Could the Enterprise successfully launch an assault on the Death Star?

Perhaps. The Enterprise would have to wait for a good opportunity, such as the Death Star being within close proximity to a planet... and then use antimatter to create a black hole, and hope that the Death Star will be incapable of escaping its pull. Granted, such tactics would require a good amount of planning, and having spies within the ranks of the Empire... and luck.

Though, perhaps not... as the historical documentary Star Wars tells us, only Mr. Skywalker piloting an Incom T-65 X-wing is capable of defeating the Death Star...

The only race from Star Trek that I can see doing anything to the Death Star is the Romulans: cloak, sneak in, torpedo the vent, warp out before the explosion.

The Enterprise would be a sitting duck.

OrkHammer007

and the klingon too. bout either would propbably fail in getting the death star wars plans

TheShadowLord07

Or even being able to analyze them. If I gave Leonardo DaVinci the complete specifications to an F-16, he wouldn't be able to find a weakness in the aircraft. Technology in Star Wars has matured in a galactic-scale civilization over tens of thousands of years. It's vastly more advanced than Star Trek's vision of Earth 300 years from now.

The Death star can destroy planets, i havn't seen much Trek but im guessing it can't

A Galaxy Class starship like Enterprise D would annihilate the entire Star Wars universe by itself before Picard could say Tea, Earl Gray, Hot.

It is matter of the lore of both series. While the space battles and whatnot are fun in Star Wars, the technology employed is several hundred years old compared to that in the Star Trek universe.

Star Wars primarly uses laser based technology. Laser cannons. Blasters. Ion cannons. The heaviest weapons are Proton torpedos with a baradium main charge (nuclear reaction based). Shields are designed to defend against these threats, Death Star is equipped with a huge baradium cannon.

All very impressive in a fight against other folks with the same technology, but completely worthless in a fight in the Star Trek universe.

In Star Trek, laser weapons are ancient and have been replaced with phaser based weaponry. Enterprise encounters an entire fleet of laser based aliens who are unable to do anything to Enterprises shields. Contrast that with Star Wars where not only do they still use laser technology but they also highlight that you have to get in close because their laser cannons have only a short range :lol:

Star Wars laser rifles, blasters and so on can kill you dead in one shot.:( Star Trek handheld phasers literally disintegrate you.:lol: On wide beam they can disintegrate a 50 ft wide path of matter.:twisted:

Speaking of matter, photon torpedos in Star Trek are shielded weapons with an anti-matter/matter main charge. An anti-matter/matter reaction makes a Star Wars baradium based nuclear reaction look like a cap gun.:shock: That shouldn't be surprising since in thelore of Star Trek they abandoned nuclear reaction weapons long agoin favour of the much more power anti-matter/matter reaction.

Enterprise D has 10 main phaser banks and 5 torpedo tubes with a minimum 250 torpedos on hand. A single main phaser on low setting was capable of boring holes into a planets core. On full power a sustained burst from Enterprises' phasers are said to be capable of destroying an entire continent or a small planet. On Voyager, a single up yielded photon torpedo is said to do the same. In Star Trek you don't need a huge Death Star to do what a single starship can do many times over.:P

The best Star Wars weapon in their lore is actually the Galaxy Gun which uses a more advanced particle disintegrator warhead to destroy planets. Sadly, this too uses a relatively ancient nuclear reaction technology to do its job.

For the TL; DR

Lets see. Death Star. Large slow target. Employs ancient laser based defenses and shielding. Uses a primary main cannon that takes 3 minutes to reload utilizing a nuclear reaction charge VS much more advanced phaser technology and torpedos that use anti-matter/matter reactions. Ummmm, no just no.

Star Trek: 1

Star Wars: :cry:

I'm not sure if you're being serious, SUD, so if you're joking, ignore the rest of my post.

Star Wars primarly uses laser based technology. Laser cannons. Blasters. Ion cannons. The heaviest weapons are Proton torpedos with a baradium main charge (nuclear reaction based). Shields are designed to defend against these threats, Death Star is equipped with a huge baradium cannon.

SUD123456

Oh, God... Laser-based technology, huh? Let me guess, because it has "laser" in the name, then it must be identical to the sort of lasers we use today, right? Well, no, not at all.

Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser

Now go watch the opening of Star Wars. You see nothing like that.

What's a baradium cannon?

In Star Trek, laser weapons are ancient and have been replaced with phaser based weaponry.

SUD123456

300 years old is "ancient"? Are you a former Voyager staff writer by any chance?

Star Trek handheld phasers literally disintegrate you.:lol: On wide beam they can disintegrate a 50 ft wide path of matter.:twisted:

SUD123456

Oh they can? In which episode did we see that?

Speaking of matter, photon torpedos in Star Trek are shielded weapons with an anti-matter/matter main charge. An anti-matter/matter reaction makes a Star Wars baradium based nuclear reaction look like a cap gun.

SUD123456

Didn't you just say that the Death Star had a baradium weapon (whatever that is)? Please point me to the episode where the Enterprise demonstrates even a tiny fraction of the firepower necessary to destroy a planet.

Different question: Who would win? The Q continuum or the Star Wars galaxy (including force users)?

Not a chance. Especially if the Empire put some plywood over that hole on the exterior. In The Next Generation movie Enterprise just barely defeated one single ship, and it was a fraction of the size and didn't have hundred of fighter craft and bomber squads in it's hangar bays, and had a fraction of the firepower. Not to mention all thousands of Star Destroyers in the galaxy that can hyperspace to the Death Star on a moment's notice.

No. The Enterprise is big. The Death Star's guns would blow it to pieces the second it got close.

Palantas

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

No. The Enterprise is big. The Death Star's guns would blow it to pieces the second it got close.

Human-after-all

What's your evidence for any of these claims? Why would turbolasers be "shrugged off" by deflectors? And your claim about quantum torpedos seems rather laughable when compared with a civilization that built a weapons system capable of destroying a planet. You have seen both The Next Generation and Star Wars, yes? If so, please point me to the episode where a quantum torpedo violently scatters a planet's mass.

Considering it was blowing ships up left and right in one shot in Return, i don't think Enterprise would have a chance.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

No. The Enterprise is big. The Death Star's guns would blow it to pieces the second it got close.

Human-after-all

I was thinking of this. Star Wars is all in one galaxy. TNG has an episode where the warp drive malfunctions and the speed up to the point that the reach "the end of the universe."BranKetra

It didn't "malfunction." That was an advanced alien lifeform f***ing with the Enterprise to propell it across the universe. We could also consider that Star Trek mostly takes place in a small section of a galaxy. It'll take Voyager 70 years to get home, yet traveling from one side of the galaxy to the other is a project regularly undertaken by private citizens in personal spacecraft in Star Wars.

Kirk would think of a way to defeat the Death Star. After all, he did defeat the Doomsday Machine. topsemag55

Ahh, the good old days of Trek, where men were men, women wore miniskirts, and no one drank synthehol.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I was thinking of this. Star Wars is all in one galaxy. TNG has an episode where the warp drive malfunctions and the speed up to the point that the reach "the end of the universe."Palantas

It didn't "malfunction." That was an advanced alien lifeform f***ing with the Enterprise to propell it across the universe. We could also consider that Star Trek mostly takes place in a small section of a galaxy. It'll take Voyager 70 years to get home, yet traveling from one side of the galaxy to the other is a project regularly undertaken by private citizens in personal spacecraft in Star Wars.

[QUOTE="I"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]TNG has an episode where the warp drive malfunctions and the speed up to the point that the reach "the end of the universe."BranKetra

It didn't "malfunction." That was an advanced alien lifeform f***ing with the Enterprise to propell it across the universe.

I think you're right about the TNG episode.

Thank you, Bran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_No_One_Has_Gone_Before

I'm a huge nerd about this stuff.

Ahh, the good old days of Trek, where men were men, women wore miniskirts, and no one drank synthehol.

Palantas

In all honesty, I should admit that I liked The Next Generation. I don't take an overall position on the Kird/Picard thing. They have their strengths and weaknesses. After about 1997, Star Trek got steadily worst until it became unwatchable.

In all honesty, I should admit that I liked The Next Generation. I don't take an overall position on the Kird/Picard thing. They have their strengths and weaknesses. After about 1997, Star Trek got steadily worst until it became unwatchable.

Palantas

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="I"]

It didn't "malfunction." That was an advanced alien lifeform f***ing with the Enterprise to propell it across the universe.

Palantas

I think you're right about the TNG episode.

Thank you, Bran.

*link*

I'm a huge nerd about this stuff.

It's cool. I watched most of TNG and all of the SW movies. So, I know a thing or two. Though, I don't know what metal(s) the death star is made of. Or if it's metal at all.

BranKetra

I don't know that kind of stuff. I know the simple facts from the shows: The Death Star blows up planets in a spectacular fashion, and has the mass of millions of Enterprises. It's like the difference between a society that can build a tent out of hide, versus a society than can build New York City. One requires a much higher level of engineering than the other.

Oddly enough, TV Guide did a poll in an anniversary issue for Star Trek. The poll question was "Which Captain would be better able to save Earth?" (paraphrased). The poll result was a majority for Kirk over Picard.topsemag55

Did they even have the other captains on there? The TNG movies didn't help Picard's cred any. In Generations, his plan to stop a mad scientists from destroying a planet was to try and talk him out of it. WTF?

[QUOTE="Wren28"]

Depends on which Enterprise it is...the NCC-1701, 1701-A, B and C probably not...the D might have a chance and the E a far better chance yet.

Now the Defiant probably could :P.

Palantas

The newest Enterprises if anything have less of a chance against the Death Star, by virtue of being a bigger target. As for the Defiant, we're assuming: A.) It has ordnance appropriate to conducting the trench run, B.) The DS9 staff has the DS's technical plans, and the capability of analyzing them, C.) The Defiant is sufficiently small and maneuverable to avoid the DS's guns, and D.) It would be able to survive against Imperial fighter craft. That's a lot of assumptions.

True, the newer Enterprises would be a bigger target...

My point about the Defiant is it's cloaking technology...go in cloaked, get the info you need, sort all the attack plans out and then go from there lol.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]Oddly enough, TV Guide did a poll in an anniversary issue for Star Trek. The poll question was "Which Captain would be better able to save Earth?" (paraphrased). The poll result was a majority for Kirk over Picard.Palantas

Did they even have the other captains on there? The TNG movies didn't help Picard's cred any. In Generations, his plan to stop a mad scientists from destroying a planet was to try and talk him out of it. WTF?

Picard was always a diplomat first and foremost unlike Kirk who always seemed to go in "guns blazing"...or fists...whichever you prefer:P. Personally I prefer Picard over Kirk, but a lot of it has to do with the actors...I can't stand William Shatner, but am a huge fan of Patrick Stewart's...lol.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I was thinking of this. Star Wars is all in one galaxy. TNG has an episode where the warp drive malfunctions and the speed up to the point that the reach "the end of the universe."Palantas

It didn't "malfunction." That was an advanced alien lifeform f***ing with the Enterprise to propell it across the universe. We could also consider that Star Trek mostly takes place in a small section of a galaxy. It'll take Voyager 70 years to get home, yet traveling from one side of the galaxy to the other is a project regularly undertaken by private citizens in personal spacecraft in Star Wars.

Did they even have the other captains on there? The TNG movies didn't help Picard's cred any. In Generations, his plan to stop a mad scientists from destroying a planet was to try and talk him out of it. WTF?

Palantas

Really all the Enterprise would have to do is create a small black hole somewhere near the Death Star. Isn't the Enterprise like... gigantic?Franklinstein

Depends on the size of the galaxy, we don't even know the score of Star Wars really. Their hyperspace may be faster than warp but their weapon technology is still inferior. Although I think Jedi's could take the enterprise in some sort of espionage attempt. I think defeating a borg cube is more impressive than blowing up a death star. Human-after-all

The Star Wars galaxy is of a similar size to ours. I think the official figures put it at somewhat larger. "Hyperspace is faster than warp" is an understatement. It's many orders of magnitude faster. Again, what is a decades long voyage for a state of the art military vessel in Star Trek is accomplished in short order by private citizens of moderate means in Star Wars.

What's your vasis that their weapon technology is inferior?

Why is destroying a borg cube more impressive than destroying a Death Star, when the latter has the mass of thousands of cubes and thousands of times their firepower?

[QUOTE="akira2465"]

LOL No , they can't repel firepower of that magnitude

hydralisk86

but either would probably fail in getting the death star wars plans

TheShadowLord07

The Death Star is noticed approaching Romulan space. Romulans send scouts in cloked ships to scan the DS and find its strengths/weaknesses/composition/etc. They would likely notice the unshielded vent in the trench (it's a vent for the reactor, so the radiation signature would be pretty noticeable). They wouldn't need the plans at that point.

doesn't star trek take place in space future and star wars is acinet space times? If so, then yes, definitely. The technology would be far superior.

No, an ISD could take out the enterprise quite easily, and doesnt cloak have some distinct feature with tachyon particles? If so they would pop up on the Empires sensors as some weird hyperspace anomoly.chris_yz80

I am pretty sure the Imperial sensors are as good as Stormtroopers accuracy. In The Empire Strikes Back when that Star Destoryer lost the Millennium Falcon however it was just latched onto the hull of said Star Destoryer. (they also mentioned that the Falcon may of cloaked, even though a ship of that size shouldn't have one). So I don't think they would be able to find tachyon particles (or even be looking for them)

A Star Destroyer could swat the entire Federation navy, this is a horrible matchup.

Wouldn't be reasonable to compare the two ip's at all in any space battle. Star Wars is more imagination than science, and as such everything is "extremely powerful". Star trek is more about science, and relative to such it isnt in the same "power" range. But if the Enterprise-E was scaled upwards to StarWars big mega hyper everything then yes. Or the enterprise, with an actually good crew and engineering, could just beam over a bomb and that be it. CreasianDevaili

The "science" in Star Trek is just as much bull**** magical dickery as it is in Star Wars. For god's sake, Star Trek INVENTED technobabble. Or are you under the impression that FTL travel, devices that manufacture things at the subatomic level, time travel, randomly exploding consoles, ridiculously antropomorphic "aliens" and melee-fighting space-travelling warriors is even remotely realistic and true to "science"?

The Death Star is seen destroying large vessels and planets with a single shot, so I would say no. Unless they're able to transport explosive devices into the Death Star itself. In Trek, transporters are shown as being up unable to operate through shields and various other natural and artificial barriers. Is the Death Star equipped with would-be protection (Be it shielding or material) against transporters?

I would imagine the Romulan Empire could find a way to destroy the Death Star... even if it took a while. :P
No doubt the Tal Shiar and other Romulan groups would be interested in this "Death Star" and would work to convertly research the technology and find a way to defeat it.

Species 8472 would be the Trek race to pose the greatest direct threat to the Death Star, I think. A small group of their vessels (Around nine, if I remember correctly?) was shown destroying a planet. I see no reason why they couldn't simply open a singularity (A gateway to their "realm") a small distance away from the Death Star and use the same tactics to destroy the station. They have also demonstrated an ability to take on a human form, if they need to infiltrate the station.

So no... the Enterprise, and any other Federation vessels, would find it very difficult to launch an assault on the Death Star.

It would be extremely difficult to attack, maybe impossible for the Enterprise or even a fleet of ships to attack the Death Star.

Even if they discover its weakness, they would have to go the same way the X-Fighters and Y-Wings did with a near suicidal attack on the trench for a best chance to kill it. The fleet only have shuttles i believe too. Sure the main ships could fire torpedo's from afar to that exhaust port, but getting it to fly down just right to kill it would be impossible to do without accuracy, and shuttles would have little chance to survive all the flax coming at them.

Then their are the fleet of Tie Fighters which are housed in the Death star, that would just keep poking at the fleet, while the Death start can fire back its own defences and its main weapon.

So little chance they could do it. Maybe if they bring a large enough fleet they could stand a chance for a full on fight, but would suffer heavy losses.

Of course, they could try to find other way's, like teleport explosives into the station, if it was possible. Maybe even sabotage like from the fourth movie.

Only a Picard led assault would stand a chance.

Not a chance in hell, the Enterprise would be too big todestroy it the way the rebels did in Episode IV so that is out of the question. And their attacks would do like nothing against itwhile the Death Star can smash it in a second. They could try a sneak attack by infiltirating and trying to sabotage it from the inside, but even that would be impossible considering that the Death Star has an entire ARMY on board, plus it has Vader who is just a bad ass. Plus he could probably sense them anyway.

Sorry Enterprise, but you got nothing on the Death Star!

...melee-fighting space-travelling warriors is even remotely realistic and true to "science"?

Barbariser

Space vikings are highly scientific.

Hell No. The Enterprise would shoot their photon lasers, the death star commander would laugh, and blow enterprise out of space with little effort,

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

...melee-fighting space-travelling warriors is even remotely realistic and true to "science"?

Palantas

Space vikings are highly scientific.

I'm aware of that.