Cops kill wrong man after knocking on wrong door

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]

Haven't read the article or post, but honestly, that is a really funny thread title. I mean, I'm not sure I could ask for more, from the cops I mean.

Walking pieces of dense, misaligned, male protoplasm who are lost in their sense of masculinity and power.

gmaster456

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Speaking of which - if a civilian knocked on a door at a similar time and ended up shooting the homeowner for the same reason, would the civilian be arrested?Slashless

Of course.

He'd have a hard time explaining why the hell he brought a gun to the house in the first place.

The cops should have identified themselves, but at the same time the man is an idiot.

Seriously, who the **** just answers a door with a gun? As a sane person it seems to me you at LEAST ask "who's there" first, and then if you don't get a proper response you DON'T OPEN THE DAMN DOOR!

Really hard to feel bad for someone who's way of handling the situation was so damn stupid....

LostProphetFLCL

It's 1:00 in the morning.

The police aren't politely knocking, they were banging.

Try having a clear train of thought with that.

When I was a young teenager (like 13 or something) I was home alone one night when my two dogs started freaking the **** out trying to claw their way under our breezeway door. I was terrified someone might be trying to break in.

You know what I did? I grabbed a knife and got the **** away from said door. The LAST thing I would have done was open the damn door.

Seriously, I for the life of me cannot understand someones thought process who when afraid someone might be trying to break in and potentially harm them, they would react by OPENING THE DAMN DOOR WHERE THE INTRUDER WAS POUNDING ON! I can understand grabbing the gun, but opening the door without even asking who is there? If it had been someone just trying to rob the place just making your presence known before they even got in the door would make the vast majority of robbers run right there, and then letting said robbers know you were armed would make the rest leave...

Like I said, the cops most certainly should have identified themselves, but this man still very much made the situation that much worse and no I will never blame an officer for shooting when having a freaking gun pointed at them ESPECIALLY when going after a suspect believed to be dangerous...

what a huge ****up for the police but also what a terrible way to open the door at 1:30 a.m. even if you think it's a criminal.

at worst i would have turned the knob and expected the door to be kicked in and at best they would have been confused and slowed by my Consuela impression giving me time to decide to raise the gun.

Why are cops so f***in' dumb?

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

The bottom line is, you point a gun at a deputy sheriff or police office, you're going to get shot," Herrell said.

JML897

Holy sh*t

But how was the victim supposed to know it was the police? This falls completely on the officers for not doing their homework.

If that guy hadn't been the owner of a gun, he'd be alive...SolidSnake35

I believe there are some good cops out there. I just haven't met any of them yet.

[QUOTE="Slashless"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

Of course.

He'd have a hard time explaining why the hell he brought a gun to the house in the first place.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

The cops should have identified themselves, but at the same time the man is an idiot.

Seriously, who the **** just answers a door with a gun? As a sane person it seems to me you at LEAST ask "who's there" first, and then if you don't get a proper response you DON'T OPEN THE DAMN DOOR!

Really hard to feel bad for someone who's way of handling the situation was so damn stupid....

LostProphetFLCL

It's 1:00 in the morning.

The police aren't politely knocking, they were banging.

Try having a clear train of thought with that.

When I was a young teenager (like 13 or something) I was home alone one night when my two dogs started freaking the **** out trying to claw their way under our breezeway door. I was terrified someone might be trying to break in.

You know what I did? I grabbed a knife and got the **** away from said door. The LAST thing I would have done was open the damn door.

Seriously, I for the life of me cannot understand someones thought process who when afraid someone might be trying to break in and potentially harm them, they would react by OPENING THE DAMN DOOR WHERE THE INTRUDER WAS POUNDING ON! I can understand grabbing the gun, but opening the door without even asking who is there? If it had been someone just trying to rob the place just making your presence known before they even got in the door would make the vast majority of robbers run right there, and then letting said robbers know you were armed would make the rest leave...

Like I said, the cops most certainly should have identified themselves, but this man still very much made the situation that much worse and no I will never blame an officer for shooting when having a freaking gun pointed at them ESPECIALLY when going after a suspect believed to be dangerous...

Fight or flight.

You flew, he fought.

When I was living in stockton, california (one of the worst cities in america) one night at about 2:30am someone started pounding on my apartment door. I ran to the door and yelled through the door that I was getting a gun and they had seconds to get the F*** away before there was a problem, some woman yelled back "let me in!" didn't identify herself or why I needed to let her in and then when I told her my gun was ready and if she tried to bust in I would shoot her, she stopped banging on the door and left.

I don't have a gun. But I waited by the door for over an hour after calling the police (who never showed up btw) with a bat just in case she returned.

The reason that was troubling: In stockton there is a common gimmick to get people out of their houses by using bait to get them out very very late at night. Usually with a woman or child and a few gang bangers waiting just out of sight for the door to be opened, a lot of the b&e there, people do not survive, but some do and all report a very similar story, someone banging on the door, when they look out of the keyhole and see a woman or child, they open the door and they get rushed, robbed, beaten or worse.

This guy was probably expecting a similar ruse. If I had a gun, I would have opened the door with the gun pointed and ready, instead of waiting by the door for police that would never ever show up.

please don't group florida with the other southern states please.

we central and southern floridians do our best to distance ourselves from northern florida and the rest of the south. i think youll find a good chunk of florida (not the majority sadly) is full of level headed and progressive. heck even the northerners aren't as bad as the rest of the south

They would shoot and kill an attempted murder SUSPECT? That's the first problem.

The second problem is that they robbed an innocent man of his life. Some kind of action should be taken I think.

They would shoot and kill an attempted murder SUSPECT? That's the first problem.

The second problem is that they robbed an innocent man of his life. Some kind of action should be taken I think.

J-man45

What moron opens a door pointing a gun at the other person? That's the most idiotic thing I've heard of. Toxic-Seahorse

I'm ashamed to live in this moronic state.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]What moron opens a door pointing a gun at the other person? That's the most idiotic thing I've heard of. Inconsistancy

I'm ashamed to live in this moronic state.

at least your not living in any other southern state.

compared to them florida might as well be california.

LAKE COUNTY, Fla. -

Lake County Sheriff's Office deputies shot and killed a man they assumed was an attempted murder suspect on Sunday, but they now know they shot the wrong man.

In the early-morning hours, deputies knocked on 26-year-old Andrew Lee Scott's door without identifying themselves as law enforcement officers. Scott answered the door with a gun in his hand.

"When we knocked on the door, the door opened and the occupant of that apartment was pointing a gun at deputies, and that's when we opened fire and killed him," Lt. John Herrell said. "Even though this subject is not the one we were looking for when he opened the door. He was pointing the gun at the deputy and if you put yourselves in the deputy's shoes. They were there to pick up someone who was wanted for an attempted homicide."

Officials said the deputies did not identify themselves because of safety reasons.

Deputies thought they were confronting Jonathan Brown, a man accused of attempted murder. Brown was spotted at the Blueberry Hills Apartment complex and his motorcycle was parked across from Andrew Scott's front door.

"It's just a bizarre set of circumstances. The bottom line is, you point a gun at a deputy sheriff or police office, you're going to get shot," Herrell said.

Residents said the unannounced knock at the door at 1:30 a.m. may be the reason why the tragedy happened.

Read more:http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/Deputies-shoot-kill-man-after-knocking-on-wrong-door/-/11788162/15527202/-/euk6tg/-/index.html#ixzz20prHPZVP

Just read about this, sounds like an overly tragic accident that occurred in the heat of the moment. But I find it shocking that such an incident can occur due to 'safety reasons' - I'm sure any homeowner would take defensive measures against banging on the door at 1:30am and being a gun owner he was well within his rights to have it in self-defence.

All very well to say that he shouldn't be pointing at law enforcement, but considering the time and the fact that no identification occured I don't think the victim was truly at fault, poor guy was probably terrified.

If one of the primary reasons for knocking on his door was a suspect's motorcycle across the street, then there's definitely something gone wrong in terms of intelligence or planning - officers should've identified themselves regardless of the assumed occupant.

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Just read about this, sounds like an overly tragic accident that occurred in the heat of the moment. But I find it shocking that such an incident can occur due to 'safety reasons' - I'm sure any homeowner would take defensive measures against banging on the door at 1:30am and being a gun owner he was well within his rights to have it in self-defence.

All very well to say that he shouldn't be pointing at law enforcement, but considering the time and the fact that no identification occured I don't think the victim was truly at fault, poor guy was probably terrified.

If one of the primary reasons for knocking on his door was a suspect's motorcycle across the street, then there's definitely something gone wrong in terms of intelligence or planning - officers should've identified themselves regardless of the assumed occupant.

DigitalExile

Alright, it's the middle of the night, and your door is being pounded on. Your an innocent man and the last thing you expect is the Police. Why wouldn't you grab your gun? It was a moronic decision to do a no-knock at 1:30 in the morning anyway. gmaster456

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] They were banging on his door at 1:30 in the morning. No sane person would open the door without a weapon in hand. I know i wouldn't. Ravensmash

[QUOTE="dragonball3900"]The man is an idiot for answering the door with the gun ready and aimed right at them. What did the guy expect? A full gang attack? Ravensmash

This sounds kind of fishy. The guy hears banging on the door... and just opens it? He doesn't ask who it is? Also, if you open a door with a gun pointing out, you expect people to not take you seriously?

In this situation, I dont feel badly for anyone. Cops found the wrong guy... but he opens the door with a gun pointed?? What stupidity on all fronts.

-1 for law enforcement, and the civilian public.

If he was scared enough for his safety that he needed the gun, then why the **** did he bother opening up the door in the first place? Any way you cut it, he would have been fart safer NOT OPENING THE DOOR.MrGeezer

Tired, irrational, angry? He may have just wanted to scare off whoever was bothering him, w/o any intent on firing the gun.

This sounds kind of fishy. The guy hears banging on the door... and just opens it? He doesn't ask who it is? Also, if you open a door with a gun pointing out, you expect people to not take you seriously?

In this situation, I dont feel badly for anyone. Cops found the wrong guy... but he opens the door with a gun pointed?? What stupidity on all fronts.

-1 for law enforcement, and the civilian public.

Shmiity

lol.

I just love it when people go on about "HE/she SHOULD'VE DONE THIS" in situations like this.

Let some random person bang on your door at 1 in the morning, I'm sure you'll have the best train of thought.

Slashless

What's this? An innocent person gunned down by police? Looks like this is a job for

CAAAAAPTAIN HINDSIGHT!!!

The cops should have identified themselves

Then they could have prevented the mans death

Then the man would still be alive

My job here is done, Captain Hindsight awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]Alright, it's the middle of the night, and your door is being pounded on. Your an innocent man and the last thing you expect is the Police. Why wouldn't you grab your gun? It was a moronic decision to do a no-knock at 1:30 in the morning anyway. l4dak47

Why would you even open the door in the 1st place? The reasonable thing to do is ask "who's there" and simply don't open if you feel you're in danger. Opening the door while pointing a gun is the last thing to do, it's asking for trouble. Of course the police officers should've identified themselves, so it's partially their fault as well.

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] They were banging on his door at 1:30 in the morning. No sane person would open the door without a weapon in hand. I know i wouldn't. l4dak47

So he should've simply kept the door closed, problem solved.

Why would you even open the door in the 1st place? The reasonable thing to do is ask "who's there" and simply don't open if you feel you're in danger. Opening the door while pointing a gun is the last thing to do, it's asking for trouble. Of course the police officers should've identified themselves, so it's partially their fault as well.

nunovlopes

Where does the article, or video, say that he didn't? They didn't identify themselves as police for "safety" concerns, as if the criminal would be expecting anything 'but' the police to chase them immediately after an attempted murder.

And considering the guy was in a neighborhood where an attempted murderer may have lived, at least fled to, maybe he knew the area to have violence issues?

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Why would you even open the door in the 1st place? The reasonable thing to do is ask "who's there" and simply don't open if you feel you're in danger. Opening the door while pointing a gun is the last thing to do, it's asking for trouble. Of course the police officers should've identified themselves, so it's partially their fault as well.

Inconsistancy

Where does the article, or video, say that he didn't? They didn't identify themselves as police for "safety" concerns, as if the criminal would be expecting anything 'but' the police to chase them immediately after an attempted murder.

And considering the guy was in a neighborhood where an attempted murderer may have lived, at least fled to, maybe he knew the area to have violence issues?

What part of "DON'T OPEN THE DOOR IF YOU FEEL YOU'RE IN DANGER" don't you understand? If I don't trust who's knocking at my door and I feel I'm in danger, I simply don't open the door, period, no ifs, no buts.

Only gun crazy people think it's a good idea to open the door pointing a gun. Why open the door in the 1st place?

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Why would you even open the door in the 1st place? The reasonable thing to do is ask "who's there" and simply don't open if you feel you're in danger. Opening the door while pointing a gun is the last thing to do, it's asking for trouble. Of course the police officers should've identified themselves, so it's partially their fault as well.

nunovlopes

Where does the article, or video, say that he didn't? They didn't identify themselves as police for "safety" concerns, as if the criminal would be expecting anything 'but' the police to chase them immediately after an attempted murder.

And considering the guy was in a neighborhood where an attempted murderer may have lived, at least fled to, maybe he knew the area to have violence issues?

What part of "DON'T OPEN THE DOOR IF YOU FEEL YOU'RE IN DANGER" don't you understand? If I don't trust who's knocking at my door and I feel I'm in danger, I simply don't open the door, period, no ifs, no buts.

Only gun crazy people think it's a good idea to open the door pointing a gun. Why open the door in the 1st place?

If someone was banging loudly on my door at 1:00 AM, my first thought certainly wouldn't be to open the door, or even get near it. I'd probably stay AWAY from the door as to not get near the potential danger and grab a weapon or something to defend myself with just the situation gets worse and they break in or something.Ultimately the cops f*cked up horribly and should have handled things much better, and should be punished for their awful mistake. That being said the victim hardly handled things much better.

If someone was banging loudly on my door at 1:00 AM, my first thought certainly wouldn't be to open the door, or even get near it. I'd probably stay AWAY from the door as to not get near the potential danger and grab a weapon or something to defend myself with just the situation gets worse and they break in or something.Ultimately the cops f*cked up horribly and should have handled things much better, and should be punished for their awful mistake. That being said the victim hardly handled things much better.

DJ-Lafleur

What part of "DON'T OPEN THE DOOR IF YOU FEEL YOU'RE IN DANGER" don't you understand? If I don't trust who's knocking at my door and I feel I'm in danger, I simply don't open the door, period, no ifs, no buts.

Only gun crazy people think it's a good idea to open the door pointing a gun. Why open the door in the 1st place?

nunovlopes

Uhh, you're acting like 'I' opened the door, can't really know what was going through his head at that moment, how clearly he was thinking... You made the assumption that he didn't ask "who's there", when that's not mentioned in the video/article.

And I'm no gun crazy idiot, I hate guns, I don't intend on ever owning one, and I think obtaining a gun legally is far too easy in this nation.

So has the question been asked yet? who was he waiting too shoot incase someone knocked on the door? I know I certainly don't answer the door even at 1:30 am with a gun....So he had to have....

1.Had mental problems.
2.been waiting for someone.

So has the question been asked yet? who was he waiting too shoot incase someone knocked on the door? I know I certainly don't answer the door even at 1:30 am with a gun....So he had to have....

1.Had mental problems.
2.been waiting for someone.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="Slashless"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

It's 1:00 in the morning.

The police aren't politely knocking, they were banging.

Try having a clear train of thought with that.

GummiRaccoon

When I was a young teenager (like 13 or something) I was home alone one night when my two dogs started freaking the **** out trying to claw their way under our breezeway door. I was terrified someone might be trying to break in.

You know what I did? I grabbed a knife and got the **** away from said door. The LAST thing I would have done was open the damn door.

Seriously, I for the life of me cannot understand someones thought process who when afraid someone might be trying to break in and potentially harm them, they would react by OPENING THE DAMN DOOR WHERE THE INTRUDER WAS POUNDING ON! I can understand grabbing the gun, but opening the door without even asking who is there? If it had been someone just trying to rob the place just making your presence known before they even got in the door would make the vast majority of robbers run right there, and then letting said robbers know you were armed would make the rest leave...

Like I said, the cops most certainly should have identified themselves, but this man still very much made the situation that much worse and no I will never blame an officer for shooting when having a freaking gun pointed at them ESPECIALLY when going after a suspect believed to be dangerous...

Fight or flight.

You flew, he fought.

When I was living in stockton, california (one of the worst cities in america) one night at about 2:30am someone started pounding on my apartment door. I ran to the door and yelled through the door that I was getting a gun and they had seconds to get the F*** away before there was a problem, some woman yelled back "let me in!" didn't identify herself or why I needed to let her in and then when I told her my gun was ready and if she tried to bust in I would shoot her, she stopped banging on the door and left.

I don't have a gun. But I waited by the door for over an hour after calling the police (who never showed up btw) with a bat just in case she returned.

The reason that was troubling: In stockton there is a common gimmick to get people out of their houses by using bait to get them out very very late at night. Usually with a woman or child and a few gang bangers waiting just out of sight for the door to be opened, a lot of the b&e there, people do not survive, but some do and all report a very similar story, someone banging on the door, when they look out of the keyhole and see a woman or child, they open the door and they get rushed, robbed, beaten or worse.

This guy was probably expecting a similar ruse. If I had a gun, I would have opened the door with the gun pointed and ready, instead of waiting by the door for police that would never ever show up.

See this isn't even a fight or flight situation though. No one had been threatening the man yet. He was safe in his apartment and he LET DANGER IN!

Seriously, there is absolutely no justification for this man just opening the door to wave a gun around. If he was so worried he was in danger the LAST thing he needed to be doing was opening the damn door.

The way you handled the situation you were in is EXACTLY how this man should have handled his. Your "what if" scenario is just stupid because now you are just creating trouble like this man did,..

I don't blame the deputies at all, sorry. You don't answer the door with a gun when the cops come knocking.....if you are stupid enough to do so you deserve to be shot.

I don't blame the deputies at all, sorry. You don't answer the door with a gun when the cops come knocking.....if you are stupid enough to do so you deserve to be shot.

SuperKaio-ken

"It's just a bizarre set of circumstances. The bottom line is, you point a gun at a deputy sheriff or police office, you're going to get shot," Herrell said.

Yeah, the police force is the best.....

They were banging on his door at 1:30 in the morning. No sane person would open the door without a weapon in hand. I know i wouldn't. l4dak47

You know what guys, maybe rural Ireland isn't so bad At least I don't have to worry about crazy sh!t like this happening to meSteverXIII

Victim blaming is a pretty sad thing.Aljosa23

So is self-victimizing a person who was stupid enough to answer a door at police with a pointed weapon when they simply could have looked out their window or called out "who was there" if they really believed they were in danger

[QUOTE="SuperKaio-ken"]

I don't blame the deputies at all, sorry. You don't answer the door with a gun when the cops come knocking.....if you are stupid enough to do so you deserve to be shot.

Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="SuperKaio-ken"]

I don't blame the deputies at all, sorry. You don't answer the door with a gun when the cops come knocking.....if you are stupid enough to do so you deserve to be shot.

SuperKaio-ken

[QUOTE="SuperKaio-ken"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] They failed to identify themselves as cops, can you not read?Inconsistancy

There is a Knock Knock joke in here somewhere, I just can't think of it. But I can start it off.

Knock! Knock!

There is a Knock Knock joke in here somewhere, I just can't think of it. But I can start it off.

Knock! Knock!

tenaka2

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

There is a Knock Knock joke in here somewhere, I just can't think of it. But I can start it off.

Knock! Knock!

Sajo7