Could this be the future Mark of the Beast?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] I'm frankly not expecting anyone here to believe what I say, its GameSpot. There maybe some people here who may agree with me or know what im talking about atleast, but thats minuscule I think. Tell me, is it too crazy to think that you are brainwashed in school? Is it really THAT hard to believe?theintrospect79

Heck the other day I was trying to refute the mathematical principle that 0,9999... = 1.

Trust me if I have objections to something, I express them, even if they come from a university textbook. Maybe it goes along with being an agnostic, not sure.

Also I dont know about you, but I find a fundamental difference between the process of learning stuff at school and the process of getting initiated into a religion.

Two totally different things.

Initiated into a religion? Man i'm glad I have faith and not religion. I find it crazy how we've spent all that money changing the "opinions" in most school books, and then spend even more building a friggin "big bang" machine that creates what they call "dark matter' or the "god particle" and they don't even know what it is. Then there's the chunks of metal they got beaming through space trying to "figure it out"....

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] I'm frankly not expecting anyone here to believe what I say, its GameSpot. There maybe some people here who may agree with me or know what im talking about atleast, but thats minuscule I think. Tell me, is it too crazy to think that you are brainwashed in school? Is it really THAT hard to believe?theintrospect79

Heck the other day I was trying to refute the mathematical principle that 0,9999... = 1.

Trust me if I have objections to something, I express them, even if they come from a university textbook. Maybe it goes along with being an agnostic, not sure.

Also I dont know about you, but I find a fundamental difference between the process of learning stuff at school and the process of getting initiated into a religion.

Two totally different things.

Initiated into a religion? Man i'm glad I have faith and not religion. I find it crazy how we've spent all that money changing the "opinions" in most school books, and then spend even more building a friggin "big bang" machine that creates what they call "dark matter' or the "god particle" and they don't even know what it is. Then there's the chunks of metal they got beaming through space trying to "figure it out"....

How could they?!?!

>______>

[QUOTE="theintrospect79"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Brainwashed? Me?

Heck the other day I was trying to refute the mathematical principle that 0,9999... = 1.

Trust me if I have objections to something, I express them, even if they come from a university textbook. Maybe it goes along with being an agnostic, not sure.

Also I dont know about you, but I find a fundamental difference between the process of learning stuff at school and the process of getting initiated into a religion.

Two totally different things.

Teenaged

Initiated into a religion? Man i'm glad I have faith and not religion. I find it crazy how we've spent all that money changing the "opinions" in most school books, and then spend even more building a friggin "big bang" machine that creates what they call "dark matter' or the "god particle" and they don't even know what it is. Then there's the chunks of metal they got beaming through space trying to "figure it out"....

How could they?!?!

>______>

Yup, when they could use some of that money to help single mothers, or hungry and abused children

[QUOTE="theintrospect79"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Brainwashed? Me?

Heck the other day I was trying to refute the mathematical principle that 0,9999... = 1.

Trust me if I have objections to something, I express them, even if they come from a university textbook. Maybe it goes along with being an agnostic, not sure.

Also I dont know about you, but I find a fundamental difference between the process of learning stuff at school and the process of getting initiated into a religion.

Two totally different things.

JudgementEden

Initiated into a religion? Man i'm glad I have faith and not religion. I find it crazy how we've spent all that money changing the "opinions" in most school books, and then spend even more building a friggin "big bang" machine that creates what they call "dark matter' or the "god particle" and they don't even know what it is. Then there's the chunks of metal they got beaming through space trying to "figure it out"....

I know that thats just how it works in theory but claiming that its a fact that it always goes to the worst is extraordinary and you are pulling it out of nowhere; perhaps your need to justify your rejection of anything but religion. I dont know and its not my problem.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="theintrospect79"]

Initiated into a religion? Man i'm glad I have faith and not religion. I find it crazy how we've spent all that money changing the "opinions" in most school books, and then spend even more building a friggin "big bang" machine that creates what they call "dark matter' or the "god particle" and they don't even know what it is. Then there's the chunks of metal they got beaming through space trying to "figure it out"....

theintrospect79

How could they?!?!

>______>

Yup, when they could use some of that money to help single mothers, or hungry and abused children

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]these type of threads are always amusing.II_Seraphim_II

I thought a person was forced to get 666 on their skin. Not in it.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="theintrospect79"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Brainwashed? Me?

Heck the other day I was trying to refute the mathematical principle that 0,9999... = 1.

Trust me if I have objections to something, I express them, even if they come from a university textbook. Maybe it goes along with being an agnostic, not sure.

Also I dont know about you, but I find a fundamental difference between the process of learning stuff at school and the process of getting initiated into a religion.

Two totally different things.

JudgementEden

Initiated into a religion? Man i'm glad I have faith and not religion. I find it crazy how we've spent all that money changing the "opinions" in most school books, and then spend even more building a friggin "big bang" machine that creates what they call "dark matter' or the "god particle" and they don't even know what it is. Then there's the chunks of metal they got beaming through space trying to "figure it out"....

Of course Scientists would not throw evolution away, it's one the the most well supported theroies in science.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="theintrospect79"]

Initiated into a religion? Man i'm glad I have faith and not religion. I find it crazy how we've spent all that money changing the "opinions" in most school books, and then spend even more building a friggin "big bang" machine that creates what they call "dark matter' or the "god particle" and they don't even know what it is. Then there's the chunks of metal they got beaming through space trying to "figure it out"....

Ingenemployee

Of course Scientists would not throw evolution away, it's one the the most well supported theroies in science.

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] You have a point, never thought of saying that. I must comment on what Teenaged said before. You say that religious books never change, and you'd be right. But neither do textbooks if your not biased. If they DO change, its usually for the worse, hence the dumbing down of school children. Scientists advocating evolution for instance, will never throw the theory away no matter how little evidence it has. JudgementEden

Of course Scientists would not throw evolution away, it's one the the most well supported theroies in science.

Its pretty pathetic a lot of people still blindly support an old crusty theory proven wrong in the 80's. Of course, the person who debunked evolution is not at all popular.JudgementEden

Care to elaborate?

Or is this another thing that you're not going to tell us about?

evolution :lol:. it was proven wrong by the picture of that pig-like baby. so darwen was wrong, we are originated from pigs. GazaAli

Just yesterday I changed my broken desk!

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] You have a point, never thought of saying that. I must comment on what Teenaged said before. You say that religious books never change, and you'd be right. But neither do textbooks if your not biased. If they DO change, its usually for the worse, hence the dumbing down of school children. Scientists advocating evolution for instance, will never throw the theory away no matter how little evidence it has. JudgementEden

Of course Scientists would not throw evolution away, it's one the the most well supported theroies in science.

Of course, the person who debunked evolution is not at all popular. JudgementEden

evolution :lol:. it was proven wrong by the picture of that pig-like baby. so darwen was wrong, we are originated from pigs. GazaAli

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] You have a point, never thought of saying that. I must comment on what Teenaged said before. You say that religious books never change, and you'd be right. But neither do textbooks if your not biased. If they DO change, its usually for the worse, hence the dumbing down of school children. Scientists advocating evolution for instance, will never throw the theory away no matter how little evidence it has. JudgementEden

Of course Scientists would not throw evolution away, it's one the the most well supported theroies in science.

:lol: oh I would love to see this guy who "debunked" evolution and his information on it.

Now, I would post CpnJSarrow's huge proof of evolution list but for some reason it wont let me, so I hope somebody else wouldn't mind posting it.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

Of course Scientists would not throw evolution away, it's one the the most well supported theroies in science.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] So you think anyway. Its pretty pathetic a lot of people still blindly support an old crusty theory proven wrong in the 80's. Of course, the person who debunked evolution is not at all popular. Neither is any scientist who's against it.JudgementEden

That a conspiracy is going on to prevent people from knowing the truth. And its a very nice cop-out when ones tries to debunk whatever he wants to oppose to.

"Oh that not true. It has been proven wrong but the government is determined to not let any negating proof to reach the public" etc etc.

Allow me to highly doubt about the validity of conspiracy theories merely for how conveniently they are conjured up and used.

This does appear to be the mark of the beast. Yes its optional for now, but as things continue and the mass becomes more comfortable of everyone knowing their business, this will become mandatory.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Wow, so fast resorting to conspiracy theories?

Teenaged

That a conspiracy is going on to prevent people from knowing the truth. And its a very nice cop-out when ones tries to debunk whatever he wants to oppose to.

"Oh that not true. It has been proven wrong but the government is determined to not let any disprove to reach the public" etc etc.

Allow me to highly doubt about the validity of conspiracy theories merely for conveniently they are conjured up and used.

So you think anyway. Its pretty pathetic a lot of people still blindly support an old crusty theory proven wrong in the 80's.JudgementEden

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] This is actually not a conspiracy theory. And really, I hate that term. It implies there is hardly any proof for whatever is espoused, if any at all. When really, believe it or not, a lot of these "conspiracy theories" have more proof compared to what the government would have you believe. The term "conspiracy theory" is either used by people too lazy to look up the information on their own or by people who are too dependent on their current reality.JudgementEden

That a conspiracy is going on to prevent people from knowing the truth. And its a very nice cop-out when ones tries to debunk whatever he wants to oppose to.

"Oh that not true. It has been proven wrong but the government is determined to not let any disprove to reach the public" etc etc.

Allow me to highly doubt about the validity of conspiracy theories merely for conveniently they are conjured up and used.

And I think I am justified to call your response another cop out.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Whether you hate the term or not, thats exactly what you imply.

That a conspiracy is going on to prevent people from knowing the truth. And its a very nice cop-out when ones tries to debunk whatever he wants to oppose to.

"Oh that not true. It has been proven wrong but the government is determined to not let any disprove to reach the public" etc etc.

Allow me to highly doubt about the validity of conspiracy theories merely for conveniently they are conjured up and used.

Teenaged

And I think I am justified to call your response another cop out.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] If I were to tell you what I know it would take SO MUCH space. A huge gigaton. I would need to post huge quotes from various sources, give links, point you in the right direction to where your supposed to prove it to yourself etc. If anyone wants to know why I wont say anything in-depth, that's why. I cant just give you proof in a sentence or two. That would be impossible. I cant give you some truth and leave it at that either.JudgementEden

And I think I am justified to call your response another cop out.

.............................. ....................Kent Hovind?

:|

Ok I think we are done here.

Response: OLOLOL you are not open minded etc.

You see I am not unexperienced when it comes to people like Kent Hovind. We have lunatics like him over here in Greece. The amount of garbage I have heard from them is beyond words.

You know a person who rejects a conspiracy theorist is not "naturally biased". I am even bothered that you used the term "natural" as if bias is something generic or inherent.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] If I were to tell you what I know it would take SO MUCH space. A huge gigaton. I would need to post huge quotes from various sources, give links, point you in the right direction to where your supposed to prove it to yourself etc. If anyone wants to know why I wont say anything in-depth, that's why. I cant just give you proof in a sentence or two. That would be impossible. I cant give you some truth and leave it at that either.JudgementEden

And I think I am justified to call your response another cop out.

Hovend, seriously? No wonder you have no idea about evolution.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I am afraid I cannot believe in mere claims, and I am sure that a bunch of innacurate and distorted information CAN take up a "huge gigaton". Size doesnt matter (fnarr fnarr).

And I think I am justified to call your response another cop out.

Teenaged

.............................. ....................Kent Hovind?

:|

Ok I think we are done here.

Response: OLOLOL you are not open minded etc.

You see I am not unexperienced when it comes to people like Kent Hovind. We have lunatics like him over here in Greece. The amount of garbage I have heard from them is beyond words.

You know a person who rejects a conspiracy theorist is not "naturally biased". I am even bothered that you used the term "natural" as if bias is something generic or inherent.

Like I said, evolution is not my area. Alot of people think Hovind doesn't know what he's talking about, but are you a scientist? Can you possibly know more about evolution than the scientists he debates? Most people that say he doesn't know anything, dont know anything themselves to refute what hes saying. So, again, that's biased. And when I said "naturally" biased, I meant natural to you, as in its just how you are. It had nothing to do with your genetics.JudgementEden

It isn't Hovind's either. Neither is any other field of science.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I am afraid I cannot believe in mere claims, and I am sure that a bunch of innacurate and distorted information CAN take up a "huge gigaton". Size doesnt matter (fnarr fnarr).

And I think I am justified to call your response another cop out.

Ingenemployee

Hovend, seriously? No wonder you have no idea about evolution.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] At the moment, I cant find the exact source for the "80's" comment. And I want to give you something quick. So, im going to give you a video of Kent Hovind. Now, I realize a lot of people already know who he is, so for those that hate him, dont bother looking. If your not a naturally biased individual, Hovind should make sense for you. Personally though, I dont delve into evolution that often, not my area. So this is the best I can give you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTcQ0NnIDbQ&feature=relatedJudgementEden

.............................. ....................Kent Hovind?

:|

Ok I think we are done here.

Response: OLOLOL you are not open minded etc.

You see I am not unexperienced when it comes to people like Kent Hovind. We have lunatics like him over here in Greece. The amount of garbage I have heard from them is beyond words.

You know a person who rejects a conspiracy theorist is not "naturally biased". I am even bothered that you used the term "natural" as if bias is something generic or inherent.

Also I had no idea Kent Hovind has won scientists on debates. If he can how come is he not leading a group of scientists with him in head, in order to restore the "lost truths"? Oh I know: its another conspiracy. The scientific community conspires against him in order to not let him voice his opinion.

It all makes sense now!!!!

>___>

And again thats your own opinion that people that reject Kent Hovind are not knowledgable. You make an innacurate blanket statement without possibly knowing who is who.

Eh thats why I said "or inherent". Saying that some people just are unbiased and others just are biased, seems to me like an attempt to not bother with presenting evidence.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

.............................. ....................Kent Hovind?

:|

Ok I think we are done here.

Response: OLOLOL you are not open minded etc.

You see I am not unexperienced when it comes to people like Kent Hovind. We have lunatics like him over here in Greece. The amount of garbage I have heard from them is beyond words.

You know a person who rejects a conspiracy theorist is not "naturally biased". I am even bothered that you used the term "natural" as if bias is something generic or inherent.

Teenaged

Also I had no idea Kent Hovind has won scientists on debates. If he can how come is he not leading a group of scientists with him in head, in order to restore the "lost truths"? Oh I know: its another conspiracy. The scientific community conspires against him in order to not let him voice his opinion.

It all makes sense now!!!!

>___>

And again thats your own opinion that people that reject Kent Hovind are not knowledgable. You make an innacurate blanket statement without possibly knowing who is who.

Eh thats why I said "or inherent". Saying that some people just are unbiased and others just are biased, seems to me like an attempt to not bother with presenting evidence.

Lol, I didn't think you would get it right. But I guess this is where it ends because you are not open enough to even take a conspiracy seriously.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] Like I said, evolution is not my area. Alot of people think Hovind doesn't know what he's talking about, but are you a scientist? Can you possibly know more about evolution than the scientists he debates? Most people that say he doesn't know anything, dont know anything themselves to refute what hes saying. So, again, that's biased. And when I said "naturally" biased, I meant natural to you, as in its just how you are. It had nothing to do with your genetics.JudgementEden

Also I had no idea Kent Hovind has won scientists on debates. If he can how come is he not leading a group of scientists with him in head, in order to restore the "lost truths"? Oh I know: its another conspiracy. The scientific community conspires against him in order to not let him voice his opinion.

It all makes sense now!!!!

>___>

And again thats your own opinion that people that reject Kent Hovind are not knowledgable. You make an innacurate blanket statement without possibly knowing who is who.

Eh thats why I said "or inherent". Saying that some people just are unbiased and others just are biased, seems to me like an attempt to not bother with presenting evidence.

Lol, I didn't think you would get it right. But I guess this is where it ends because you are not open enough to even take a conspiracy seriously.

The usual cop out answer.

Have fun solving the mysteries of the world, which the government wants you not to! ZOMG

I know enough about evolution, I didn't learn from Hovind. And for once, I would like for someone to intelligently prove false each of his statements. I haven't seen that done yet. Just a bunch of "Hovind!? He doesn't know anything!" That does not make you automatically smarter than him.JudgementEden

Extantd0d0 did many videos on it, so did ThetaOmega.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]It is an assumption that one must be a scientist to understand that people like Kent Hovind dont know what they are talking about.

Also I had no idea Kent Hovind has won scientists on debates. If he can how come is he not leading a group of scientists with him in head, in order to restore the "lost truths"? Oh I know: its another conspiracy. The scientific community conspires against him in order to not let him voice his opinion.

It all makes sense now!!!!

>___>

And again thats your own opinion that people that reject Kent Hovind are not knowledgable. You make an innacurate blanket statement without possibly knowing who is who.

Eh thats why I said "or inherent". Saying that some people just are unbiased and others just are biased, seems to me like an attempt to not bother with presenting evidence.

Teenaged

Lol, I didn't think you would get it right. But I guess this is where it ends because you are not open enough to even take a conspiracy seriously.

The usual cop out answer.

Have fun solving the mysteries of the world, which the government wants you not to! ZOMG

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"]

Lol, I didn't think you would get it right. But I guess this is where it ends because you are not open enough to even take a conspiracy seriously.

JudgementEden

The usual cop out answer.

Have fun solving the mysteries of the world, which the government wants you not to! ZOMG

In a non-condescending way of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don\t listen to Teenaged, he's a DRACONIAN REPTILIAN protecting the royal BLOODLINES.Ed_Cetera

Who are you Ed_Cetera!?!?!?! :x

Who are you Ed_Cetera!?!?!?! :xTeenaged

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]:lol:

The usual cop out answer.

Have fun solving the mysteries of the world, which the government wants you not to! ZOMG

Teenaged

In a non-condescending way of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] Lol, you really are very funny. Believe it or not its fun talking with you.JudgementEden

In a non-condescending way of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Its fun talking to you too.

In a non-condescending way of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ed_Cetera

Lol, no, atleast I dont think so.

Oh gawd why does this topic still exist? D':

Can anyone tell me one Fact that proves the theory of evoloution? Or the origin of life from a "big bang"?

.......

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] I know enough about evolution, I didn't learn from Hovind. And for once, I would like for someone to intelligently prove false each of his statements. I haven't seen that done yet. Just a bunch of "Hovind!? He doesn't know anything!" That does not make you automatically smarter than him.dracula_16

Extantd0d0 did many videos on it, so did ThetaOmega.

Can anyone tell me one Fact that proves the theory of evoloution? Or the origin of life from a "big bang"?

.......

theintrospect79

Here

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26855901&union_id=18142

This is just a page on a gamespot union where a couple of hard-working members have collected data with the appropriate citations.

Have a look.

PS: The Big Bang theory has nothing to do with evolution.

Can anyone tell me one Fact that proves the theory of evoloution? Or the origin of life from a "big bang"?

.......

theintrospect79

Considering you've asked two questions, I'll give you two answers.

For evolution, there are three main points that constitute overwhelming evidence in its favor:

1. There are dozens upon dozens of fossils that have inspired heated debates over whether it is (for example) a "mammal-like reptile" or a "reptile-like mammal", indicating that the boundaries between animals is nowhere near as distinct as many would like to assert.

2. The fossils dated closer to the present day are both more diverse and more complex than the fossils dated further in the past, indicating that life on Earth became steadily more complex as time progressed.

3. All life on Earth is interconnected through an increasingly large set of common traits the closer taxonomically two organisms are related - some of which are not perfectly adapted to the organism's structure (e.g., hollow bones and wings in flightless birds), indicating common descent in life on Earth.

For the big bang, there are four main points that provide evidence in its favor:

1. The distribution of celestial objects and the appearance of celestial objects from long ago (the light we receive from far off galaxy gives us a picture of how it was many, many years ago) strongly indicate the evolution of galaxies.

2. The predominance of light elements such as hydrogen indicate that the atoms we have in existence today formed from subatomic particles.

3. The existence of cosmic microwave background radiation indicates that the universe was once much hotter than it is today.

4. The redshifting of all celestial objects indicates that everything in the universe is expanding apart and was closer together in the past.

As for the origin of life, science is still working on that (although they do have hypotheses) - so if you want to say "an intelligent being did it" and have that as the usual temporary answer until science figures it out, be my guest. :P

IMO in the end, being evoloution or creation, it all comes down to faith. Either one we believe, we need faith in it to rely on it. We'll never know "the exact facts 100%" on either side of it, it's what ever we have faith in.

IMO in the end, being evoloution or creation, it all comes down to faith. Either one we believe, we need faith in it to rely on it. We'll never know "the exact facts 100%" on either side of it, it's what ever we have faith in.

theintrospect79