could it be possible we're being held back as humans by people with interests?

Lets say for instance,......

Do you suppose we know how to run cars on water but wont because to much interests lie within being 'Loyal to Oil'?
Do you suppose there is a way to provide free engery, like Nikola Tesla suggested(i think...) before he and his ideas were shunned?
Could there be cures to all the 'incurable' diseases floating around, but wont publicize them because a lot of interest in medical field?
Do you suppose 'they' know the truth about religion, but need the people of earth to pull themselves apart by fighting over which god is righteous to keep eyes off of the culprits?

or is the tinfoil hat on a little bit to tight?

Lets say for instance,......

Do you suppose we know how to run cars on water but wont because to much interests lie within being 'Loyal to Oil'?

Yes, I work for said companies...it is very possible

Do you suppose there is a way to provide free engery, like Nikola Tesla suggested(i think...) before he and his ideas were shunned?

Yes, see the sun and the wind

Could there be cures to all the 'incurable' diseases floating around, but wont publicize them because a lot of interest in medical field?

Yes, ask BianceDK...she has some good info

Do you suppose 'they' know the truth about religion, but need the people of earth to pull themselves apart by fighting over which god is righteous to keep eyes off of the culprits?

No...no one knows anything for certain...part of the fun of life IMO

or is the tinfoil hat on a little bit to tight?

Only with the last remark...the rest are spot on

_R34LiTY_

Yes, the betterment of the human race is being held back by selfish greed.

Yes, the betterment of the human race is being held back by selfish greed.

Assassin1349

Oh certainly. I don't believe dependence on oil will be done with untill literally no oil remains. Because oil companies have a stranglehold on governments, and they obviously don't want to go out of buisness.

I'm sure a cure for aids could of been found now or has been, but is kept underwraps because there is FAR more money in treatment. not curing.

As for the truth of religion...no one can "know", really. So....I can't say I believe that one. I do not believe scientists have secretly discovered what happens when you die.

I also believe UFO's have visited and the government keeps it under wraps to prevent wide spread panic.

No.xaos

my tinfoil hat is not on to tight?

No.xaos

Yes. The Templars.

The Templars are holding back humanity so they can continue their quest for the Pieces of Eden unabated by the public. The Moon Landing, WWI, Nicola Tesla; all were Templar plots in their ever-continuing quest to take over the world in 2012.

We must be vigilant and pray for the Assassins' success.

Nullo e reale, tutto e permesso.

[QUOTE="xaos"]No.LJS9502_basic

I definitely believe that our governments have the capacity to find and approve cures to cancer, HIV, AIDS and other diseases. As mentioned though, there is far more money invested in insurance and treatment companies with returning clients. If patients are cured, treatment is a one-stop-shop, and the need for treatment disappears, killing all of the Chemo companies, and whatever is used to treat HIV/AIDS.

I don't know about the others, but obviously we can't say for sure right now.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="xaos"]No.rawsavon

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] They could be profitable...but maybe not AS profitable as the current structure. Also, people in power fear change and strive to maintain the status quo Alternative fuels and other energy sources (the sun and wind) lack the economies of scale afforded to the petroleum, coal, and natural gas industries -those in power are doing just enough so that they will maintain their spot when the inevitable switch occursrawsavon

That was definetly one of the more interesting reads I've read in any forum. I don't know if it's true, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Doesn't matter. Someone who isn't involved in the status quo has nothing to lose by researching. Your premise assumes it's the people that are currently involved in specific fields. That is not necessary.LJS9502_basic

Grants do not create an industry... -you and i both know how much of a change we are talking about...would be similar to converting every house to a new material I agree no water But there are much better options -we (my company) have trucks that run on natural gas (very easy to convert them) -this would free us from our dependence on oil -would create a natural gas shortage (heating) that could be solved with wind/solar energy T. Boone Pickens' group estimates there is enough wind energy available in the middle of the country to power the nationrawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Grants do not create an industry... -you and i both know how much of a change we are talking about...would be similar to converting every house to a new material I agree no water But there are much better options -we (my company) have trucks that run on natural gas (very easy to convert them) -this would free us from our dependence on oil -would create a natural gas shortage (heating) that could be solved with wind/solar energy T. Boone Pickens' group estimates there is enough wind energy available in the middle of the country to power the nationLJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Grants do not create an industry... -you and i both know how much of a change we are talking about...would be similar to converting every house to a new material I agree no water But there are much better options -we (my company) have trucks that run on natural gas (very easy to convert them) -this would free us from our dependence on oil -would create a natural gas shortage (heating) that could be solved with wind/solar energy T. Boone Pickens' group estimates there is enough wind energy available in the middle of the country to power the nationLJS9502_basic

I don't understand this topic. How would a lot of interest in the medical field prevent the cures to the "incurable" diseases from becoming public?Vuurk

much mopre money keeping the patient at your reach with continuous visits which means more money for insurance companuies and medical field..cause curing them would be a one shot deal,,,get it over with,...'they' gained nothing.

Yes. The Templars.

The Templars are holding back humanity so they can continue their quest for the Pieces of Eden unabated by the public. The Moon Landing, WWI, Nicola Tesla; all were Templar plots in their ever-continuing quest to take over the world in 2012.

We must be vigilant and pray for the Assassins' success.

Nullo e reale, tutto e permesso.

Theokhoth

do you mean?

Niente è vero, tutto è permesso

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Yes. The Templars.

The Templars are holding back humanity so they can continue their quest for the Pieces of Eden unabated by the public. The Moon Landing, WWI, Nicola Tesla; all were Templar plots in their ever-continuing quest to take over the world in 2012.

We must be vigilant and pray for the Assassins' success.

Nullo e reale, tutto e permesso.

_R34LiTY_

do you mean?

Niente è vero, tutto è permesso

No I don't.

My guess it that this will devolve into a philosophical/political debate centered on big business vs ideas...likely to end up being circular and frustrating. -so I will leave that part be As for the specifics... Wind energy would be set up in the middle of the country...turbine 'farms' -just like there does not need to be a natural gas plant in every town or oil platforms off every coast---just transport the energy So our main source would be wind (easiest, most cost effective) with solar backup rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] My guess it that this will devolve into a philosophical/political debate centered on big business vs ideas...likely to end up being circular and frustrating. -so I will leave that part be As for the specifics... Wind energy would be set up in the middle of the country...turbine 'farms' -just like there does not need to be a natural gas plant in every town or oil platforms off every coast---just transport the energy So our main source would be wind (easiest, most cost effective) with solar backup LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] My guess it that this will devolve into a philosophical/political debate centered on big business vs ideas...likely to end up being circular and frustrating. -so I will leave that part be As for the specifics... Wind energy would be set up in the middle of the country...turbine 'farms' -just like there does not need to be a natural gas plant in every town or oil platforms off every coast---just transport the energy So our main source would be wind (easiest, most cost effective) with solar backup rawsavon

Well it can be natural....it can be synthetic. It needs to be done. Oil will not last forever. And frankly a product with competition would be more beneficial to society.LJS9502_basic

i think there are probably a lot more effective ways of dealing with illnesses, but the medicine companies want people to keep spending money on their products so they don't do it as effectively as they could.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well it can be natural....it can be synthetic. It needs to be done. Oil will not last forever. And frankly a product with competition would be more beneficial to society.Doctor-McNinja

Lets say for instance,......

Do you suppose we know how to run cars on water but wont because to much interests lie within being 'Loyal to Oil'?

I wouldn't go as far as running on water but if other methods were mass produced they definately could be more energy efficient.

Do you suppose there is a way to provide free engery, like Nikola Tesla suggested(i think...) before he and his ideas were shunned?

There's no such thing as free energy however we may be able to get power from natural sources ie the wind, solar and as Tesla suggested ether. However for the meantime i think nuclear is the only viable way of producing power on a large enough scale.

Could there be cures to all the 'incurable' diseases floating around, but wont publicize them because a lot of interest in medical field?

There won't be cures just floating around not being sold. However there's a good chance that some diseases could have cures but don't due to commercial intrests ie the common cold.

Do you suppose 'they' know the truth about religion, but need the people of earth to pull themselves apart by fighting over which god is righteous to keep eyes off of the culprits?

It's an interesting way of thinking but i doubt it. If gods are all powerful they could easily cover up their mistakes then wipe our memories. It's more likely that they just don't really care about the mortal relm, we're just a toy to them, sometimes they're nice sometimes they're evill and alot of the time they're just not paying attention and are much more concerned with the goings on between the gods.

_R34LiTY_

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well it can be natural....it can be synthetic. It needs to be done. Oil will not last forever. And frankly a product with competition would be more beneficial to society.Doctor-McNinja

Government can't manage anything successfully. Competition creates lower prices. Government is not lower prices. And considering I work for the state in retail....I can tell you the prices are not lower with all the tax they put on.LJS9502_basic

could it be possible that religious and political topics are redundant and useless? :oMacLumberjack

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Government can't manage anything successfully. Competition creates lower prices. Government is not lower prices. And considering I work for the state in retail....I can tell you the prices are not lower with all the tax they put on.Doctor-McNinja

Seems a little far-fetched, but so does every conspiracy theory. Personally, I draw conclusions from proof, not assumptions. If somebody actually developed the cure for cancer, or AIDS, that'd be a ridiculous reason to keep it from the public....or maybe the manufacturers of said cure were scared by the premise of "I Am Legend"....either way, can't agree with ya TC.

*Makes a tinfoil hat* All of these are frighteningly possible

[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Government can't manage anything successfully. Competition creates lower prices. Government is not lower prices. And considering I work for the state in retail....I can tell you the prices are not lower with all the tax they put on.LJS9502_basic

LJS, that is assuming that there's not a monopoly, partial or otherwise. If there is one dominant gasoline/petrol industry, the industry (the Middle East) can force up the prices as much as they want to. I'm not an expert in the field, but from what I understand, that's what caused gasoline to go up in price from $1.50/gallon to roughly $5.00/gallon in under four years. When you consider that we could fill up a truck for $20, and that price skyrockets to almost $70, that sounds more threatening.

Also, wind farms centered in one region of the US don't sound feasible either. Even if they stretch from North to South, the danger it presents if there is an attack on the farm is incredible. One would be a fool to center energy production in one region or one one type of energy. There needs to be variation. Clean variation, but variation nonetheless.

[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Government can't manage anything successfully. Competition creates lower prices. Government is not lower prices. And considering I work for the state in retail....I can tell you the prices are not lower with all the tax they put on.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"] I dunno, the government used to provide power in Britain until the 80s when they sold off everything to private companies, and prices have gone up and up and up since then. TirOrn

LJS, that is assuming that there's not a monopoly, partial or otherwise. If there is one dominant gasoline/petrol industry, the industry (the Middle East) can force up the prices as much as they want to. I'm not an expert in the field, but from what I understand, that's what caused gasoline to go up in price from $1.50/gallon to roughly $5.00/gallon in under four years. When you consider that we could fill up a truck for $20, and that price skyrockets to almost $70, that sounds more threatening.

Also, wind farms centered in one region of the US don't sound feasible either. Even if they stretch from North to South, the danger it presents if there is an attack on the farm is incredible. One would be a fool to center energy production in one region or one one type of energy. There needs to be variation. Clean variation, but variation nonetheless.

could it be possible that religious and political topics are redundant and useless? :oMacLumberjack

I don't think this is a religious or political topic.

So...cool story, bro!

[QUOTE="xaos"]No._R34LiTY_

my tinfoil hat is not on to tight?

i dont know but i fracking hate your sig

For the first three: it's very cut, dry, and naive to say that it is so simple. If something is feasible enough, the technology is there, and the market is there, it will not be held back in the long term. Big companies in decreasingly relevant industries, no matter how powerful they are, will eventually become obsolete. If you want a prime example, look at buggy whip companies and their inability to stop the automobile manufacturers from overtaking them. I don't doubt that large companies are generally conservative and do not want to change or be made obsolete (especially when they are very, very profitable and in danger of becoming obsolete), but if the economics, game plan, and opportunities are there, there's nothing stopping new firms from coming in and trying something new. I would say for example that the alternative energy dilemma is much less of the oil cartels and the like holding everyone back as it is that that costs are still too high, there are many design and engineering challenges, and there is disagreement over exactly what should be done. It's the same thing for Tesla's "free energy" idea, although I even doubt that concept would really work at all anyway, and for medicine / disease cures.

For the fourth point: no comment.