D. Morris: We should drug test every high school student

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I actually said "has" not "does."

bbkkristian

Many of the most successfuland powerful people in the world do drugs

Adrianstalker

I was talking about this. ^^

Gotcha. My apologies.

"We should waste lots of money."

fixed.

Okay... But That still wont convince me ever to do it. Then again, nothing will, i don't give in to peer pressure. I create my own paths in life, i don't need any stimulates, illusionate drugs or any type of drug to take control of my life.

bbkkristian

Look, most drug users (adults especially) aren't doing drugs because their friends are. A lot of people go through an experimental phase. It's part of growing up. Most of them turn out fine. Just as it is your choice to not use any drugs, it is their choice to use them. It doesn't make them any worse of a person than you. It doesn't make them any better. Drugs can be taken without being abused. You can have some drinks without being a reckless alcoholic.

On topic, I don't think highschool students should have required drug tests. Fundamentally, I think it is an invasion of privacy.

Money aside I honestly see nothing wrong with this if this were done specifically getting ok'd for governments loans through college finance... In the end it just wouldn't be feasible due to the immense cost.. sSubZerOo

If their grades are good and they are on their way to graduate then why should the government retract their loan for drug use?

A surpringly large number of people that would fail a drug test arent spending all their loan money on drugs and failing out of classes.

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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Could you link that to back it up? Does Obama do drugs?bbkkristian

He has smoked weed and admited it. I'm not gonna give you a link because I'm lazy, but google it.

I smoked weed throough out high school, I also got near all A's and am now doing fantastic in College. Most of my friends have the same story.

But you said "do" drugs as in the Present tense and they are currently doing it which baffled me. Its pretty hard to see nation leaders doing drugs. Very hard.

I thought like that when I was misinformed about drugs. (not saying you are)

I smoke too and I do well in school its all about moderation

I also do not give in to peer pressure and create my own paths, thats the way to go :D

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Money aside I honestly see nothing wrong with this if this were done specifically getting ok'd for governments loans through college finance... In the end it just wouldn't be feasible due to the immense cost.. xLFTMx

If their grades are good and they are on their way to graduate then why should the government retract their loan for drug use?

A surpringly large number of people that would fail a drug test arent spending all their loan money on drugs and failing out of classes.

Because they are breaking a law that the government set fourth? And we can argue the use of drugs has the possibility of radically changing their performance... Afterall these loans are meant to be paid back.. If we found some cheap way of doing this I would be all in favor of this.. Afterall they are not baring your way to the school, they are not allowing you to have college loans.. I would give a 6 month period afterwards to take another test for loans.. If passed ok.. But 9 to 12 months later would have them take another test.. This is of course drug tests cost nothing..

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Money aside I honestly see nothing wrong with this if this were done specifically getting ok'd for governments loans through college finance... In the end it just wouldn't be feasible due to the immense cost.. sSubZerOo

If their grades are good and they are on their way to graduate then why should the government retract their loan for drug use?

A surpringly large number of people that would fail a drug test arent spending all their loan money on drugs and failing out of classes.

Because they are breaking a law that the government set fourth? And we can argue the use of drugs has the possibility of radically changing their performance... Afterall these loans are meant to be paid back.. If we found some cheap way of doing this I would be all in favor of this.. Afterall they are not baring your way to the school, they are not allowing you to have college loans.. I would give a 6 month period afterwards to take another test for loans.. If passed ok.. But 9 to 12 months later would have them take another test.. This is of course drug tests cost nothing..

Then shouldn't that apply to breaking any law?

The key word there "possibly." Its not definite.

And the loans are meant to be paid back, and they will, or the students credit score will be crushed. Which is true of anyone, drug user or not.

It's just an exploratory phase for many people. Testing positive doesn't mean it's habitual or problematic, so what's it going to prove? Kids are prone to experimentation? Hardly a revelation really. Let 'em be – surely there are numerous other things warrant more concern than this…

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If their grades are good and they are on their way to graduate then why should the government retract their loan for drug use?

A surpringly large number of people that would fail a drug test arent spending all their loan money on drugs and failing out of classes.

xLFTMx

Because they are breaking a law that the government set fourth? And we can argue the use of drugs has the possibility of radically changing their performance... Afterall these loans are meant to be paid back.. If we found some cheap way of doing this I would be all in favor of this.. Afterall they are not baring your way to the school, they are not allowing you to have college loans.. I would give a 6 month period afterwards to take another test for loans.. If passed ok.. But 9 to 12 months later would have them take another test.. This is of course drug tests cost nothing..

Then shouldn't that apply to breaking any law?

The key word there "possibly." Its not definite.

And the loans are meant to be paid back, and they will, or the students credit score will be crushed. Which is true of anyone, drug user or not.

You have yet to explain to me why the government should ok student loans to the person who has failed drug test for an illegal substance. And colleges already enforce a code of conduct which can include breaking laws in and off campus depending on what it is.

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Because they are breaking a law that the government set fourth? And we can argue the use of drugs has the possibility of radically changing their performance... Afterall these loans are meant to be paid back.. If we found some cheap way of doing this I would be all in favor of this.. Afterall they are not baring your way to the school, they are not allowing you to have college loans.. I would give a 6 month period afterwards to take another test for loans.. If passed ok.. But 9 to 12 months later would have them take another test.. This is of course drug tests cost nothing..

sSubZerOo

Then shouldn't that apply to breaking any law?

The key word there "possibly." Its not definite.

And the loans are meant to be paid back, and they will, or the students credit score will be crushed. Which is true of anyone, drug user or not.

You have yet to explain to me why the government should ok student loans to the person who has failed drug test for an illegal substance. And colleges already enforce a code of conduct which can include breaking laws in and off campus depending on what it is.

Thats not the issue. Its illegal and near facist for the government to drug test every person they give aid to. Citizens have a right to privacy, and they have a right to the same privilages that all citizens can get.

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[QUOTE="xLFTMx"]

Then shouldn't that apply to breaking any law?

The key word there "possibly." Its not definite.

And the loans are meant to be paid back, and they will, or the students credit score will be crushed. Which is true of anyone, drug user or not.

xLFTMx

You have yet to explain to me why the government should ok student loans to the person who has failed drug test for an illegal substance. And colleges already enforce a code of conduct which can include breaking laws in and off campus depending on what it is.

Thats not the issue. Its illegal and near facist for the government to drug test every person they give aid to. Citizens have a right to privacy, and they have a right to the same privilages that all citizens can get.

This is more then aid though.. These are loans meant to be paid back.. Whenever you get a loan you have a background check.. Its quite simple... If people are going to continually take illegal substances and breaking the law.. Than yeah I think its certainly justifiable not to ok them for a loan til they stop doing that..

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You have yet to explain to me why the government should ok student loans to the person who has failed drug test for an illegal substance. And colleges already enforce a code of conduct which can include breaking laws in and off campus depending on what it is.

sSubZerOo

Thats not the issue. Its illegal and near facist for the government to drug test every person they give aid to. Citizens have a right to privacy, and they have a right to the same privilages that all citizens can get.

This is more then aid though.. These are loans meant to be paid back.. Whenever you get a loan you have a background check.. Its quite simple... If people are going to continually take illegal substances and breaking the law.. Than yeah I think its certainly justifiable not to ok them for a loan til they stop doing that..

I feel that as long as a person can prove themselves to be worthy of a loan, then minor victomless crimes shouldn't affect them trying to better themselves. I understand thats not the situation with current background checks, so thats just an opinion.

I'm more taking issue with the idea of drug testing anyone that applies for a loan even with no criminal history or history of drug abuse.

I don't see the problem.

I don't agree with this at all, I mean I think the majority of high school students do some kind of drug because I overhear a lot of their conversations and it's either about sex, drugs, alcohol, or smoking. I hate finding out a girl in my school smokes, really turns me off towards that girl for some reason, it's the same thing with drugs and alcohol, it just depresses me.

Sounds like he's getting paychecks from the drug-test industry. ;)KHAndAnime

Tobacco and beer/liquor companies, more likely.

yeah, bill gates never should've gotten a loan or any aid.

:lol: just :lol:

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[QUOTE="xLFTMx"]

Thats not the issue. Its illegal and near facist for the government to drug test every person they give aid to. Citizens have a right to privacy, and they have a right to the same privilages that all citizens can get.

xLFTMx

This is more then aid though.. These are loans meant to be paid back.. Whenever you get a loan you have a background check.. Its quite simple... If people are going to continually take illegal substances and breaking the law.. Than yeah I think its certainly justifiable not to ok them for a loan til they stop doing that..

I feel that as long as a person can prove themselves to be worthy of a loan, then minor victomless crimes shouldn't affect them trying to better themselves. I understand thats not the situation with current background checks, so thats just an opinion.

I'm more taking issue with the idea of drug testing anyone that applies for a loan even with no criminal history or history of drug abuse.

I would agree if this were any other loan, but its one by the government.

yes! they should have this , by law

And pray telll, how exactly does he plan to fund all these drug tests?

Why not drug test anyone getting welfare/foodstamps or any type of government aid?AutoPilotOn