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#1  Edited By FireEmblem_Man
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For those that are too lazy to watch, the first part

  • Mom post a status saying that she will not raise a bully as her child after she found out that her 12 year old son tripped on a girl and broke her shoes. Takes message too far and states that embarrassing the girl a front of the school is as equal to embarrassing her son a front of the Internet.
  • Second part is another mom did not like a meme post on how a man and a woman can look attractive. The mom goes too far stating threats in her sons comment section stating how she will humiliate him by making him single forever.
    • Mother shamed her son after he posted a meme by Meninist on Facebook
    • Titled 'what it takes to be attractive' it listed qualities for each gender
    • Underneath the list for women was just one requirement - 'don't be too fat'
    • His mom wrote a furious rant on her son's Facebook wall in response
    • She warned she'd taken a screenshot to show to any future girlfriend
    • The furious mom added they were going to be having a 'conversation'
    • 'Your proctologist called. He found your head,' she wrote on his wall

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Here's some advice to kids everywhere with a facebook account, don't facebook friend request or accept any request from your parents!

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#2  Edited By zeroyaoi
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Why didn't you list these two?

Don't be a jerk

Don't say stupid things

Follow those two, and you shouldn't run into many problems. =3

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#3 FireEmblem_Man
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@zeroyaoi said:

Why didn't you list these two?

Don't be a jerk

Don't say stupid things

Follow those two, and you shouldn't run into many problems. =3

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Shut up and go back to enjoying your yaoi music video!

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#4 zeroyaoi
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@FireEmblem_Man: ^•.•^ don't yell at me.

I'll let it slide. Just for being kind enough to post the video. ^_~

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#5 FireEmblem_Man
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@FireEmblem_Man: ^•.•^ don't yell at me.

I'll let it slide. Just for being kind enough to post the video. ^_~

Ugh...... I know it turns you on..... But Tweek x Craig is better

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#6 zeroyaoi
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@FireEmblem_Man: I like the first video better. =>

"ugh" You sure don't like me being around. Huh? I'll make your wish come true this one time, and disappear. ^•.-^

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@FireEmblem_Man: I like the first video better. =>

"ugh" You sure don't like me being around. Huh? I'll make your wish come true this one time, and disappear. ^•.-^

Oh no, you can stay here as long as I don't see a Yaoi of Fire Emblem Fates Conquest depiction of Male Corrin oil wrestling with Niles......

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STOP MILLENNIALS, LET IT END.

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3rd Wave Feminism is female supremacy.

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@Gaming-Planet said:

3rd Wave Feminism is female supremacy.

Whats worst is that if any 3rd wave feminist become mothers and have both sons and daughters, obviously they will favor the daughter more than their son. If Daddy/Daughter issues are a thing then Mother/Son issues will become much worst.

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@zeroyaoi said:

Why didn't you list these two?

Don't be a jerk

Don't say stupid things

Follow those two, and you shouldn't run into many problems. =3

Pretty much my thoughts on the topic. I'm not a fan of publicly shaming one's kids, but if I find out that either of my boys ever bullied anyone I would take that very seriously and do whatever I can to correct that behavior and help them understand what they did wrong. We do "Love and Logic" which is all about teaching from an early age that all decisions carry consequence so making the right decision is important.

Keeping your kid from being a bully isn't feminism, that's just good parenting.

-Byshop

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#12 FireEmblem_Man
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@Byshop: Im just saying, you don't need to public shame your son, if anything these moms should have just keep it to themselves. What do you you think of the second issue?

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#13  Edited By AND1SALTTAPE
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I'm kind of surprised how this feminist woman even got a child considering all her ilks either end up with cats or lesbians.

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So lets publicly shame someone for publicly shaming someone?

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Wow...she is deranged. Here's how normal, well adjusted adults handle situations such as this. My 11 year old daughter was 'bullied' at the bus stop. I put bullied in quotes because while 2 boys and a girl made fun of her and the boys grabbed her arms and gave her a nasty indian burn that left a pretty good mark was shitty, my wife and I recognize they are ultimately children. Did we publicly put these kids on blast? Did we rant and rave and make threats? No...we went to each of those kid's houses and spoke with the parents of each child involved privately.

All the parents (sans one lesbian couple) were completely open to speaking about it and spoke to their kids. The lesbian couple was initially extremely defensive and pretending their little angel could never do anything like that and basically calling us liars. However, after we showed them pictures and stayed calm they came around, and even gave my wife a hug and spoke to their son. After that, all the kids apologized and now everyone is friends. No one had to be further embarrassed, no threats, and no public humiliation.

So what did everyone involved learn from my incident? Bullying is wrong and hurts people feelings, but we can still behave in a civilized manner and even end up friends in the end if we all understand each other and approach others with compassion. What did the boy learn from his crazy SJW mother? Well...if you cross a woman be prepared to have your ass pulled through the ringer. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

This Mom is crazy and is doing psychological damage to her son.

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While I'm all for letting kids know that it's not acceptable for them to bully others, Doing so by hanging them out online for all to see with threats and calling them a douche is likely not the way to do it.

Doesn't exactly display that they're good parents.

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@FireEmblem_Man: Now you're just asking for it by giving me ideas. ^3^ Already have some FE related pictures. ♡.♡

If being publicly shamed doesn't change their hateful ways, then nothing will. Not that I condone what the parents did, but its the world we live in. =|

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They're pretty crazy alright.

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He's not wrong, heavy girls are not seen as pretty. That's where we are, attacked for telling truths.

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#20 Still_Vicious
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@Byshop said:
@zeroyaoi said:

Why didn't you list these two?

Don't be a jerk

Don't say stupid things

Follow those two, and you shouldn't run into many problems. =3

Pretty much my thoughts on the topic. I'm not a fan of publicly shaming one's kids, but if I find out that either of my boys ever bullied anyone I would take that very seriously and do whatever I can to correct that behavior and help them understand what they did wrong. We do "Love and Logic" which is all about teaching from an early age that all decisions carry consequence so making the right decision is important.

Keeping your kid from being a bully isn't feminism, that's just good parenting.

-Byshop

Why correct it? Bullies have higher self esteem and do better in life.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/29/bullies-actually-have-high-self-esteem-and-do-better-in-life-5317379/

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@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:
@zeroyaoi said:

Why didn't you list these two?

Don't be a jerk

Don't say stupid things

Follow those two, and you shouldn't run into many problems. =3

Pretty much my thoughts on the topic. I'm not a fan of publicly shaming one's kids, but if I find out that either of my boys ever bullied anyone I would take that very seriously and do whatever I can to correct that behavior and help them understand what they did wrong. We do "Love and Logic" which is all about teaching from an early age that all decisions carry consequence so making the right decision is important.

Keeping your kid from being a bully isn't feminism, that's just good parenting.

-Byshop

Why correct it? Bullies have higher self esteem and do better in life.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/29/bullies-actually-have-high-self-esteem-and-do-better-in-life-5317379/

There's a difference between healthy competition and preying on the weak. Picking on someone weaker than yourself doesn't take strength, but facing an equal or stronger opponent and prevailing does. I spent years doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/submission wrestling tournaments and unless they absolutely hate it, my sons will do the same. Strength of character is just as important as physical strength or strength of will. If I have anything to say about it, my boys will be the kind of kids who stand up to the bully on behalf of the kids who can't.

-Byshop

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#22 Still_Vicious
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@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:
@zeroyaoi said:

Why didn't you list these two?

Don't be a jerk

Don't say stupid things

Follow those two, and you shouldn't run into many problems. =3

Pretty much my thoughts on the topic. I'm not a fan of publicly shaming one's kids, but if I find out that either of my boys ever bullied anyone I would take that very seriously and do whatever I can to correct that behavior and help them understand what they did wrong. We do "Love and Logic" which is all about teaching from an early age that all decisions carry consequence so making the right decision is important.

Keeping your kid from being a bully isn't feminism, that's just good parenting.

-Byshop

Why correct it? Bullies have higher self esteem and do better in life.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/29/bullies-actually-have-high-self-esteem-and-do-better-in-life-5317379/

There's a difference between healthy competition and preying on the weak. Picking on someone weaker than yourself doesn't take strength, but facing an equal or stronger opponent and prevailing does. I spent years doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/submission wrestling tournaments and unless they absolutely hate it, my sons will do the same. Strength of character is just as important as physical strength or strength of will. If I have anything to say about it, my boys will be the kind of kids who stand up to the bully on behalf of the kids who can't.

-Byshop

lol, has very little to do with what I just said. Doesn't matter what is or isn't right/strong, fact is bullies make more money, have more sex, and just do better in life.

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@zeroyaoi said:

@FireEmblem_Man: Now you're just asking for it by giving me ideas. ^3^ Already have some FE related pictures. ♡.♡

If being publicly shamed doesn't change their hateful ways, then nothing will. Not that I condone what the parents did, but its the world we live in. =|

It took me a while to figure out that you're a female or do you prefer to be called gender fluid? :P

Also, I don't agree with the son bullying a new girl and do approve of her making him buy new shoes. But I wouldn't take it to social media trying to show how a good mother you're trying to be. As for the second part, that mom is just plain crazy!

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#25  Edited By Byshop  Moderator
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@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:
@zeroyaoi said:

Why didn't you list these two?

Don't be a jerk

Don't say stupid things

Follow those two, and you shouldn't run into many problems. =3

Pretty much my thoughts on the topic. I'm not a fan of publicly shaming one's kids, but if I find out that either of my boys ever bullied anyone I would take that very seriously and do whatever I can to correct that behavior and help them understand what they did wrong. We do "Love and Logic" which is all about teaching from an early age that all decisions carry consequence so making the right decision is important.

Keeping your kid from being a bully isn't feminism, that's just good parenting.

-Byshop

Why correct it? Bullies have higher self esteem and do better in life.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/29/bullies-actually-have-high-self-esteem-and-do-better-in-life-5317379/

There's a difference between healthy competition and preying on the weak. Picking on someone weaker than yourself doesn't take strength, but facing an equal or stronger opponent and prevailing does. I spent years doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/submission wrestling tournaments and unless they absolutely hate it, my sons will do the same. Strength of character is just as important as physical strength or strength of will. If I have anything to say about it, my boys will be the kind of kids who stand up to the bully on behalf of the kids who can't.

-Byshop

lol, has very little to do with what I just said. Doesn't matter what is or isn't right/strong, fact is bullies make more money, have more sex, and just do better in life.

If your read was that "bullies do better in life so you should raise a bully" or that "bullies make more money" then I'm guessing you didn't actually read the study because that's not even remotely what it said. Besides that, what I said is absolutely relevant to your question because you asked me "why not" and my answer is "because I want my kids to be strong, good people".

-Byshop

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@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:

Pretty much my thoughts on the topic. I'm not a fan of publicly shaming one's kids, but if I find out that either of my boys ever bullied anyone I would take that very seriously and do whatever I can to correct that behavior and help them understand what they did wrong. We do "Love and Logic" which is all about teaching from an early age that all decisions carry consequence so making the right decision is important.

Keeping your kid from being a bully isn't feminism, that's just good parenting.

-Byshop

Why correct it? Bullies have higher self esteem and do better in life.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/29/bullies-actually-have-high-self-esteem-and-do-better-in-life-5317379/

There's a difference between healthy competition and preying on the weak. Picking on someone weaker than yourself doesn't take strength, but facing an equal or stronger opponent and prevailing does. I spent years doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/submission wrestling tournaments and unless they absolutely hate it, my sons will do the same. Strength of character is just as important as physical strength or strength of will. If I have anything to say about it, my boys will be the kind of kids who stand up to the bully on behalf of the kids who can't.

-Byshop

lol, has very little to do with what I just said. Doesn't matter what is or isn't right/strong, fact is bullies make more money, have more sex, and just do better in life.

If your read was that "bullies do better in life so you should raise a bully" or that "bullies make more money" then I'm guessing you didn't actually read the study because that's not even remotely what it said. Besides that, what I said is absolutely relevant to your question because you asked me "why not" and my answer is "because I want my kids to be strong, good people".

-Byshop

I'd rather they be successful.

Good and bad are subjective, success is less so.

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@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:

Why correct it? Bullies have higher self esteem and do better in life.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/29/bullies-actually-have-high-self-esteem-and-do-better-in-life-5317379/

There's a difference between healthy competition and preying on the weak. Picking on someone weaker than yourself doesn't take strength, but facing an equal or stronger opponent and prevailing does. I spent years doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/submission wrestling tournaments and unless they absolutely hate it, my sons will do the same. Strength of character is just as important as physical strength or strength of will. If I have anything to say about it, my boys will be the kind of kids who stand up to the bully on behalf of the kids who can't.

-Byshop

lol, has very little to do with what I just said. Doesn't matter what is or isn't right/strong, fact is bullies make more money, have more sex, and just do better in life.

If your read was that "bullies do better in life so you should raise a bully" or that "bullies make more money" then I'm guessing you didn't actually read the study because that's not even remotely what it said. Besides that, what I said is absolutely relevant to your question because you asked me "why not" and my answer is "because I want my kids to be strong, good people".

-Byshop

I'd rather they be successful.

Good and bad are subjective, success is less so.

Successful is no less subjective, but by going by what I assume is your definition of successful (good job, lots of money) I have it on good authority that you don't need to be a bully to be very successful in life.

Besides that, the study didn't say "bullies will be more successful in life". The conclusion of the study was that if bullying isn't caused by low self-esteem and may be genetically hardwired. It also suggested that if it's not self-esteem based then anti-bullying programs need to change their approach in how they correct the behavior. The study was not "pro-bullying" as you seem to have inferred from the Metro article.

-Byshop

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I dont take dietary advice from anorexics or the obese, same way I dont listen to feminists or misogynists.

“This man, on one hand, believes that he knows something, while not knowing (anything). On the other hand, I — equally ignorant — do not believe (that I know anything).” - Socrates, Plato's Apology.

People on both sides seem to know nothing about themselves, and they extend this lack of self knowledge outward.

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@Byshop: wait, did you read the same thing I did?

"Researchers at Simon Fraser University found that bullies at school were the least likely to be depressed, got more sex, and had the highest self-esteem in their group.

Pupils bully each other simply to get ahead – so being a bully is a measure of social success, the researchers suggest.

A separate Brock University study suggested that bullies also tend to be more sexually successful than their victims."

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@still_vicious said:

@Byshop: wait, did you read the same thing I did?

"Researchers at Simon Fraser University found that bullies at school were the least likely to be depressed, got more sex, and had the highest self-esteem in their group.

Pupils bully each other simply to get ahead – so being a bully is a measure of social success, the researchers suggest.

A separate Brock University study suggested that bullies also tend to be more sexually successful than their victims."

Yes... but realizing that the column you linked obviously wasn't the whole story I looked for the study itself (which the column didn't even bother to name). The name of the study is "Survival of the Fittest and the Sexiest: Evolutionary Origins of Adolescent Bullying" and it was published in the "Journal of Interpersonal Violence". You can't read the full text without a paid Sage Publishing account, but the SFU paper published an article on the study that goes into a lot more detail than the little blurb in the column you linked.

Yes, the study says that bullies are more socially successful and the other study says they are more sexually successful. I don't know about you, but I didn't need a college funded research project to tell me that the kids who beat up other kids are more popular and get laid more than the kids who got beat up.

The other stuff you said about them being generally more successful in life and making more money isn't mentioned anywhere in the column or the SFU article. That's just an inference you made based on a second hand blurb by a columnist on Metro. The study was done on 133 Vancouver kids in 2015. With the exception of which of those kids were seniors last year, the kids in that study are -still- high school students so it's a bit early to say how successful they are in life in general and ignores a ton of other factors like academic prowess that factor heavily into the kind of college or career you can get into after high school.

https://www.sfu.ca/criminology/newsandevents/criminology-news/sfu-study-finds-biological-explanation-for-youth-bullying.html

From the article:

"A study from SFU researchers provides new evidence for why the widespread problem of bullying continues to persist. The study finds that youth bullying may be derived from evolutionary development, providing implications for approaching anti-bullying strategies in schools.

Supporters of evolutionary process theory (EPT) argue that there is a biological explanation for bullying – it may be an adaptive behavior that provides individuals with higher status. The results of this study show that bullies do gain specific benefits from their aggression.

“The results do not, by any means, suggest that bullying is ‘ok’ because it may have genetic explanations. Research consistently demonstrates negative implications of bullying in both the short- and long-term, and it should not be acceptable in our schools,” says SFU criminologist Jennifer Wong, lead researcher on the study. “However, this information is useful because it provides us with new options for addressing bullying behaviour.”"

"“We advocate re-directing bullying tendencies to more productive and constructive channels, including supervised competitive activities. This would allow youths to demonstrate their prowess and establish rank in a safer environment without victims,” says Wong."

-Byshop

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...but you can be successful, without being a terrible human being. I feel bad for any child that has to grow up with such a poor example.

@FireEmblem_Man:

Are you going to take it out on me now? 'o'

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@zeroyaoi said:

...but you can be successful, without being a terrible human being. I feel bad for any child that has to grow up with such a poor example.

@FireEmblem_Man:

Are you going to take it out on me now? 'o'

So you want me to take you out on a date?

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@FireEmblem_Man: Not asking for anything.

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@zeroyaoi: But, I was starting to like you? :-(

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@Byshop said:
@zeroyaoi said:

Why didn't you list these two?

Don't be a jerk

Don't say stupid things

Follow those two, and you shouldn't run into many problems. =3

Pretty much my thoughts on the topic. I'm not a fan of publicly shaming one's kids, but if I find out that either of my boys ever bullied anyone I would take that very seriously and do whatever I can to correct that behavior and help them understand what they did wrong. We do "Love and Logic" which is all about teaching from an early age that all decisions carry consequence so making the right decision is important.

Keeping your kid from being a bully isn't feminism, that's just good parenting.

-Byshop

So, do you think publicly shaming and bullying your children on FB will teach them a valuable lesson beyond that parents are not to be trusted?

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@MlauTheDaft said:
@Byshop said:
@zeroyaoi said:

Why didn't you list these two?

Don't be a jerk

Don't say stupid things

Follow those two, and you shouldn't run into many problems. =3

Pretty much my thoughts on the topic. I'm not a fan of publicly shaming one's kids, but if I find out that either of my boys ever bullied anyone I would take that very seriously and do whatever I can to correct that behavior and help them understand what they did wrong. We do "Love and Logic" which is all about teaching from an early age that all decisions carry consequence so making the right decision is important.

Keeping your kid from being a bully isn't feminism, that's just good parenting.

-Byshop

So, do you think publicly shaming and bullying your children on FB will teach them a valuable lesson beyond that parents are not to be trusted?

I thought the statement "I'm not a fan of publicly shaming one's kids" pretty clearly summed up my thoughts on the topic.

-Byshop

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#37  Edited By sayyy-gaa
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hard for me to judge how someone else raised their kid so I won't do that. I will say that I would have kept it private. Probably would have whipped my kid and then grounded him.

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@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:

@Byshop: wait, did you read the same thing I did?

"Researchers at Simon Fraser University found that bullies at school were the least likely to be depressed, got more sex, and had the highest self-esteem in their group.

Pupils bully each other simply to get ahead – so being a bully is a measure of social success, the researchers suggest.

A separate Brock University study suggested that bullies also tend to be more sexually successful than their victims."

Yes... but realizing that the column you linked obviously wasn't the whole story I looked for the study itself (which the column didn't even bother to name). The name of the study is "Survival of the Fittest and the Sexiest: Evolutionary Origins of Adolescent Bullying" and it was published in the "Journal of Interpersonal Violence". You can't read the full text without a paid Sage Publishing account, but the SFU paper published an article on the study that goes into a lot more detail than the little blurb in the column you linked.

Yes, the study says that bullies are more socially successful and the other study says they are more sexually successful. I don't know about you, but I didn't need a college funded research project to tell me that the kids who beat up other kids are more popular and get laid more than the kids who got beat up.

The other stuff you said about them being generally more successful in life and making more money isn't mentioned anywhere in the column or the SFU article. That's just an inference you made based on a second hand blurb by a columnist on Metro. The study was done on 133 Vancouver kids in 2015. With the exception of which of those kids were seniors last year, the kids in that study are -still- high school students so it's a bit early to say how successful they are in life in general and ignores a ton of other factors like academic prowess that factor heavily into the kind of college or career you can get into after high school.

https://www.sfu.ca/criminology/newsandevents/criminology-news/sfu-study-finds-biological-explanation-for-youth-bullying.html

From the article:

"A study from SFU researchers provides new evidence for why the widespread problem of bullying continues to persist. The study finds that youth bullying may be derived from evolutionary development, providing implications for approaching anti-bullying strategies in schools.

Supporters of evolutionary process theory (EPT) argue that there is a biological explanation for bullying – it may be an adaptive behavior that provides individuals with higher status. The results of this study show that bullies do gain specific benefits from their aggression.

“The results do not, by any means, suggest that bullying is ‘ok’ because it may have genetic explanations. Research consistently demonstrates negative implications of bullying in both the short- and long-term, and it should not be acceptable in our schools,” says SFU criminologist Jennifer Wong, lead researcher on the study. “However, this information is useful because it provides us with new options for addressing bullying behaviour.”"

  • "“We advocate re-directing bullying tendencies to more productive and constructive channels, including supervised competitive activities. This would allow youths to demonstrate their prowess and establish rank in a safer environment without victims,” says Wong."

-Byshop

You basically just agreed with everything i said in a long worded way.

I think you want really badly to believe that bullying is bad and you want to disagree with me for that reason.

But you literally support what I've said in that bullies are more successful. Underlined where you've backed me up.

Remember, your kids are better as bullies.

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I don't think that publicly shaming may be the right way to go but I do agree with the sentiment that bullying is wrong and that something should be done to curb it.

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@FireEmblem_Man: What did I do? >=O

And after all the progress we made.

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@zeroyaoi said:

@FireEmblem_Man: What did I do? >=O

And after all the progress we made.

You've done nothing wrong! I likes ya, and I wants ya. We can do it the easy way or the hard way? The choice is yours XP

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@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:

@Byshop: wait, did you read the same thing I did?

"Researchers at Simon Fraser University found that bullies at school were the least likely to be depressed, got more sex, and had the highest self-esteem in their group.

Pupils bully each other simply to get ahead – so being a bully is a measure of social success, the researchers suggest.

A separate Brock University study suggested that bullies also tend to be more sexually successful than their victims."

Yes... but realizing that the column you linked obviously wasn't the whole story I looked for the study itself (which the column didn't even bother to name). The name of the study is "Survival of the Fittest and the Sexiest: Evolutionary Origins of Adolescent Bullying" and it was published in the "Journal of Interpersonal Violence". You can't read the full text without a paid Sage Publishing account, but the SFU paper published an article on the study that goes into a lot more detail than the little blurb in the column you linked.

Yes, the study says that bullies are more socially successful and the other study says they are more sexually successful. I don't know about you, but I didn't need a college funded research project to tell me that the kids who beat up other kids are more popular and get laid more than the kids who got beat up.

The other stuff you said about them being generally more successful in life and making more money isn't mentioned anywhere in the column or the SFU article. That's just an inference you made based on a second hand blurb by a columnist on Metro. The study was done on 133 Vancouver kids in 2015. With the exception of which of those kids were seniors last year, the kids in that study are -still- high school students so it's a bit early to say how successful they are in life in general and ignores a ton of other factors like academic prowess that factor heavily into the kind of college or career you can get into after high school.

https://www.sfu.ca/criminology/newsandevents/criminology-news/sfu-study-finds-biological-explanation-for-youth-bullying.html

From the article:

"A study from SFU researchers provides new evidence for why the widespread problem of bullying continues to persist. The study finds that youth bullying may be derived from evolutionary development, providing implications for approaching anti-bullying strategies in schools.

Supporters of evolutionary process theory (EPT) argue that there is a biological explanation for bullying – it may be an adaptive behavior that provides individuals with higher status. The results of this study show that bullies do gain specific benefits from their aggression.

“The results do not, by any means, suggest that bullying is ‘ok’ because it may have genetic explanations. Research consistently demonstrates negative implications of bullying in both the short- and long-term, and it should not be acceptable in our schools,” says SFU criminologist Jennifer Wong, lead researcher on the study. “However, this information is useful because it provides us with new options for addressing bullying behaviour.”"

  • "“We advocate re-directing bullying tendencies to more productive and constructive channels, including supervised competitive activities. This would allow youths to demonstrate their prowess and establish rank in a safer environment without victims,” says Wong."

-Byshop

You basically just agreed with everything i said in a long worded way.

I think you want really badly to believe that bullying is bad and you want to disagree with me for that reason.

But you literally support what I've said in that bullies are more successful. Underlined where you've backed me up.

Remember, your kids are better as bullies.

Pardon me if I don't change my entire parenting philosophy because a random forum user on the internet misunderstood something he read. As I said, the whole point of the study wasn't "bullying = good", it was that "what's wrong with bullies isn't what we thought it was, so let's change our approach to how we deal with them".

-Byshop

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@FireEmblem_Man: Are you drunk posting? O.O

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@zeroyaoi said:

@FireEmblem_Man: Are you drunk posting? O.O

Drunk? I wish! :P

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@FireEmblem_Man: You can always make it a reality. =o

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@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:

@Byshop: wait, did you read the same thing I did?

"Researchers at Simon Fraser University found that bullies at school were the least likely to be depressed, got more sex, and had the highest self-esteem in their group.

Pupils bully each other simply to get ahead – so being a bully is a measure of social success, the researchers suggest.

A separate Brock University study suggested that bullies also tend to be more sexually successful than their victims."

Yes... but realizing that the column you linked obviously wasn't the whole story I looked for the study itself (which the column didn't even bother to name). The name of the study is "Survival of the Fittest and the Sexiest: Evolutionary Origins of Adolescent Bullying" and it was published in the "Journal of Interpersonal Violence". You can't read the full text without a paid Sage Publishing account, but the SFU paper published an article on the study that goes into a lot more detail than the little blurb in the column you linked.

Yes, the study says that bullies are more socially successful and the other study says they are more sexually successful. I don't know about you, but I didn't need a college funded research project to tell me that the kids who beat up other kids are more popular and get laid more than the kids who got beat up.

The other stuff you said about them being generally more successful in life and making more money isn't mentioned anywhere in the column or the SFU article. That's just an inference you made based on a second hand blurb by a columnist on Metro. The study was done on 133 Vancouver kids in 2015. With the exception of which of those kids were seniors last year, the kids in that study are -still- high school students so it's a bit early to say how successful they are in life in general and ignores a ton of other factors like academic prowess that factor heavily into the kind of college or career you can get into after high school.

https://www.sfu.ca/criminology/newsandevents/criminology-news/sfu-study-finds-biological-explanation-for-youth-bullying.html

From the article:

"A study from SFU researchers provides new evidence for why the widespread problem of bullying continues to persist. The study finds that youth bullying may be derived from evolutionary development, providing implications for approaching anti-bullying strategies in schools.

Supporters of evolutionary process theory (EPT) argue that there is a biological explanation for bullying – it may be an adaptive behavior that provides individuals with higher status. The results of this study show that bullies do gain specific benefits from their aggression.

“The results do not, by any means, suggest that bullying is ‘ok’ because it may have genetic explanations. Research consistently demonstrates negative implications of bullying in both the short- and long-term, and it should not be acceptable in our schools,” says SFU criminologist Jennifer Wong, lead researcher on the study. “However, this information is useful because it provides us with new options for addressing bullying behaviour.”"

  • "“We advocate re-directing bullying tendencies to more productive and constructive channels, including supervised competitive activities. This would allow youths to demonstrate their prowess and establish rank in a safer environment without victims,” says Wong."

-Byshop

You basically just agreed with everything i said in a long worded way.

I think you want really badly to believe that bullying is bad and you want to disagree with me for that reason.

But you literally support what I've said in that bullies are more successful. Underlined where you've backed me up.

Remember, your kids are better as bullies.

Pardon me if I don't change my entire parenting philosophy because a random forum user on the internet misunderstood something he read. As I said, the whole point of the study wasn't "bullying = good", it was that "what's wrong with bullies isn't what we thought it was, so let's change our approach to how we deal with them".

-Byshop

Love it when personal attacks start. I take it as a sign that I'm right.

My point is that bullies are more successful in life. Bullying is a way pecking order is determined, and I'd rather my kids be on top.

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@still_vicious said:
@Byshop said:
@still_vicious said:

You basically just agreed with everything i said in a long worded way.

I think you want really badly to believe that bullying is bad and you want to disagree with me for that reason.

But you literally support what I've said in that bullies are more successful. Underlined where you've backed me up.

Remember, your kids are better as bullies.

Pardon me if I don't change my entire parenting philosophy because a random forum user on the internet misunderstood something he read. As I said, the whole point of the study wasn't "bullying = good", it was that "what's wrong with bullies isn't what we thought it was, so let's change our approach to how we deal with them".

-Byshop

Love it when personal attacks start. I take it as a sign that I'm right.

My point is that bullies are more successful in life. Bullying is a way pecking order is determined, and I'd rather my kids be on top.

What personal attack? You misunderstood the point of the study because you read a second hand reference to it in a column on an news site. I linked you to the original article, but if you're just going to cherry pick the lines that you feel support your position while ignoring the conclusion and purpose of the study then feel free to believe what you choose, but don't expect me or anyone else to go along with it. I have no idea what part of:

“The results do not, by any means, suggest that bullying is ‘ok’ because it may have genetic explanations. Research consistently demonstrates negative implications of bullying in both the short- and long-term, and it should not be acceptable in our schools,” says SFU criminologist Jennifer Wong, lead researcher on the study. “However, this information is useful because it provides us with new options for addressing bullying behaviour.”

...is unclear to you. Maybe you're just deliberately being contrary. The stuff you said about "more successful in life and will make more money" is something you made up based on what you read. Higher social statusand greater success sexually in High School doesn't scream most adults as "will succeed in life". On the contrary, I picture Al Bundy from Married with Children and think "peaked in High School".

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#49 pook99
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@Byshop said:
@zeroyaoi said:

Why didn't you list these two?

Don't be a jerk

Don't say stupid things

Follow those two, and you shouldn't run into many problems. =3

Pretty much my thoughts on the topic. I'm not a fan of publicly shaming one's kids, but if I find out that either of my boys ever bullied anyone I would take that very seriously and do whatever I can to correct that behavior and help them understand what they did wrong. We do "Love and Logic" which is all about teaching from an early age that all decisions carry consequence so making the right decision is important.

Keeping your kid from being a bully isn't feminism, that's just good parenting.

-Byshop

Keeping your kid from being a bully is good parenting, disciplining your child on the internet for the world to see is abyssmal parenting and bordering on child abuse.

I have been a middle school teacher for 14 years, I have an incredible record of stopping bullying issues in my school, and I can tell you the way to stop bullying is to get to know bullies, figure out why they are bullying, and work on correcting those issues. Positive reinforcement and boosting self-esteem go a long way in preventing bullying, public humiliation and shame only lead to anger and self-loathing which typically just leads to more bullying. That parent should be ashamed of herself.

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Byshop isn't advocating for parents public shaming their kids.