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#51 deactivated-5c74ba2955026
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Ohhh I like where this topic is going lol

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#52 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Fiscal Conservatism is fine but there's definitely something wrong with Social Conservatives.

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#53 sensfanVone
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It seems you think using large words makes you appear smarter than others, thus making you seem more intelligent, heres a hint, it doesn't. :)

I know plenty of intelligent conservatives, just as I know many liberals like yourself.

Also I don't think evolution is worried about your political or social beliefs, it's busy trying to help species survive.

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#54 Meinhard1
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More along the lines that conservative ideology attracts stupid people more than liberal ideology. They both have their stupids and intelligents, but rhetoric typically sucker in stupid people.hiphops_savior
Yes! Intelligent posts, FTW!
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#55 Fightingfan
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Mitt Romney buying JP Morgan - you post on internet forum. LOLwut
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#56 N30F3N1X
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where are all these "intelligent" conservatives everyone is talking about? I have yet to engage in conversation with such people liberalus

Ever read Tolkien?

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#57 Meinhard1
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Fiscal Conservatism is fine but there's definitely something wrong with Social Conservatives.

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... but not necessarily their IQ. I know social conservatives who are very quick, witty, knowledgeable, and even logical. They just make fundamental assumptions about values and the world that direct their reasoning differently.

Conservatives seem to put more faith in religion, gut feelings, and tradition.

Liberals may put more faith in the human ability to reason and in the scientific method.

You can certainly argue that one is better but they're different courses of thought -- apples and oranges, if you ask me.

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#58 dude_brahmski
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="liberalus"] what has led you to believe such? liberalus

your idiotic threads

this thread is not idiotic. it is, hopefully, the start of a large and enlightening discussion. please exit this thread or i will report you to the moderation team

hi banjo

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#59 lamprey263
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conservatives think facts are too politically correct
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#60 Bane_09
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Well even bobby jindal thinks his party attracts stupid people, but generalizations are never right
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#61 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="liberalus"] thank you for your opinion. however, i think conservatism in itself is flawed belief. it is based on the appeal to tradition fallacy. as a result, it is a fallacious and not logically sound political belief. liberalus

so where did you copy paste that from?

thought it by myself using analysis and the scientific method, something you lack

Please explain the process of scientific method that you use to come up with that statement. Not sure you can use the scientific method to come up with a logic statement as the scientific method requires something physical to test and ideas certainly are not physical phenomena.
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#62 cain006
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where are all these "intelligent" conservatives everyone is talking about? I have yet to engage in conversation with such people liberalus
Both my parents are conservative and have masters. Hell my dad works directly under three and four star generals.

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#63 lostrib
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[QUOTE="liberalus"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

so where did you copy paste that from?

ferrari2001

thought it by myself using analysis and the scientific method, something you lack

Please explain the process of scientific method that you use to come up with that statement. Not sure you can use the scientific method to come up with a logic statement as the scientific method requires something physical to test and ideas certainly are not physical phenomena.

i think his scientific method involves shoving his hand up his ass and pulling shit out

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#64 Netherscourge
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I think what happens is that Conservatives generally don't like to change or adapt, so they have no real incentive to further educate themselves or approach anything from multiple angles. They are very static and non-progressive. Set in their ways, which in many cases, are obsolete. But, I'm just generalizing here.
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#65 00-Riddick-00
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I am a conservative tc... Calling me stupid eh?
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#66 deactivated-5c8ff6a32bb23
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Stupid thread is stupid thread. Nothing to see here, folks.
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#67 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="liberalus"] thought it by myself using analysis and the scientific method, something you lack lostrib

Please explain the process of scientific method that you use to come up with that statement. Not sure you can use the scientific method to come up with a logic statement as the scientific method requires something physical to test and ideas certainly are not physical phenomena.

i think his scientific method involves shoving his hand up his ass and pulling shit out

I suppose that would a scientific experiment so long has he has a valid hypothesis and he performs the experiment under the same conditions every time.
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#68 layton2012
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A radical on either side is stupid, but yeah conservatives are worse.
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#69 MakeMeaSammitch
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I could go for some tacos.

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#70 Barbariser
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I could swear that I've read this before. Oh yes - that blog is one and a half years old and the study has been around even longer. Also, the problem with it is that it tests for conservatism by defining conservatism as homophobia and racism. The fact that American conservatives tend to be more racist/homophobic than liberals doesn't necessarily mean that all homophobes and racists are conservative, and even if it did you couldn't use that as a litmus test for conservative. Political ideologies are defined by so much more than their stances on minority groups.
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#71 Hatiko
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104 posts in 6 days?! Cool it man!

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#72 chessmaster1989
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Fiscal conservatism is cool. Social conservatism is moronic.
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#73 hiphops_savior
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thought it by myself using analysis and the scientific method, something you lack liberalus
You forgot one thing about the scientific method, it's inherently uncertain because hypothesis constantly changes and is either proven or disproven. Never mind the fact that you cannot prove nor disprove anything without physical evidence that can repeat the same aspects described in said hypothesis. In the case of ideology, this is more of a philosophical debate, not science.
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#74 WhiteKnight77
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Hey dave, remember what I said about this kind of garbage?
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#75 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="liberalus"] this thread is not idiotic. it is, hopefully, the start of a large and enlightening discussion. please exit this thread or i will report you to the moderation team

You put faith in 'scientific studies' conducted in manners which are, in fact, a product of selection bias (and obviously Jezebel is a hilariously biased website). Do I think most conservatives are stupid? Absolutely. Do I think most liberals are stupid? Absolutely. And to your asinine statement as to 'logical correctness,' liberal economics is logically flawed, so deal with it and stop parading around your meaningless political labels and learn to think for yourself. Worthless.
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#76 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="liberalus"] this thread is not idiotic. it is, hopefully, the start of a large and enlightening discussion. please exit this thread or i will report you to the moderation team

You put faith in 'scientific studies' conducted in manners which are, in fact, a product of selection bias (and obviously Jezebel is a hilariously biased website). Do I think most conservatives are stupid? Absolutely. Do I think most liberals are stupid? Absolutely. And to your asinine statement as to 'logical correctness,' liberal economics is logically flawed, so deal with it and stop parading around your meaningless political labels and learn to think for yourself. Worthless.

Saying that "liberal economics is logically flawed" is a bit of an odd statement, since there are many aspects of 'liberal economics' with different foundations, and since different 'logical' models can yield contradictory results.
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First of all, if this is about book smarts and college degrees and such, this makes tons of sense, since more and more people are becoming ignorant extremist liberals, while more of the extreme (and sometimes ignorant) conservatives are older and therefore didn't go to college (in most cases).  

 

This is no way proves anything if this is the case.  Other than that, it is bullcrap.  and measuring someones intellect is pretty pointless.  THough I would agree that obnoxiously "smart" people tend to turn against religion and such and many other things that usually connect with the ideals of conservatives.  Most of the people I know from school that took tons of high end classes were very full of themselves and very pollitically correct, and acted above everyone.  Not all of them were like that, but most of them.  

 

Bottom line is EXTREME liberals and EXTREME conservatives can be ignorant and crazy, but I definitely lean more towards the conservative side, as liberal idealogy (for the most part, not all) is ruining out country.  

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#78 Lonelynight
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More along the lines that conservative ideology attracts stupid people more than liberal ideology. They both have their stupids and intelligents, but rhetoric typically sucker in stupid people.hiphops_savior
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#79 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Saying that "liberal economics is logically flawed" is a bit of an odd statement, since there are many aspects of 'liberal economics' with different foundations, and since different 'logical' models can yield contradictory results.

Very true. I was just lashing out because of how much I loathe partisan politics and how 'science' like this only makes things worse.
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#80 NaveedLife
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I also would just like to point out how much more important common sense, morality, family values, and all that is than being book smart.  

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Saying that "liberal economics is logically flawed" is a bit of an odd statement, since there are many aspects of 'liberal economics' with different foundations, and since different 'logical' models can yield contradictory results.Saturos3091
Very true. I was just lashing out because of how much I loathe partisan politics and how 'science' like this only makes things worse.

I agree that there are definite flaws with the study methodology, and that people shouldn't make too much out of it. Studies of this type are very susceptible to all sorts of problems. Really, pretty much any study that doesn't either make responses incentive compatible or use some objective measurement shouldn't be taken too seriously.

Would be curious to hear your criticisms of 'liberal economics' (not that I'm economically liberal, just curious).

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#82 Saturos3091
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I agree that there are definite flaws with the study methodology, and that people shouldn't make too much out of it. Studies of this type are very susceptible to all sorts of problems. Really, pretty much any study that doesn't either make responses incentive compatible or use some objective measurement shouldn't be taken too seriously.

Would be curious to hear your criticisms of 'liberal economics' (not that I'm economically liberal, just curious).

chessmaster1989



I should clarify that I meant liberal economics in the political sense, not the 'economic liberalism' sense. I'm not incredibly educated on economics either, but I do have some criticisms.

And I guess my problem has more to deal with the outcome of such economics.  See this article for example in which two professors argue against Laffer's curve and are in favor of raising taxes on the upper percentile. I don't disagree with their numbers or their data, but I disagree with the outcome as being a means to foster growth. Capital investment is slow in the face of technological change, right? I also disagree ideologically with the way the Fed's been acting. IE: attempting to foster job growth at the expense of inflation. And the inflation of the US dollar in regards to natural resources (oil) is only getting higher. Lending out trillions of dollars isn't really helping things. The only reason we haven't felt such an effect is because the money hasn't been spent.

I don't know if these are wholly 'liberal' issues but they're ones I certainly disagree with.

Had to watch the end of the LA/SJ game. :P 

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#83 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I agree that there are definite flaws with the study methodology, and that people shouldn't make too much out of it. Studies of this type are very susceptible to all sorts of problems. Really, pretty much any study that doesn't either make responses incentive compatible or use some objective measurement shouldn't be taken too seriously.

Would be curious to hear your criticisms of 'liberal economics' (not that I'm economically liberal, just curious).

Saturos3091



I should clarify that I meant liberal economics in the political sense, not the 'economic liberalism' sense. I'm not incredibly educated on economics either, but I do have some criticisms.

And I guess my problem has more to deal with the outcome of such economics.  See this article for example in which two professors argue against Laffer's curve and are in favor of raising taxes on the upper percentile. I don't disagree with their numbers or their data, but I disagree with the outcome as being a means to foster growth. Capital investment is slow in the face of technological change, right? I also disagree ideologically with the way the Fed's been acting. IE: attempting to foster job growth at the expense of inflation. And the inflation of the US dollar in regards to natural resources (oil) is only getting higher. Lending out trillions of dollars isn't really helping things. The only reason we haven't felt such an effect is because the money hasn't been spent.

I don't know if these are wholly 'liberal' issues but they're ones I certainly disagree with.

Had to watch the end of the LA/SJ game. :P 

Saez and Diamond are both smarter than we'll ever be. :P

I don't agree with Saez's politics, although he does generally impeccable research. Less familiar with Diamond's work.

Also a point - I don't think Saez and Diamond are arguing against the Laffer curve exactly, more like they're arguing that high-income individuals aren't very responsive to changes in the tax rate even at high levels (which doesn't say anything about the responses of low- and middle-income earners).

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#84 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Saez and Diamond are both smarter than we'll ever be. :P I don't agree with Saez's politics, although he does generally impeccable research. Less familiar with Diamond's work.

They certainly are both way beyond me in terms of economics. I just read some articles and glean what I can from them.
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#85 one_plum
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I'm no conservative, but it's a matter of perspective. Even intelligence is not one-dimensional.

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#86 wis3boi
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There's morons on both sides, it's just seemingly the conservatives area  bit more outlandish and more vocal in public

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#87 Ace6301
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I'd say there's equal amounts of idiots on both sides. I would however say the idiots on the Conservative side are given a greater voice and generally have more outlandish claims than the left idiots.
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#88 FastEddie2121
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If conservatives are idiots then what does this make liberals look like? Attorney General Eric Holder knows nothing! From last weeks hearings in regards to the DOJ's treatment of the Associated Press:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fCF_LiS4l4

I%2Bknow%2Bnothing.jpg

 

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#89 DevilMightCry
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Level 3? Check. Yep. TC is an idiot.