose. By restricting the right for same-sex marriage, it acts as a roadblock for all America stands for.

gay marriage is ridiculous in the first place. it doesnt make any sense(to me). why would a gay person want to get married? its a religious thing and being gay doesnt exactly fit into any religion...at all.

but it should definitely be legal and the fact that we only havea few statesthat allow it is sick.

gay marriage is ridiculous in the first place. it doesnt make any sense(to me). why would a gay person want to get married? its a religious thing and being gay doesnt exactly fit into any religion...at all.

but it should definitely be legal and the fact that we only havea few statesthat allow it is sick.

modestkraut1291

gay marriage is ridiculous in the first place. it doesnt make any sense(to me). why would a gay person want to get married? its a religious thing and being gay doesnt exactly fit into any religion...at all.

but it should definitely be legal and the fact that we only havea few statesthat allow it is sick.

modestkraut1291

So atheists shouldn't want to marry either?

gay marriage is ridiculous in the first place. it doesnt make any sense(to me). why would a gay person want to get married? its a religious thing and being gay doesnt exactly fit into any religion...at all.

but it should definitely be legal and the fact that we only havea few statesthat allow it is sick.

modestkraut1291

It should be allowed. If you allow people that hate eachother to get married, that's worse than gay marriage imo. Let every person of legalage be able to marry whoever they want with eachothers consent

It should be allowed. If you allow people that hate eachother to get married, that's worse than gay marriage imo. Let every person of legalage be able to marry whoever they want with eachothers consent

Jekken6

Its been legal here in the UK for a few years and it hasn't changed my life in any way. People should be allowed to think homosexuals shouldn't marry though. Free country, right?

[QUOTE="Jekken6"]

It should be allowed. If you allow people that hate eachother to get married, that's worse than gay marriage imo. Let every person of legalage be able to marry whoever they want with eachothers consent

AdamPA1006

Slippery slope fallacy. Just because same-sex marriage is allowed, doesn't mean that people will practice other grotesque forms of marriage (not saying that same-sex marriage is grotesque, however). In some parts of America, polygamy and marrying blood relatives is practiced too; should we ban heterosexual marriage because that's obviously the cause of these corrupted pacts? :roll:

Also, would you mind showing me how two consenting, loving adults marrying eachother is the harbinger of polygamy and incest?

[QUOTE="Jekken6"]

It should be allowed. If you allow people that hate eachother to get married, that's worse than gay marriage imo. Let every person of legalage be able to marry whoever they want with eachothers consent

AdamPA1006

[QUOTE="Jekken6"]

It should be allowed. If you allow people that hate eachother to get married, that's worse than gay marriage imo. Let every person of legalage be able to marry whoever they want with eachothers consent

AdamPA1006

Unfortunately, intolerance has always been (to most people) an important part to establish their own position in society. The "mob" will always look for something or someone to discriminate, because by creating boundaries between the "self" / the "established" and "the "other" people create their own identites in which they feel secure and snuggly. Homophobia is after all only one sort of discrimination in a long line of discriminations in human history, of which some are still going on. Women, Jews, Afro-Americans, Indians, Disabled people .. sadly, the list goes on.

Homosexuality is not unnatural (there are homosexual animals)and it is not the same as siblings or cousings (1st, 2nd grade) marrying because the reason why they are not allowed to be married is the risk of bearing a disabled child. (BTW, only sexual intercourse between siblings and cousins is illegal, nothing else.So, they can live together, kiss and have sex but no coitus)

Everyone who discriminates homosexuals is basically on the same level as a fascist in the Third Reich, an uneducated, selfish simpleton.

River

its a religious thing and being gay doesnt exactly fit into any religion...at all.modestkraut1291

Per definition, religion is nothing but a set of beliefts. And it is only the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) who defy Homosexuality. There is no homosexual stance in other (world) religions such as Buddhism, Taoism, Shintu and so forth.

There are many homosexual christians and homosexual christian groups around too.

River

I just stopped carrying. I live in vemont and we just legalized gay marriage, and like I said I don't give two s**ts and a f**k. im still really up in the air about it. on one side theres that whole religion aspect about it, wheres marriage is only to be between a nam and a woman and that's traditional. But there the other side where America is supposed to respect the whole differences and that makes sense, but the already have civil rights and some other s*** thats just as good as marriage. so shwat ever.

gay marriage is ridiculous in the first place. it doesnt make any sense(to me). why would a gay person want to get married? its a religious thing and being gay doesnt exactly fit into any religion...at all.

but it should definitely be legal and the fact that we only havea few statesthat allow it is sick.

modestkraut1291

[QUOTE="modestkraut1291"]

gay marriage is ridiculous in the first place. it doesnt make any sense(to me). why would a gay person want to get married? its a religious thing and being gay doesnt exactly fit into any religion...at all.

but it should definitely be legal and the fact that we only havea few statesthat allow it is sick.

ithilgore2006

sure, some religions it would make sense. but if youre a christian or something like that and you have a gay marriage then youre a hypocrite. but hey, whats religion without hypocrisy?

gay marriage is ridiculous in the first place. it doesnt make any sense(to me). why would a gay person want to get married? its a religious thing and being gay doesnt exactly fit into any religion...at all.

but it should definitely be legal and the fact that we only havea few statesthat allow it is sick.

modestkraut1291

Marriage isn't just a religious thing, there are many legal benefits that come with it as well. Plus just because someone's gay doesn't mean they're not religious.

gay marriage is ridiculous in the first place. it doesnt make any sense(to me). why would a gay person want to get married? its a religious thing and being gay doesnt exactly fit into any religion...at all.

but it should definitely be legal and the fact that we only havea few statesthat allow it is sick.

modestkraut1291

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XMvviFbkf0

How can we expect to be distinguished from any other intolerant, oppressive country if we don't learn to accept people that are different from us?

windsofwang

We don't kill/enslave/imprison/make a public example of them.

As a country, America is doing just fine. Separation of Powers means it's some of the people you have an issue with.

I think it should be allowed. If they love each other why deny them the right?

gay marriage is ridiculous in the first place. it doesnt make any sense(to me). why would a gay person want to get married? its a religious thing and being gay doesnt exactly fit into any religion...at all.

but it should definitely be legal and the fact that we only havea few statesthat allow it is sick.

modestkraut1291

[QUOTE="windsofwang"]

How can we expect to be distinguished from any other intolerant, oppressive country if we don't learn to accept people that are different from us?

Theokhoth

We don't kill/enslave/imprison/make a public example of them.

As a country, America is doing just fine. Separation of Powers means it's some of the people you have an issue with.

Please elaborate....

I know a couple of gay people there really nice I dont know how they could be gay though it is repulsive to me

Well arguably America is not oppressive

windsofwang

I cannot believe that this is even a goddamn issue. If someone wants to marry, whoever it may be, just **** let them. As long as its consensual and the groom/bride is of age. Thats it. If you don't approve of gay marriage, you are a **** fascist.

xxDustmanxx

Why can't younger people love as well? The legal age of consent is when humans become capable of love?

[QUOTE="windsofwang"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"] I beg to differ.xxDustmanxx

Agreed. That is biased and jumping to conclusions.

I'm just saying that the reason people flood to America is because they are given the freedom to choose. By restricting the right for same-sex marriage, it acts as a roadblock for all America stands for.

[QUOTE="windsofwang"]

How can we expect to be distinguished from any other intolerant, oppressive country if we don't learn to accept people that are different from us?

Theokhoth

We don't kill/enslave/imprison/make a public example of them.

As a country, America is doing just fine. Separation of Powers means it's some of the people you have an issue with.

Unfortunately, intolerance has always been (to most people) an important part to establish their own position in society. The "mob" will always look for something or someone to discriminate, because by creating boundaries between the "self" / the "established" and "the "other" people create their own identites in which they feel secure and snuggly. Homophobia is after all only one sort of discrimination in a long line of discriminations in human history, of which some are still going on. Women, Jews, Afro-Americans, Indians, Disabled people .. sadly, the list goes on.

Homosexuality is not unnatural (there are homosexual animals)and it is not the same as siblings or cousings (1st, 2nd grade) marrying because the reason why they are not allowed to be married is the risk of bearing a disabled child. (BTW, only sexual intercourse between siblings and cousins is illegal, nothing else.So, they can live together, kiss and have sex but no coitus)

Everyone who discriminates homosexuals is basically on the same level as a fascist in the Third Reich, an uneducated, selfish simpleton.

River

Ravenhoe

Your showwing a lot of flawed thinking in the wholepost, like comparing homosexuals to animals... Your suggesting that white people are bad, your descriminating. Heck we descriminate against illegal immigrants all the time, is it bad, not exactly, so the term descrimination is so cliche. It seems like your the one who wants to feel secure and snuggly. And I am not afraid of homosexuals, if anything they are afraid of me (ok I got that from Master Chief sucks at Halo). Well intermarraying is unnatural because it does not produce good children, homosexuality is unnatural because it does not bear children in a marriage setting. Is that not the poitn of marriage? And dont make the arguement that you can have kids without being married, because that has so many holes in it. Most people who have kids before marriage do it out of stupidity. Marriage is how we organise family life, without it we have anarchy, just like what the animal kingdom is.

See the slippery slop fallacy has been overturned, now someone is sayying "but why cant young people have sex?" And it is not oppresion that gay marriage is illegal for the most part, they can still get jobs just like anyone else. Most peoples morals are that homosexuality is wrong, mainly because it also has a wide range of perverted sex acts, having sex with anyone, spreading disease.

So if anything, maybe same sex marriage is not really bad, maybe it will control all the random sex that produces disease. I mean come on people, for someone to be in the pornography business, they have to be homosexual...

I think it should be allowed. If they love each other why deny them the right?

darkhorse286

Homosexuality does not mean loving the same sex, you can love another dude and not be homosexual. Homosexuality is sexual attraction to the same gender, so we would be changing a long standing tradition based on what type of sex people enjoy. If homosexuals want to receive the same rights at a married couple that's fine, but to ask for the rest of the world to change the definition of marriage is unreasonable.

Homosexuality does not mean loving the same sex, you can love another dude and not be homosexual. Homosexuality is sexual attraction to the same gender, so we would be changing a long standing tradition based on what type of sex people enjoy.

Ace_WondersX

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Homosexuality does not mean loving the same sex, you can love another dude and not be homosexual. Homosexuality is sexual attraction to the same gender, so we would be changing a long standing tradition based on what type of sex people enjoy.

Vandalvideo

You're missing the point. Marriage is not the same as sexuality. You cannot defend the current trend by saying; Marriage is man and woman. I mean, technically, marriage has absolutely nothing to do with sex. Not to mention the bible doesn't sufficiently establish that a man cannot marry another man. It merely has some passages which illustrate marriages between men and women.Vandalvideo

One of the modern adaptations of a marriage is for a family. However, a marriage isn't exhaustively for a family. Besides, you can still have a family with commercial surrogacy or adoption. The family can still exist. You don't have to have sex to be a family.Vandalvideo