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#1 illegalimigrant
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Would you confront a racist person in this situation?

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#2 UnrighteousFury
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Honestly, I'd probably just go, "Wtf?!" and walk out.

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#3 Sajo7
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I'm afraid my connection is a bit slow at the moment, could you explain the situation?
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#4 12Bullets
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I'm afraid my connection is a bit slow at the moment, could you explain the situation?Sajo7
"It was 6:30 a.m. on a Friday in downtown Linden, N.J., when two Hispanic day laborers were struggling with their English as they tried to order a coffee and a sandwich at a deli But rather than getting served, they got a string of insults hurled at them from the clerk behind the counter. Their broken-English request for food was met with a barrage of racist remarks, including, "Get back in your pickup truck with the rest of your family.This scene wasn't real. It was all part of a "What Would You Do?" experiment
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#5 illegalimigrant
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The guy above explained very wel.

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#6 Pirate700
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Here in Kali you have to deal with impossible to understand spanish accents as a consumer all the time and believe me it's annoying as hell. With that, there is no excuse for the comments made, especially as an employee.

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#7 Sajo7
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Thanks 12Bullets. Honestly I'm not really sure what I'd do, probably nothing. If it got violent I'd probably call the police.
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#8 soulfood4
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Idk if i would confront a racist, people are jerks, the world goes on.
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#9 artichoke
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I would definitely do something about it. My mom's American and I kind of look like her so I haven't had any trouble but my dad's Mexican and he's been insulted lots of times. Once my dad was out jogging and two rednecks in a pickup truck drove by and threw a bottle at him and yelled at him to go back to Mexico. It's stupid that two pathetic lowlifes that probably don't even have a job think they can tell my father to leave when he's a doctor and has accomplished more than they probably ever will. I mean who's the drain on the community there.
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#10 Pirate700
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I would definitely do something about it. My mom's American and I kind of look like her so I haven't had any trouble but my dad's Mexican and he's been insulted lots of times. Once my dad was out jogging and two rednecks in a pickup truck drove by and threw a bottle at him and yelled at him to go back to Mexico. It's stupid that two pathetic lowlifes that probably don't even have a job think they can tell my father to leave when he's a doctor and has accomplished more than they probably ever will. I mean who's the drain on the community there.artichoke
With all due respect, what makes you think they were rednecks? That term gets thrown around WAY too much on this forum.

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#11 soulfood4
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I find it ironic the TC's name is illegal immigrant.
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#12 TBoogy
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I saw this when it was on TV a while back, but I didnt catch all of it.

I am so mad right now at the black man in the story (as a black man myself).

There is NO way we should EVER side with those who seek to oppress others. I don't know if he just wanted to "fit in" or what, but it is innexcusable. At least he said he was sorry and just got "caught up" in the heat of the moment, although that is not quite good enough for me.

The good part of the story is, 3 times as many people defended the victims than sided with the clerk.

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I find it ironic the TC's name is illegal immigrant.soulfood4
Haha I just noticed that.
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#15 artichoke
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Well you're probably right but where I live you do tend to get some people up in the mountains who live in a trailer or shack, who clean their guns and drink beer all day. I realize that's probably the ideal life for some people but it does fit the stereotype. Besides driving in a truck without a t-shirt while drinking doesn't help their image. Regardless of the term I used, I think we can all agree that it was wrong.
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[QUOTE="artichoke"]I would definitely do something about it. My mom's American and I kind of look like her so I haven't had any trouble but my dad's Mexican and he's been insulted lots of times. Once my dad was out jogging and two rednecks in a pickup truck drove by and threw a bottle at him and yelled at him to go back to Mexico. It's stupid that two pathetic lowlifes that probably don't even have a job think they can tell my father to leave when he's a doctor and has accomplished more than they probably ever will. I mean who's the drain on the community there.Pirate700

With all due respect, what makes you think they were rednecks? That term gets thrown around WAY too much on this forum.

Can you say "double standard"?

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="artichoke"]I would definitely do something about it. My mom's American and I kind of look like her so I haven't had any trouble but my dad's Mexican and he's been insulted lots of times. Once my dad was out jogging and two rednecks in a pickup truck drove by and threw a bottle at him and yelled at him to go back to Mexico. It's stupid that two pathetic lowlifes that probably don't even have a job think they can tell my father to leave when he's a doctor and has accomplished more than they probably ever will. I mean who's the drain on the community there.12Bullets

With all due respect, what makes you think they were rednecks? That term gets thrown around WAY too much on this forum.

what exactly is a redneck these days :P ps. we dont like your types round here

I'm not sure what my type is or who the hell you are but thanks for the info. :|

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#18 12Bullets
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="12Bullets"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]With all due respect, what makes you think they were rednecks? That term gets thrown around WAY too much on this forum.

what exactly is a redneck these days :P ps. we dont like your types round here

I'm not sure what my type is or who the hell you are but thanks for the info. :|

it was a south park reference :(
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#19 Sajo7
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[QUOTE="12Bullets"]With all due respect, what makes you think they were rednecks? That term gets thrown around WAY too much on this forum.

Pirate700

what exactly is a redneck these days :P ps. we dont like your types round here

I'm not sure what my type is or who the hell you are but thanks for the info. :|

Relax, I'm pretty sure it's a joke.
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#20 soulfood4
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="12Bullets"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]With all due respect, what makes you think they were rednecks? That term gets thrown around WAY too much on this forum.

what exactly is a redneck these days :P ps. we dont like your types round here

I'm not sure what my type is or who the hell you are but thanks for the info. :|

I dont get this...i thought 12Bullets was being sarcastic...
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="artichoke"]I would definitely do something about it. My mom's American and I kind of look like her so I haven't had any trouble but my dad's Mexican and he's been insulted lots of times. Once my dad was out jogging and two rednecks in a pickup truck drove by and threw a bottle at him and yelled at him to go back to Mexico. It's stupid that two pathetic lowlifes that probably don't even have a job think they can tell my father to leave when he's a doctor and has accomplished more than they probably ever will. I mean who's the drain on the community there.Astrapsody

With all due respect, what makes you think they were rednecks? That term gets thrown around WAY too much on this forum.

Can you say "double standard"?

:lol: I thought the same thing. In a thread about racism, someone was freely called a redneck. Gotta love it.

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I'd say, 'Coming from the guy working in fast food' like I was trying to keep it under by breath, but I'm really saying it loud enough for him to hear.

p.s.

My parents don't know English, and I found it extremly annoying, as a kid, to translate every piece of mail and phone call for them.

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#23 MoonMarvel
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I wouldn't do anything. I have seen these shows, people need to mind there own biznatch.
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That would make me ******* rage. I'd walk up to the counter and and ask to see the manager. Then I'd ask the people what they needed, and try my best to understand them, and order it for them. Then I'd call the cops.
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That would make me ******* rage. I'd walk up to the counter and and ask to see the manager. Then I'd ask the people what they needed, and try my best to understand them, and order it for them. Then I'd call the cops. XilePrincess
I didn't watch the entire video, but call the cops for what?

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That would make me ******* rage. I'd walk up to the counter and and ask to see the manager. Then I'd ask the people what they needed, and try my best to understand them, and order it for them. Then I'd call the cops. XilePrincess
Call the cops for what? That is going way over the line and I would be more likely to talk to you about your actions then theirs. They are not kids, I am sure they can handle themselves. Unless they get violent I see no reason to get involved.
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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]That would make me ******* rage. I'd walk up to the counter and and ask to see the manager. Then I'd ask the people what they needed, and try my best to understand them, and order it for them. Then I'd call the cops. MoonMarvel
Call the cops for what? That is going way over the line and I would be more likely to talk to you about your actions then theirs. They are not kids, I am sure they can handle themselves. Unless they get violent I see no reason to get involved.

This. No need to try to be some hero. No punches were thrown or anything. Let them be. They are grown men.

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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]That would make me ******* rage. I'd walk up to the counter and and ask to see the manager. Then I'd ask the people what they needed, and try my best to understand them, and order it for them. Then I'd call the cops. MoonMarvel
Call the cops for what? That is going way over the line and I would be more likely to talk to you about your actions then theirs. They are not kids, I am sure they can handle themselves. Unless they get violent I see no reason to get involved.

its called standing up for people. Some of us have the balls to do it. I wouldnt want that guy working in my local store. id make sure his was fired
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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]That would make me ******* rage. I'd walk up to the counter and and ask to see the manager. Then I'd ask the people what they needed, and try my best to understand them, and order it for them. Then I'd call the cops. MoonMarvel
Call the cops for what? That is going way over the line and I would be more likely to talk to you about your actions then theirs. They are not kids, I am sure they can handle themselves. Unless they get violent I see no reason to get involved.

I was thinking when I wrote it that not serving somebody because of their race would be illegal, but then again maybe that was wishful thinking.
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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"]That would make me ******* rage. I'd walk up to the counter and and ask to see the manager. Then I'd ask the people what they needed, and try my best to understand them, and order it for them. Then I'd call the cops. 12Bullets
Call the cops for what? That is going way over the line and I would be more likely to talk to you about your actions then theirs. They are not kids, I am sure they can handle themselves. Unless they get violent I see no reason to get involved.

its called standing up for people. Some of us have the balls to do it. I wouldnt want that guy working in my local store. id make sure his was fired

No it's called being self rightous and nosey. Let them deal with their own problem. Unless it turns pphysical or is somehow inconveniencing you, you have no reason to get involved. It has nothing to do with balls. It's called letting adults deal with their own problems.

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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"]That would make me ******* rage. I'd walk up to the counter and and ask to see the manager. Then I'd ask the people what they needed, and try my best to understand them, and order it for them. Then I'd call the cops. 12Bullets
Call the cops for what? That is going way over the line and I would be more likely to talk to you about your actions then theirs. They are not kids, I am sure they can handle themselves. Unless they get violent I see no reason to get involved.

its called standing up for people. Some of us have the balls to do it. I wouldnt want that guy working in my local store. id make sure his was fired

Pirate700 said it best. They are not kids but grown men, people need to mind their own business. We don't need a hero, unless there are punches thrown stay out of it as it is none of your business, no matter how you try to rationalize it.
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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"]That would make me ******* rage. I'd walk up to the counter and and ask to see the manager. Then I'd ask the people what they needed, and try my best to understand them, and order it for them. Then I'd call the cops. XilePrincess
Call the cops for what? That is going way over the line and I would be more likely to talk to you about your actions then theirs. They are not kids, I am sure they can handle themselves. Unless they get violent I see no reason to get involved.

I was thinking when I wrote it that not serving somebody because of their race would be illegal, but then again maybe that was wishful thinking.

While I don't agree with racism, they do have the right to refuse service to anyone. Says that in any place of business in the US.

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[QUOTE="12Bullets"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Call the cops for what? That is going way over the line and I would be more likely to talk to you about your actions then theirs. They are not kids, I am sure they can handle themselves. Unless they get violent I see no reason to get involved.Pirate700

its called standing up for people. Some of us have the balls to do it. I wouldnt want that guy working in my local store. id make sure his was fired

No it's called being self rightous and nosey. Let them deal with their own problem. Unless it turns pphysical or is somehow inconveniencing you, you have no reason to get involved. It has nothing to do with balls. It's called letting adults deal with their own problems.

BRAVO! *Applause* Maybe they don't want your help? Thats always a chance.
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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Call the cops for what? That is going way over the line and I would be more likely to talk to you about your actions then theirs. They are not kids, I am sure they can handle themselves. Unless they get violent I see no reason to get involved.Pirate700

I was thinking when I wrote it that not serving somebody because of their race would be illegal, but then again maybe that was wishful thinking.

While I don't agree with racism, they do have the right to refuse service to anyone. Says that in any place of business in the US.

no they dont. you cant ban someone from your store because of their race
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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Call the cops for what? That is going way over the line and I would be more likely to talk to you about your actions then theirs. They are not kids, I am sure they can handle themselves. Unless they get violent I see no reason to get involved.Pirate700

I was thinking when I wrote it that not serving somebody because of their race would be illegal, but then again maybe that was wishful thinking.

While I don't agree with racism, they do have the right to refuse service to anyone. Says that in any place of business in the US.

Another excellent post! You are right, companies can refuse service on some grounds.
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[QUOTE="Sajo7"]I'm afraid my connection is a bit slow at the moment, could you explain the situation?12Bullets
"It was 6:30 a.m. on a Friday in downtown Linden, N.J., when two Hispanic day laborers were struggling with their English as they tried to order a coffee and a sandwich at a deli But rather than getting served, they got a string of insults hurled at them from the clerk behind the counter. Their broken-English request for food was met with a barrage of racist remarks, including, "Get back in your pickup truck with the rest of your family.This scene wasn't real. It was all part of a "What Would You Do?" experiment

Whew! Well I've always lived in a very diverse home, so racism was always kinda confusing to me. My older sister is half-Hawaiian, I'm all white, and my little sister is half black. I'm totally against any kind of racial ignorance. People are people, plain and simple; the color of someone's skin doesn't determine the person inside it. There is trash in all colors, creeds, and religions. If I were in that situation, I would've ordered for the Hispanic men and I would've filed a serious complaint and possibly a lawsuit against the store/restaurant chain.
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[QUOTE="12Bullets"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I was thinking when I wrote it that not serving somebody because of their race would be illegal, but then again maybe that was wishful thinking.XilePrincess

While I don't agree with racism, they do have the right to refuse service to anyone. Says that in any place of business in the US.

no they dont. you cant ban someone from your store because of their race

But they can refuse you service if you don't speak english.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"] I was thinking when I wrote it that not serving somebody because of their race would be illegal, but then again maybe that was wishful thinking.12Bullets

While I don't agree with racism, they do have the right to refuse service to anyone. Says that in any place of business in the US.

no they dont. you cant ban someone from your store because of their race

I didn't say ban. I said refuse service and if it's a private business yes they can ban you too.

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[QUOTE="12Bullets"][QUOTE="Sajo7"]I'm afraid my connection is a bit slow at the moment, could you explain the situation?Deathxcore
"It was 6:30 a.m. on a Friday in downtown Linden, N.J., when two Hispanic day laborers were struggling with their English as they tried to order a coffee and a sandwich at a deli But rather than getting served, they got a string of insults hurled at them from the clerk behind the counter. Their broken-English request for food was met with a barrage of racist remarks, including, "Get back in your pickup truck with the rest of your family.This scene wasn't real. It was all part of a "What Would You Do?" experiment

Whew! Well I've always lived in a very diverse home, so racism was always kinda confusing to me. My older sister is half-Hawaiian, I'm all white, and my little sister is half black. I'm totally against any kind of racial ignorance. People are people, plain and simple; the color of someone's skin doesn't determine the person inside it. There is trash in all colors, creeds, and religions. If I were in that situation, I would've ordered for the Hispanic men and I would've filed a serious complaint and possibly a lawsuit against the store/restaurant chain.

I seriously doubt you could sue them for an act they didn't do to you.
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[QUOTE="Deathxcore"][QUOTE="12Bullets"] "It was 6:30 a.m. on a Friday in downtown Linden, N.J., when two Hispanic day laborers were struggling with their English as they tried to order a coffee and a sandwich at a deli But rather than getting served, they got a string of insults hurled at them from the clerk behind the counter. Their broken-English request for food was met with a barrage of racist remarks, including, "Get back in your pickup truck with the rest of your family.This scene wasn't real. It was all part of a "What Would You Do?" experiment MoonMarvel
Whew! Well I've always lived in a very diverse home, so racism was always kinda confusing to me. My older sister is half-Hawaiian, I'm all white, and my little sister is half black. I'm totally against any kind of racial ignorance. People are people, plain and simple; the color of someone's skin doesn't determine the person inside it. There is trash in all colors, creeds, and religions. If I were in that situation, I would've ordered for the Hispanic men and I would've filed a serious complaint and possibly a lawsuit against the store/restaurant chain.

I seriously doubt you could sue them for an act they didn't do to you.

:lol: I agree. Seriously, some of the the posts in this thread are absurd.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="12Bullets"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

While I don't agree with racism, they do have the right to refuse service to anyone. Says that in any place of business in the US.

no they dont. you cant ban someone from your store because of their race

I didn't say ban. I said refuse service and if it's a private business yes they can ban you too.

are you kidding me? Not here in the us.
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#42 Pvt_r3d
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If would be real mad if a store clerk called me or my friends those names...Yet there is nothing we can do about it since where i live there are REDNECKS and hispanics. It's always a warzone here. Even the high school lunchroom is split in half betweeen hispanics and REDNECKS. I was even almost pelted with a bottle but that didn't stop me from throwing it back at em. Over here we refuse service to REDNECKS (Sarcasm)
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#43 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="12Bullets"] no they dont. you cant ban someone from your store because of their race12Bullets

I didn't say ban. I said refuse service and if it's a private business yes they can ban you too.

are you kidding me? Not here in the us.

Yes in the US. Lean the laws. A private business can ban anyone they wish from their property or place of business.

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#44 XilePrincess
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Since I guess cops aren't really the best option i'd have at least called the BBB and filed a complaint there.
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#45 Pvt_r3d
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="12Bullets"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I didn't say ban. I said refuse service and if it's a private business yes they can ban you too.

are you kidding me? Not here in the us.

Yes in the US. Lean the laws. A private business can ban anyone they wish from their property or place of business.

But in a major restaurant chain...
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#46 MoonMarvel
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[QUOTE="12Bullets"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

no they dont. you cant ban someone from your store because of their race12Bullets

I didn't say ban. I said refuse service and if it's a private business yes they can ban you too.

are you kidding me? Not here in the us.

Take a class in business law. There are even spanish stores who refuse service to english speakers.
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#47 Pirate700
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Since I guess cops aren't really the best option i'd have at least called the BBB and filed a complaint there.XilePrincess

This is a much more sensible option if you feel you must take action for something that didn't happen to you.

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#48 Pvt_r3d
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So where do you live? and how is the rascism in your area? Pirate and Moon.
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So where do you live? and how is the rascism in your area? Pirate and Moon.Pvt_r3d
Southern California and I don't see much racism at all. My little clump of dirt is rather peaceful for the most part.
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#50 Pirate700
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So where do you live? and how is the rascism in your area? Pirate and Moon.Pvt_r3d
I live in San Diego and I've seen my share with a large minority population here.