@thebest31406 said:
@ronvalencia said:
@thebest31406 said:
Interim...they impeached the previous guys, yes? Were they sick? Yes it's interesting but not so much to where the US needs to get involved. That usually doesn't end well, as we know.
US should NOT have asked Ukraine to dump their nuclear weapons in exchange for keeping (2) Ukraine's territorial integrity.
If the US can't keep(2) Ukraine's territorial integrity, then US's territorial integrity agreements are useless.
Smaller non-nuclear armed nations should obtain their own nuclear defence options e.g. Japan, South Korea, Australia, Germany, Singapore, Poland, Spain, Canada, Sweden, Finland, Italy, Norway and 'etc' .
France is proven correct for having an independent nuclear defence option from the USA.
Reference and Notes
1. http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/the-ukraine-crisis-is-unsettling-decades-old-nuclear-weapons-agreements-20140312
http://www.npr.org/2014/03/09/288298641/the-role-of-1994-nuclear-agreement-in-ukraines-current-state
2. Ukraine should have asked USA's definition word play BS on "assurance" vs "guarantee".
3. You can thank the USSR version 2.0 for destroying the non-proliferation of nuclear weapon agreements.
Ahh...so that what this is all about. There had to be a reason behind the US's involvement - a real reason, not that dribble that Barry was expressing about international law.
The piece of paper that US president Bill Clinton, British Prime Minister John Major and Russian President Boris Yeltsin signed is worthless.
Barry's statements wasn't original e.g. http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2011/05/trilateral-process-pifer
From http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-explainer-budapest-memorandum/25280502.html
"Under the memorandum, Ukraine promised to remove all Soviet-era nuclear weapons from its territory, send them to disarmament facilities in Russia, and sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Ukraine kept these promises.
In return, Russia and the Western signatory countries essentially consecrated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine as an independent state. They did so by applying the principles of territorial integrity and nonintervention in 1975 Helsinki Final Act -- a Cold War-era treaty signed by 35 states including the Soviet Union -- to an independent post-Soviet Ukraine."
http://unterm.un.org/DGAACS/unterm.nsf/8fa942046ff7601c85256983007ca4d8/fa03e45d114224af85257b64007687e0?OpenDocument
One of the three Budapest Memorandums of 5 December 1994; was signed by the Presidents of Ukraine, Russian Federation and United States of America, and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in connection with the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. It provided national security assurances to Ukraine on behalf of those countries. Later, China and France joined its provisions in the form of individual statements. The Joint Declaration by the Russian Federation and the United States of America of 4 December 2009 confirmed the security guarantees for Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine that were set out in the Budapest Memorandums of 5 December 1994, the other two being:
Smaller nations like Ukraine should have kept their nukes i.e. independent nuclear weapon option just like France.
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