Creation or Evolution?

Man, this topic is a breath of fresh air in OT

evolution has no evidence.mrpasta

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Because evolution has no evidence.mrpasta

This won't end well.

I believe in evolution. I do not believe in creation by a higher being.

And the two are not necessarily two separate things. You can believe in both.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm and this is for you

Prove to me that their is no credible evidence of evolution. Also, prove to me that a little white man in a white robe created us, died, ressurected in 3 days, and told us to kiss butt for our wrong doings.

Nuf said. lol

Not really. You see, the Bible says that there was no death or suffering before the fall. Evolution requires millions upon billions of years of death and suffering to get to modern man. They do not coincide. Jesus even references creation. "From the beginning..." He says that Adam and Eve had been around from the beginning.mrpasta

lol your using the bible as evidence, you have already lost

Evolution explains the diversity in life not HOW LIFE BEGAN.... and Creation say god put us here and there were no animals before us humans.....

But has anybody ever thought it might be BOTH... Divine evolution?

Both...they are not mutually exclusive.

Not really. You see, the Bible says that there was no death or suffering before the fall. Evolution requires millions upon billions of years of death and suffering to get to modern man. They do not coincide. Jesus even references creation. "From the beginning..." He says that Adam and Eve had been around from the beginning.mrpasta

Thing is, you cannot use the definitions of "Adaptaion" and Evolution" as the same thing. Natural selection is omething that obviously happens. This is what Darwin noticed with the finches in the Galapogos. Natural selection is not a drive for evolution.mrpasta

And what exactly are you basing that most enlightened view on?

Evolution explains the diversity in life not HOW LIFE BEGAN.... and Creation say god put us here and there were no animals before us humans.....

But has anybody ever thought it might be BOTH... Divine evolution?

bsman00

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Evolution explains the diversity in life not HOW LIFE BEGAN.... and Creation say god put us here and there were no animals before us humans.....

But has anybody ever thought it might be BOTH... Divine evolution?

LJS9502_basic

well then divine evolution should make sense to TC... because there is actual proof of evolution

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czort666

Creation. And here is something special for you, TC (referring to your understanding of the theory). EDIT: Sorry, the old size was excessive.deepdreamer256

:shock: epic facepalm

Evidence > no evidence

Evolution.

Is there supposed to be some sort of image made by all those facepalm pics or am I just imagining things? bean-with-bacon

yes, its this picture

Think about this logically.

First, the Bible can be proved through its large amount of ancient manuscripts, which total to over 23,000: more copies than any of Plato's or Caesars works put together and multiplied by 10. Yet you don't question Caesars works. Second, the Bible can be proved through history and archaeology. There has not been a single archaeological find that disproves the Bibles claims. Third, there are several 3rd person accounts that verify Jesus' miracles and existance, and that he rose again on the third day.

Evolution requires that species grow over time, developing new features. One might call this macro evolution. And it is said that evolution took place over millions of years. If that was true, shouldn't there be just as many "transitional" fossils as there are normal ones? But this is not the case.

Is there supposed to be some sort of image made by all those facepalm pics or am I just imagining things? bean-with-bacon

[QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"]Is there supposed to be some sort of image made by all those facepalm pics or am I just imagining things? Ingenemployee

yes, its this picture

OMG that is just awsome, I cant believe I didn't see it earlier, I was thinking it was one of those "go cross eyed and see a 3D image" thing, lol, now I feel like an idiot for going cross eyed at the computer screen.

Think about this logically.

First, the Bible can be proved through its large amount of ancient manuscripts, which total to over 23,000: more copies than any of Plato's or Caesars works put together and multiplied by 10. Yet you don't question Caesars works. Second, the Bible can be proved through history and archaeology. There has not been a single archaeological find that disproves the Bibles claims. Third, there are several 3rd person accounts that verify Jesus' miracles and existance, and that he rose again on the third day.

Evolution requires that species grow over time, developing new features. One might call this macro evolution. And it is said that evolution took place over millions of years. If that was true, shouldn't there be just as many "transitional" fossils as there are normal ones? But this is not the case.

mrpasta

do you think evolution explain where we came from? if you do then your wrong.. it just explains the diversity of life

Well if you can prove to me snakes can talk... i will believe the bible is true

Evidence > no evidence

Evolution.

MattUD1

this, also i'd like to point out...

I never said that evolution explained where we came from. But if it explains the diversity of life, then this statement still stands.

"And it is said that evolution took place over millions of years. If that was true, shouldn't there be just as many "transitional" fossils as there are normal ones? But this is not the case."

Evolution requires that species grow over time, developing new features. One might call this macro evolution. And it is said that evolution took place over millions of years. If that was true, shouldn't there be just as many "transitional" fossils as there are normal ones? But this is not the case.

mrpasta

Every fossil is a transitional fossil, every offspring is another tiny step in evolution.

I think evolution is much more likely, and I don't see how the two have to be mutually exclusive. Creationism is not technically a scientific theory, and since it can't be tested, I don't see how it can act as a substitute. Plus, the TC hasn't posted a single shred of evidence to back up his claims, which is pretty much what I've seen from most argumentation from those who advocate creationism over evolution and claim that they can't coincide.

First, the Bible can be proved through its large amount of ancient manuscripts, which total to over 23,000: more copies than any of Plato's or Caesars works put together and multiplied by 10. Yet you don't question Caesars works. Second, the Bible can be proved through history and archaeology. There has not been a single archaeological find that disproves the Bibles claims. Third, there are several 3rd person accounts that verify Jesus' miracles and existance, and that he rose again on the third day.

Evolution requires that species grow over time, developing new features. One might call this macro evolution. And it is said that evolution took place over millions of years. If that was true, shouldn't there be just as many "transitional" fossils as there are normal ones? But this is not the case.

Think about this logically.

First, the Bible can be proved through its large amount of ancient manuscripts, which total to over 23,000: more copies than any of Plato's or Caesars works put together and multiplied by 10. Yet you don't question Caesars works. Second, the Bible can be proved through history and archaeology. There has not been a single archaeological find that disproves the Bibles claims. Third, there are several 3rd person accounts that verify Jesus' miracles and existance, and that he rose again on the third day.

Evolution requires that species grow over time, developing new features. One might call this macro evolution. And it is said that evolution took place over millions of years. If that was true, shouldn't there be just as many "transitional" fossils as there are normal ones? But this is not the case.

mrpasta

First, the Bible can be proved through its large amount of ancient manuscripts, which total to over 23,000: more copies than any of Plato's or Caesars works put together and multiplied by 10. Yet you don't question Caesars works. Second, the Bible can be proved through history and archaeology. There has not been a single archaeological find that disproves the Bibles claims. Third, there are several 3rd person accounts that verify Jesus' miracles and existance, and that he rose again on the third day.

Evolution requires that species grow over time, developing new features. One might call this macro evolution. And it is said that evolution took place over millions of years. If that was true, shouldn't there be just as many "transitional" fossils as there are normal ones? But this is not the case.

mrpasta

Your not providing any proof

First, the Bible can be proved through its large amount of ancient manuscripts, which total to over 23,000: more copies than any of Plato's or Caesars works put together and multiplied by 10. Yet you don't question Caesars works. Second, the Bible can be proved through history and archaeology. There has not been a single archaeological find that disproves the Bibles claims. Third, there are several 3rd person accounts that verify Jesus' miracles and existance, and that he rose again on the third day.

Evolution requires that species grow over time, developing new features. One might call this macro evolution. And it is said that evolution took place over millions of years. If that was true, shouldn't there be just as many "transitional" fossils as there are normal ones? But this is not the case.

mrpasta

You retain the burden of proof, hence the least you could do is actually provide observable evidence to buttress your claim, rather than just stating your claim again.

I'll go ahead and do the same for me:

(list courtesy of CptJSparrow)

Observed instances of speciation.
Neanderthal genome sequencing
Humans and Neanderthals shared Earth
Transitional fossil FAQ
Transitional fossils of hominid skulls
The Origin of Whales
List of transitional fossils
Hundreds of human genes still evolving
Human and ape chromosomes
Ken Miller talks about the evolution of blood clotting
Ken Miller on Whale Evolution
Ken Miller on Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District
Early Man Couldn't "Stomach" Milk
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution
Miller-Urey Experiment
The Flagellum Unspun
NASA: Nitrogen, lightning key to early life on Earth
NASA: Scientists Propose New Theory of Early Life on Earth
Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District
Purpose of Appendix Believed Found
Germs Get 'Badder' in Space
Common Ancestor of All Apes Walked Upright
Something Fishy About Human Fingers
Neanderthals Had Language Gene Identical to Ours
Early Humans used Makeup, Ate Seafood
Chimps as Irrationally Possessive as Humans
Earth's Oxygen-Rich Atmosphere Older Than Thought
Climate Change Didn't Kill Neanderthals
Early Humans Could Walk, Not Run
'Baby Talk' Universally Understood
Men With 'Caveman' Faces More Attractive to Women
Skull Suggests Two Early Human Species Existed at the Same Time
Intelligent Design on Trial
Are Mutations Harmful?
Introduction to Evolutionary Biology
Missing Link Between Fish and Land Animals
Precambrian Fossils
Permian-Triassic Extinction Event
Oldest Homo Sapiens Found, Experts Say
Neanderthals Not our Ancestors, DNA Study Suggests
Cannibalism Normal For Early Humans?
Neanderthals Had Highly Capable Hands, Study Suggests
Did Neanderthals Lack Smarts to Survive?
Java Skull Raises Questions about Human Origins
First Humans in Australia Dated to 50,000 Years Ago
1.8 Million Year-Old Hominid Jaw Found
When Did "Modern Behavior" in Humans Arise?
Fossil Implies Our Early Kin Lived in Trees
Skull Fossil Opens Window Into Early Period of Human Origins
Study Supports Idea That Primates, Dinosaurs Co-Existed
Evolution of the Horse
BBC: Evolution of Man
Darwin's Finches Evolving Fast
Velociraptor Had Feathers
Speciation
Understanding Evolution
Human Evolution - Skeletal Details
Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ
Demographic Histories of ERV-K in Humans, Chimpanzees, and Rhesus Monkeys
Uranium-Lead Dating
First Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Second Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Third Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Fourth Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Fifth Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Sixth Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Seventh Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Eighth Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Ninth Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Tenth Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Eleventh Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
The Twelfth Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
The Thirteenth Foundational Falsehood of Creationism
Bacteria Make Major Evolutionary Shift in the Lab
Discovery of UK's Newest Plant Species
Self-Replicating Molecules Reported by MIT

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Think about this logically.

First, the Bible can be proved through its large amount of ancient manuscripts, which total to over 23,000: more copies than any of Plato's or Caesars works put together and multiplied by 10. Yet you don't question Caesars works. Second, the Bible can be proved through history and archaeology. There has not been a single archaeological find that disproves the Bibles claims. Third, there are several 3rd person accounts that verify Jesus' miracles and existance, and that he rose again on the third day.

Evolution requires that species grow over time, developing new features. One might call this macro evolution. And it is said that evolution took place over millions of years. If that was true, shouldn't there be just as many "transitional" fossils as there are normal ones? But this is not the case.

Bourbons3

This, I mean do you honestly believe cows and dinosaurs existed at the same time? How's that or logic? Creationism is so easily discredited, even on this very basic level.

Or another really obvious, undeniable thing:

Every creation has a creator. Every invention has an inventor. Why should humans be any different?

I never said that evolution explained where we came from. But if it explains the diversity of life, then this statement still stands.

"And it is said that evolution took place over millions of years. If that was true, shouldn't there be just as many "transitional" fossils as there are normal ones? But this is not the case."

mrpasta

one could say divine evolution... god started it