Creation or Evolution?

Um, your definition agrees with me.:| Look at the first one again: "A person or thing that creates."

I can't stand it when people just point at the dictionary and act like life is a game of Scrabble. . .

Theokhoth

I can't stand it when people point out grammar errors to discredit an argument. *glances up*;)

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Um, your definition agrees with me.:| Look at the first one again: "A person or thing that creates."

I can't stand it when people just point at the dictionary and act like life is a game of Scrabble. . .

LJS9502_basic

I can't stand it when people point out grammar errors to discredit an argument. *glances up*;)

Are you ignoring that your definition agrees with me? Typically a Young Earth Creationist, when referring to a creator, means an instant or "quick" creation, when it doesn't need to be done quickly.

I didn't point out a grammar error to discredit an argument.:lol: He wasn't even making an argument!

Evolution, of course.

Both...they are not mutually exclusive.

LJS9502_basic

Evolution, of course.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Both...they are not mutually exclusive.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="felixlynch777"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BS, theyonly reason its treated like is proven because its the last hope for Atheistsmingo123

Evolution is not atheistic.

but atheists cling to it most

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Evolution, of course.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Both...they are not mutually exclusive.

Welkabonz

Are you ignoring that your definition agrees with me? Typically a Young Earth Creationist, when referring to a creator, means an instant or "quick" creation, when it doesn't need to be done quickly.

I didn't point out a grammar error to discredit an argument.:lol: He wasn't even making an argument!

Theokhoth

Your definition does not agree since you added the speed element to it.

Evolution, of course.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Both...they are not mutually exclusive.

Funky_Llama

Evolution is BSmingo123

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Are you ignoring that your definition agrees with me? Typically a Young Earth Creationist, when referring to a creator, means an instant or "quick" creation, when it doesn't need to be done quickly.

I didn't point out a grammar error to discredit an argument.:lol: He wasn't even making an argument!

LJS9502_basic

Your definition does not agree since you added the speed element to it.

As a Young Earth Creationist, which he obviously is, I inferred from his previous posts that he believes in a "speedy" creation.

The speed element has nothing to do with being physical or sentient.:| A non-sentient creator would probably take longer in its creation than a sentient one, but in any case, the two are separate statements.

Credit to talkorigins archive for this answer to the claim of evoultion being atheistic:

Claim CA602:

Evolution is atheistic.

Source:

Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, p. 215.

Response:

1. For a claim that is so obviously false, it gets repeated surprisingly often. Evolution does not require a God, but it does not rule one out either. In that respect, it is no different from almost all other fields of interest. Evolution is no more atheistic than biochemistry, farming, engineering, plumbing, art, law, and so forth.
   
   
2. Many, perhaps most, evolutionists are not atheists. If you take the claim seriously, you must claim that the following people are atheists, to give just a few examples:
   
   
   • Sir Ronald Fisher -- the most distinguished theoretical biologist in the history of evolutionary thought. He was also a Christian (a member of the Church of England) and a conservative whose social views were somewhere to the right of Louis XIV.
   • Pope John Paul II -- a social conservative.
   • Pierre Teilhard de Chardin -- a paleontologist and priest who taught that God guided evolution.
   • President Jimmy Carter -- a devout and active Southern Baptist.
   
   More than 10,000 clergy have signed a statement saying, in part, "We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests." (Clergy Letter Project 2005)
   
   
3. Anyone worried about atheism should be more concerned about creationism. Creationism can lead to a crisis of faith when people discover that its claims are false and its tactics frequently dishonest. This has led some people to abandon religion altogether (Greene n.d.). It has led others to a qualitatively different understanding of Christianity (Morton 2000).
   
   
4. By saying that only one religious interpretation is correct and universal, creationism typically is a rejection of every other religious interpretation. For example, young-earth creationists reject the religious interpretation that the universe is more than 10,000 years old (Sarfati 2004), and design theorists reject the idea that God has guided evolution (Dembski 1996). For people whose beliefs about God differ from those of a creationist, that creationism might just as well be atheistic.

Links:

NCSE. n.d. Voices for evolution: Statements from religious organizations. http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/5025_statements_from_religious_orga_12_19_2002.asp

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Evolution, of course.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Both...they are not mutually exclusive.

LJS9502_basic

I was wondering where you were Funky.felixlynch777

As a Young Earth Creationist, which he obviously is, I inferred from his previous posts that he believes in a "speedy" creation.

The speed element has nothing to do with being physical or sentient.:| A non-sentient creator would probably take longer in its creation than a sentient one, but in any case, the two are separate statements.

Theokhoth

Fine. But you had both parts of your sentence connected and as such using a logic analysis of your statement...it fails.

But creationism in the sense he meant - ie literal creation, sans evolution - is mutually exclusive with evolution.Funky_Llama

For example, we don't find half monkey half bird fossils

mrpasta

[QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BSFunky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] But creationism in the sense he meant - ie literal creation, sans evolution - is mutually exclusive with evolution.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BSHarshvardhan666

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] But creationism in the sense he meant - ie literal creation, sans evolution - is mutually exclusive with evolution.Funky_Llama

Oh my god not this topic agian!!!

This is for all of you:

Maybe god intended for evolution to happen....

there you go.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BSHarshvardhan666

I don't think that would be proof for mingo, he's a Muslim if I remember correctly. :P

[QUOTE="Harshvardhan666"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BSFunky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] But creationism in the sense he meant - ie literal creation, sans evolution - is mutually exclusive with evolution.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Harshvardhan666"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BSHarshvardhan666

[QUOTE="Harshvardhan666"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BSbsman00

....

Descriptive bestiality in the Bible?:lol:

[QUOTE="Harshvardhan666"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BSaliblabla2007

I don't think that would be proof for mingo, he's a Muslim if I remember correctly. :P

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Harshvardhan666"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BSHarshvardhan666

[QUOTE="bsman00"]

[QUOTE="Harshvardhan666"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BSTheokhoth

....

Descriptive bestiality in the Bible?:lol:

Mm, yes, but neither do you believe in creationism. So surely it would make sense to say 'theistic evolution'?Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="mrpasta"]

For example, we don't find half monkey half bird fossils

Funky_Llama

Man I'd like to see a half monkey half bird too.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="bsman00"]

[QUOTE="Harshvardhan666"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="mingo123"]Evolution is BSFunky_Llama

....

Descriptive bestiality in the Bible?:lol:

I'm guessing it meant the latter, ie advocation...Funky_Llama

Bestiality is explicitly forbidden in the Bible. . . in fact, that's the only time it's ever mentioned.

Evolution is just a theory

Creationism is just a theory

We don't know what the hell happened. There is no need for people to get offended over two theory's we know little about....

And don't contradict the other theory if you don't know anything about it..

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] Mm, yes, but neither do you believe in creationism. So surely it would make sense to say 'theistic evolution'?LJS9502_basic

Evolution is just a theory

Creationism is just a theory

We don't know what the hell happened. There is no need for people to get offended over two theory's we know little about....

And don't contradict the other theory if you don't know anything about it..

Gavinology

[QUOTE="Gavinology"]

Evolution is just a theory

Creationism is just a theory

We don't know what the hell happened. There is no need for people to get offended over two theory's we know little about....

And don't contradict the other theory if you don't know anything about it..

Funky_Llama

Please do explain how evolution is happening during present day??

Evolution is just a theory

Creationism is just a theory

We don't know what the hell happened. There is no need for people to get offended over two theory's we know little about....

And don't contradict the other theory if you don't know anything about it..

Gavinology

[QUOTE="Gavinology"]

Evolution is just a theory

Creationism is just a theory

We don't know what the hell happened. There is no need for people to get offended over two theory's we know little about....

And don't contradict the other theory if you don't know anything about it..

Funky_Llama

But evolution is wrong because it mucks up the whole christianity mindset.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I'm guessing it meant the latter, ie advocation...Theokhoth

Bestiality is explicitly forbidden in the Bible. . . in fact, that's the only time it's ever mentioned.

15And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.

16And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

A little harsh to prescribe the death penalty for humans for screwing animals and, bizarrely, for the animal for being screwed by a human. But there we are.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Gavinology"]

Evolution is just a theory

Creationism is just a theory

We don't know what the hell happened. There is no need for people to get offended over two theory's we know little about....

And don't contradict the other theory if you don't know anything about it..

euphzilla03

But evolution is wrong because it mucks up the whole christianity mindset.

Schema is a funny thing.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Gavinology"]

Evolution is just a theory

Creationism is just a theory

We don't know what the hell happened. There is no need for people to get offended over two theory's we know little about....

And don't contradict the other theory if you don't know anything about it..

Gavinology

Please do explain how evolution is happening during present day??

But evolution is wrong because it mucks up the whole christianity mindset.

euphzilla03

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Gavinology"]

Evolution is just a theory

Creationism is just a theory

We don't know what the hell happened. There is no need for people to get offended over two theory's we know little about....

And don't contradict the other theory if you don't know anything about it..

Gavinology

Please do explain how evolution is happening during present day??

look at our technology