Conservatives - what would you think of Obama if he reduced the deficit?

Obama gave a speech today where he stated that he wants to make cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, and get rid of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. His goal is apparently $4 trillion in cuts over 12 years.

Of course, it's all talk at this point. But let's say Obama actually does implement the things he talked about and significantly reduces the deficit while he is in office. How would this affect your opinion of him?

I think they will still complain. They can't give the man a break. but I guess we on the left would be the same way too.

I give kudos to any politician that does things that I agree with. But, like you said, talk is cheap. He isn't the first president to say one thing and do the exact opposite.

my guess is it won't matter what he does. To some he will always be a socialist joker nazi born in another country.............Hitler

I'd still think he is a secret Muslim ravenhost91

The sad thing is...he could improve the country in so many ways (hypothetically speaking) and there would still be a bunch of people out there who would hate him because they don't think he's Christian.

The opposing party would NEVER praise his actionscurono

Just another lying politician making promises based on predictions of the future which have little or no chance of proving to be right.

It depends on what "cuts" he makes...

Well, honestly it wouldn't matter. He is still a politician, so I still wouldn't think much of him.

[QUOTE="curono"]The opposing party would NEVER praise his actionshorgen123

We like things that make our life better (democrats, independents, republicans alike)YellowOneKinobi

Not if it comes from the hand of THAT muslim!!!!

(just kidding...)

Just another lying politician making promises based on predictions of the future which have little or no chance of proving to be right.

collegeboy64

Maybe so, but I think it's positive that he's at least talking about deficit reduction now in more specific ways. I would be very surprised if he made a speech like this and then did absolutely nothing to the programs he mentioned, that hasn't really been charactersitic of his presidency thus far.

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Just another lying politician making promises based on predictions of the future which have little or no chance of proving to be right.

superfluidity

Maybe so, but I think it's positive that he's at least talking about deficit reduction now in more specific ways. I would be very surprised if he made a speech like this and then did absolutely nothing to the programs he mentioned, that hasn't really been charactersitic of his presidency thus far.

It won't amount to anything. The deficit will NEVER be brought under control. The proligate spending will continue because the American people are unwilling to endure the pain that it would take to truly reign in the govt.

Sorry for being so cynical but I've come to the conclusion that all politicians are charlatans and the USA has become a nation of whiny kids that want the govt to provide for their needs.

12 year plans never work, its all BS PR talk. he has no control of what the next administration and congress will do when he is out so the furthest he should be talking about is 2012, if he wins in 2012 he can talk about plans up to 2016, but anything outside of his terms have nothing to do with him. how much will he lower the deficit and/or debt this year and/or next? if he signs on to a balanced 2012 budget i would vote for him.

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[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Just another lying politician making promises based on predictions of the future which have little or no chance of proving to be right.

collegeboy64

Maybe so, but I think it's positive that he's at least talking about deficit reduction now in more specific ways. I would be very surprised if he made a speech like this and then did absolutely nothing to the programs he mentioned, that hasn't really been charactersitic of his presidency thus far.

It won't amount to anything. The deficit will NEVER be brought under control. The proligate spending will continue because the American people are unwilling to endure the pain that it would take to truly reign in the govt.

Sorry for being so cynical but I've come to the conclusion that all politicians are charlatans and the USA has become a nation of whiny kids that want the govt to provide for their needs.

So true.

You guys seem to be pretty up to date with things... How many government workers have lost their jobs during this whole economy crisis?

The deficit or the debt??? HE SHOULD BE CUTTING THE DEFICIT. IMO that is part of his 'job'.rawsavon

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[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

Maybe so, but I think it's positive that he's at least talking about deficit reduction now in more specific ways. I would be very surprised if he made a speech like this and then did absolutely nothing to the programs he mentioned, that hasn't really been charactersitic of his presidency thus far.

chasingmaynard

It won't amount to anything. The deficit will NEVER be brought under control. The proligate spending will continue because the American people are unwilling to endure the pain that it would take to truly reign in the govt.

Sorry for being so cynical but I've come to the conclusion that all politicians are charlatans and the USA has become a nation of whiny kids that want the govt to provide for their needs.

So true.

You guys seem to be pretty up to date with things... How many government workers have lost their jobs during this whole economy crisis?

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]The deficit or the debt??? HE SHOULD BE CUTTING THE DEFICIT. IMO that is part of his 'job'.surrealnumber5

12 year plans never work, its all BS PR talk. he has no control of what the next administration and congress will do when he is out so the furthest he should be talking about is 2012, if he wins in 2012 he can talk about plans up to 2016, but anything outside of his terms have nothing to do with him. how much will he lower the deficit and/or debt this year and/or next? if he signs on to a balanced 2012 budget i would vote for him.

surrealnumber5

Yeah, remember back in the late 1990s it was going to be surpluses as far as the eye could see. Then the dot com bubble burst and phhht.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]The deficit or the debt??? HE SHOULD BE CUTTING THE DEFICIT. IMO that is part of his 'job'.surrealnumber5

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[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

It won't amount to anything. The deficit will NEVER be brought under control. The proligate spending will continue because the American people are unwilling to endure the pain that it would take to truly reign in the govt.

Sorry for being so cynical but I've come to the conclusion that all politicians are charlatans and the USA has become a nation of whiny kids that want the govt to provide for their needs.

surrealnumber5

So true.

You guys seem to be pretty up to date with things... How many government workers have lost their jobs during this whole economy crisis?

What do you mean by asking, "net gain?". (please excuse my ignorance)

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]The deficit or the debt??? HE SHOULD BE CUTTING THE DEFICIT. IMO that is part of his 'job'.Serraph105

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[QUOTE="chasingmaynard"]

So true.

You guys seem to be pretty up to date with things... How many government workers have lost their jobs during this whole economy crisis?

chasingmaynard

What do you mean by asking, "net gain?". (please excuse my ignorance)

granted both sourcesare right or right leaning

Secret Kenyan Muslim plot to save the economy :xxaos

[cool graphs displaying recent rise in # of Federal employees]

surrealnumber5

Cool, thanks. Now I know what you meant by asking that.

Obama gave a speech today where he stated that he wants to make cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, and get rid of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. His goal is apparently $4 trillion in cuts over 12 years.

Of course, it's all talk at this point. But let's say Obama actually does implement the things he talked about and significantly reduces the deficit while he is in office. How would this affect your opinion of him?

superfluidity

That doesn't sound bad, as long as he does something productive without needing to take more money from the middle class I have no problem.

I have no problem with him raising taxes if its done reasonably. Many countries have higher tax rates. We need some basal level of social services and the current rates may be too low to support that. I don't know how he plans on cutting medicare and medicaid. Does he mean to provide less coverage or less services?

Same thig they wthought of Clinton, after all republican presidents = massive deficits.

Same thig they wthought of Clinton, after all republican presidents = massive deficits.

EasyStreet

To be fair, I blame that on the fact they like to go to war alot.

I don't know if this talk will translate into action, but his strategy is pretty politically savvy considering that the Ryan budget exists. That budget provides cover for Obama's entitlement cuts.

It was already proven that the removal of the Bush Tax Cuts would have enormously reduced the deficit by 2020 and the republicans shut it down because they are more interested in fighthing the other party on every single issue then actually furthering the nation in any conceivable way. They will view it as a sucess if Obama gets absolutely nothing done and is no re-elected as opposed to him getting what he wants passed and improving the nation. god i love politics

doesnt matter he is still a tipical american. we will rape your resource until its depleted then you shall not count. Until america take a long term view were ****

I just read a transcript of the Obama speech.

Man, he rippedthe Republican plan to shreds. This is the first time I've seen him ripped into Republicans this mercilessly in a long time.

If he campaigns like this, I think he will easily win re-election.

But then again, Obama does tend to to get complacent after he scores victories, which is very annoying IMO.

I don't agree with tax cuts on the very bracket most of our small business owners fall into. Increase the bracket and I'd be more willling to accept it.

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12 year plans never work, its all BS PR talk. he has no control of what the next administration and congress will do when he is out so the furthest he should be talking about is 2012, if he wins in 2012 he can talk about plans up to 2016, but anything outside of his terms have nothing to do with him. how much will he lower the deficit and/or debt this year and/or next? if he signs on to a balanced 2012 budget i would vote for him.

collegeboy64

Yeah, remember back in the late 1990s it was going to be surpluses as far as the eye could see. Then the dot com bubble burst and phhht.

I just read a transcript of the Obama speech.

Man, he rippedthe Republican plan to shreds. This is the first time I've seen him ripped into Republicans this mercilessly in a long time.

If he campaigns like this, I think he will easily win re-election.

But then again, Obama does tend to to get complacent after he scores victories, which is very annoying IMO.

GreySeal9

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I just read a transcript of the Obama speech.

Man, he rippedthe Republican plan to shreds. This is the first time I've seen him ripped into Republicans this mercilessly in a long time.

If he campaigns like this, I think he will easily win re-election.

But then again, Obama does tend to to get complacent after he scores victories, which is very annoying IMO.

Serraph105

Right now there are only snipetts of it on CNN.com and RCP anf there's nothing on YouTube right now. I'll post the full speech when I can find it.

I don't agree with tax cuts on the very bracket most of our small business owners fall into. Increase the bracket and I'd be more willling to accept it.

airshocker

I agree, I'm all for the middle class/small business owners more than everything else. I'd like to see corporations and the rich hit harder and some entitlement programs cut rather than the middle class feel the pain of either spectrum.

I agree, I'm all for the middle class/small business owners more than everything else. I'd like to see corporations and the rich hit harder and some entitlement programs cut rather than the middle class feel the pain of either spectrum.

Espada12

Small business owners have been adding the most jobs to the economy. Why---for all that is good---would we want to INCREASE their taxes?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I just read a transcript of the Obama speech.

Man, he rippedthe Republican plan to shreds. This is the first time I've seen him ripped into Republicans this mercilessly in a long time.

If he campaigns like this, I think he will easily win re-election.

But then again, Obama does tend to to get complacent after he scores victories, which is very annoying IMO.

Serraph105

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/user/whitehouse#p/u/1/xNDW6OHKqGQ

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I just read a transcript of the Obama speech.

Man, he rippedthe Republican plan to shreds. This is the first time I've seen him ripped into Republicans this mercilessly in a long time.

If he campaigns like this, I think he will easily win re-election.

But then again, Obama does tend to to get complacent after he scores victories, which is very annoying IMO.

GreySeal9

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/user/whitehouse#p/u/1/xNDW6OHKqGQ

[QUOTE="EasyStreet"]

Same thig they wthought of Clinton, after all republican presidents = massive deficits.

Espada12

To be fair, I blame that on the fact they like to go to war alot.

Since 1901 Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Harry Truman, JFK and Lyndon B. Johnson and now Obama share one thing with G. W. Bush. They are all Democrats who have sent men to war. Even Clinton sent armed forces into harms way. Kinda blows your hypothesis out of the water.