Ohhh I like where this topic is going lol
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It seems you think using large words makes you appear smarter than others, thus making you seem more intelligent, heres a hint, it doesn't. :)
I know plenty of intelligent conservatives, just as I know many liberals like yourself.
Also I don't think evolution is worried about your political or social beliefs, it's busy trying to help species survive.
... but not necessarily their IQ. I know social conservatives who are very quick, witty, knowledgeable, and even logical. They just make fundamental assumptions about values and the world that direct their reasoning differently.Fiscal Conservatism is fine but there's definitely something wrong with Social Conservatives.
Aljosa23
Conservatives seem to put more faith in religion, gut feelings, and tradition.
Liberals may put more faith in the human ability to reason and in the scientific method.
You can certainly argue that one is better but they're different courses of thought -- apples and oranges, if you ask me.
[QUOTE="lostrib"][QUOTE="liberalus"] what has led you to believe such? liberalus
your idiotic threads
this thread is not idiotic. it is, hopefully, the start of a large and enlightening discussion. please exit this thread or i will report you to the moderation teamhi banjo
[QUOTE="lostrib"][QUOTE="liberalus"] thank you for your opinion. however, i think conservatism in itself is flawed belief. it is based on the appeal to tradition fallacy. as a result, it is a fallacious and not logically sound political belief. liberalus
so where did you copy paste that from?
thought it by myself using analysis and the scientific method, something you lack Please explain the process of scientific method that you use to come up with that statement. Not sure you can use the scientific method to come up with a logic statement as the scientific method requires something physical to test and ideas certainly are not physical phenomena.[QUOTE="liberalus"][QUOTE="lostrib"]thought it by myself using analysis and the scientific method, something you lack Please explain the process of scientific method that you use to come up with that statement. Not sure you can use the scientific method to come up with a logic statement as the scientific method requires something physical to test and ideas certainly are not physical phenomena.so where did you copy paste that from?
ferrari2001
i think his scientific method involves shoving his hand up his ass and pulling shit out
Please explain the process of scientific method that you use to come up with that statement. Not sure you can use the scientific method to come up with a logic statement as the scientific method requires something physical to test and ideas certainly are not physical phenomena.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="liberalus"] thought it by myself using analysis and the scientific method, something you lack lostrib
i think his scientific method involves shoving his hand up his ass and pulling shit out
I suppose that would a scientific experiment so long has he has a valid hypothesis and he performs the experiment under the same conditions every time.thought it by myself using analysis and the scientific method, something you lack liberalusYou forgot one thing about the scientific method, it's inherently uncertain because hypothesis constantly changes and is either proven or disproven. Never mind the fact that you cannot prove nor disprove anything without physical evidence that can repeat the same aspects described in said hypothesis. In the case of ideology, this is more of a philosophical debate, not science.
First of all, if this is about book smarts and college degrees and such, this makes tons of sense, since more and more people are becoming ignorant extremist liberals, while more of the extreme (and sometimes ignorant) conservatives are older and therefore didn't go to college (in most cases). Â
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This is no way proves anything if this is the case. Â Other than that, it is bullcrap. Â and measuring someones intellect is pretty pointless. Â THough I would agree that obnoxiously "smart" people tend to turn against religion and such and many other things that usually connect with the ideals of conservatives. Â Most of the people I know from school that took tons of high end classes were very full of themselves and very pollitically correct, and acted above everyone. Â Not all of them were like that, but most of them. Â
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Bottom line is EXTREME liberals and EXTREME conservatives can be ignorant and crazy, but I definitely lean more towards the conservative side, as liberal idealogy (for the most part, not all) is ruining out country. Â
More along the lines that conservative ideology attracts stupid people more than liberal ideology. They both have their stupids and intelligents, but rhetoric typically sucker in stupid people.hiphops_savior
I also would just like to point out how much more important common sense, morality, family values, and all that is than being book smart. Â
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Saying that "liberal economics is logically flawed" is a bit of an odd statement, since there are many aspects of 'liberal economics' with different foundations, and since different 'logical' models can yield contradictory results.Saturos3091Very true. I was just lashing out because of how much I loathe partisan politics and how 'science' like this only makes things worse.
I agree that there are definite flaws with the study methodology, and that people shouldn't make too much out of it. Studies of this type are very susceptible to all sorts of problems. Really, pretty much any study that doesn't either make responses incentive compatible or use some objective measurement shouldn't be taken too seriously.
Would be curious to hear your criticisms of 'liberal economics' (not that I'm economically liberal, just curious).
I agree that there are definite flaws with the study methodology, and that people shouldn't make too much out of it. Studies of this type are very susceptible to all sorts of problems. Really, pretty much any study that doesn't either make responses incentive compatible or use some objective measurement shouldn't be taken too seriously.
Would be curious to hear your criticisms of 'liberal economics' (not that I'm economically liberal, just curious).
chessmaster1989
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I agree that there are definite flaws with the study methodology, and that people shouldn't make too much out of it. Studies of this type are very susceptible to all sorts of problems. Really, pretty much any study that doesn't either make responses incentive compatible or use some objective measurement shouldn't be taken too seriously.
Would be curious to hear your criticisms of 'liberal economics' (not that I'm economically liberal, just curious).
Saturos3091
Saez and Diamond are both smarter than we'll ever be. :P
I don't agree with Saez's politics, although he does generally impeccable research. Less familiar with Diamond's work.
Also a point - I don't think Saez and Diamond are arguing against the Laffer curve exactly, more like they're arguing that high-income individuals aren't very responsive to changes in the tax rate even at high levels (which doesn't say anything about the responses of low- and middle-income earners).
If conservatives are idiots then what does this make liberals look like? Attorney General Eric Holder knows nothing! From last weeks hearings in regards to the DOJ's treatment of the Associated Press:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fCF_LiS4l4
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