Dear Mods, this long derailed crazy thread needs a lock please :) Thank you

Like a full list of active spies and addresses.

Sagem28

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Such a shame, this guy was doing great work.
However, he stated that if anything should happen to him a document will be released with all the information he had, things that haven't even been posted yet. Like a full list of active spies and addresses.

Sagem28

It is blackmail.
But if it's either that or your life I think the choice is made pretty quickly.

[QUOTE="jediknight52501"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] Well according to your narrow view of reality I guess I am a terrorist living in the US. I support Assangetestfactor888

There is no absolute freedom...LJS9502_basic

Agreed. A lot of people seem to think the Bill of Rights is absolute, but SCOTUS has set limitations and exceptions to free speech.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] There is no absolute freedom...topsemag55

Agreed. A lot of people seem to think the Bill of Rights is absolute, but SCOTUS has set limitations and exceptions to free speech.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] There is no absolute freedom...Danm_999

Agreed. A lot of people seem to think the Bill of Rights is absolute, but SCOTUS has set limitations and exceptions to free speech.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]

Agreed. A lot of people seem to think the Bill of Rights is absolute, but SCOTUS has set limitations and exceptions to free speech.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="testfactor888"] For what crime did Assange commit that Holder could have against him that would even allow him to be extradited in the first place. Make a concrete case to how you think an extradition could ever happen of him to the US. State the laws he has broken.topsemag55

It's hilarious how the left in OT want Assange to go free, yet Obama wants him tried.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday the Obama administration was considering using laws in addition to the U.S. Espionage Act to possibly prosecute the release of government information by WikiLeaks.

This means they will use the Espionage Act, the United States Code, plus any case law. It won't be hard at all.

But don't worry, we'll give him a lawyer, since PayPal froze $80K - damn, PayPal is so cool to have done that.:)

All Holder has to do is draw up the charges, and make a formal extradition request to Sweden. Sweden will do it as long as we promise not to strap him to Gumby.:P:lol:

[QUOTE="GTA_fan999"][QUOTE="jediknight52501"]see i am starting to think Wikileaks needs to be shut down, i had family serve in the Military and seeing them in danger is never a good thing, maybe he needs to spend a few years in jail or maybe he should go to where the real dnager is, The Middle East and Korea.OBLOK

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] The Bill of Rights and the US Supreme Court don't exactly have jurisdiction over foreign nationals though, do they? And even if they did, isn't the impetus here to prosecute the individual who made the leaks, not whom the leak was made to?Danm_999

Australia is still investigating.

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People that don't want it shut down are hoping enough information gets out so to make US security more vulnerable to foreign attacks. If you ever talk to someone that supports Wikileaks, be assured that this is their main motivation for supporting Julian Assange.

Palantas

I support Assange because he is exposing the corruption in the U.S government and the people have the right to know, seeing as you support the government so much and not the people, clearly you must be Anti-American, just like the terrorists. :roll:

Personally, I think Assange is an attention-seeker. At the same time, I don't think he's that big a deal, nor does he carry all the blame in this. If you're appalled that this material got out, then be mad at the person(s) in the government/military who gave it to Assange. If Assange didn't publicize it, some other wanna-be celebrity would have.

In regards to what he's doing, I think there's a middle ground when it comes to secrecy. People, organizations, and governments have to have secrets. You cannot have governmental integrity while also having complete transparency. Now, as to whether or not Assange has crossed the line, I really don't know. I haven't conducted a serious survey of the material on Wikileaks, and I don't anyone else in this thread has either. I've heard in the news that some of the material released could be used to identify local operatives in the Middle East. If so, that's irresponsible.

This vendetta against Assange shows just how driven by paranoia Americans are.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Freedom in other countries is limited as well.....sometimes more so. I don't get the disagreement here....topsemag55

Australia is still investigating.

Also wouldn't the people helping him simply take over? Just how they try taking down the main guys behind TPB and it still keeps on truckin?X360PS3AMD05

The guy is an attention whore. I also am not a big fan of illresponsibly releasing classified documents. Maybe a lot of the stuff is harmless, but if even one undercover operative or soldier in the Middle East is put at risk over this, then it sure as hell wasn't worth it in my opinion. I come from a military family, so I guess I see things from a different perspective than a lot of people, but anything that puts our troops (and those that work for the various intel agencies) at risk I'm against.

Like a full list of active spies and addresses.

Sagem28

I doubt he would release that kind of information. I'm pretty sure the US govt would kill him to prevent that from getting out (or have him shipped off to a black site in the middle-east and never be seen again).

But I wouldn't blame my leaders on that, the first amendment is not unlimited.

It makes me sad that so many people on this thread seem to think the US is this horrible pathetic excuse for a country. We're not perfect (nothing ever has nor ever will be perfect) but I still think this is a damn good country. Despite some mistakes we make sometimes, there is a reason people all of the world would LOVE the opportunity to come here.

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Like a full list of active spies and addresses.

VaguelyTagged

That list will only be made public in the case he gets harmed physically.

If you believe what this rapist creep is doing is about freedom of speech and information, you're delusional and quite misinformed.

It's no different than if somebody gave the Nazis the plan for the Normandy invasion and all the secrets of the allies during the war.

It you support Assange, you support terrorism. That's what I will tell everyone that comes to his defense.

[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"][QUOTE="Sagem28"]

Like a full list of active spies and addresses.

Sagem28

That list will only be made public in the case he gets harmed physically.

If this is true, it just shows him for the scumbag he is. There is NO reason why undercover agents who serve our country should be put at risk because of whatever political or personal agenda this guy has. I don't see how anyone, no matter if you support Wikileaks or not, can support this sort of blackmail.

. Like a full list of active spies and addresses.

Sagem28

It makes me sad that so many people on this thread seem to think the US is this horrible pathetic excuse for a country. We're not perfect (nothing ever has nor ever will be perfect) but I still think this is a damn good country. Despite some mistakes we make sometimes, there is a reason people all of the world would LOVE the opportunity to come here.

darktx2005

All the world? Not really. ;)

It's no different than if somebody gave the Nazis the plan for the Normandy invasion and all the secrets of the allies during the war.

It you support Assange, you support terrorism. That's what I will tell everyone that comes to his defense.

GTA_fan999

[QUOTE="GTA_fan999"]It's no different than if somebody gave the Nazis the plan for the Normandy invasion and all the secrets of the allies during the war.

It you support Assange, you support terrorism. That's what I will tell everyone that comes to his defense.

Danm_999

[QUOTE="darktx2005"]

It makes me sad that so many people on this thread seem to think the US is this horrible pathetic excuse for a country. We're not perfect (nothing ever has nor ever will be perfect) but I still think this is a damn good country. Despite some mistakes we make sometimes, there is a reason people all of the world would LOVE the opportunity to come here.

pspdseagle

All the world? Not really. ;)

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

Such a shame, this guy was doing great work.
However, he stated that if anything should happen to him a document will be released with all the information he had, things that haven't even been posted yet. Like a full list of active spies and addresses.

ayanami_rei

not really

"Blackmail is the act of threatening to reveal substantially true information about a person to the public, a family member, or associates unless a demand is met"

its the opposite, hes doing it in case something happens to him, so it dosent fit with the definition of blackmail. Its safty precautions

[QUOTE="GTA_fan999"]It's no different than if somebody gave the Nazis the plan for the Normandy invasion and all the secrets of the allies during the war.

It you support Assange, you support terrorism. That's what I will tell everyone that comes to his defense.

Danm_999

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[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"] really?that doesn't sound like something that ppl need to know the truth about.if that's truth i'm not gonna support this guy anymore.:|,it just puts some lives in danger and that's that,what good such disclosure could possibly do?darktx2005

That list will only be made public in the case he gets harmed physically.

If this is true, it just shows him for the scumbag he is. There is NO reason why undercover agents who serve our country should be put at risk because of whatever political or personal agenda this guy has. I don't see how anyone, no matter if you support Wikileaks or not, can support this sort of blackmail.

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[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"] really?that doesn't sound like something that ppl need to know the truth about.if that's truth i'm not gonna support this guy anymore.:|,it just puts some lives in danger and that's that,what good such disclosure could possibly do?darktx2005

That list will only be made public in the case he gets harmed physically.

If this is true, it just shows him for the scumbag he is. There is NO reason why undercover agents who serve our country should be put at risk because of whatever political or personal agenda this guy has. I don't see how anyone, no matter if you support Wikileaks or not, can support this sort of blackmail.

Don't get me wrong, I am strongly against this action !

However, I understand why he would do it. He said it's his life insurance. This information was never posted to protect the individuals whom it may concern, such as spiesand also military personel. Should he get killed, an encryption key will be released to open this document and making it public.

Good I'm happy that terroist is behind bars

If you believe what this rapist creep is doing is about freedom of speech and information, you're delusional and quite misinformed.

It's no different than if somebody gave the Nazis the plan for the Normandy invasion and all the secrets of the allies during the war.

It you support Assange, you support terrorism. That's what I will tell everyone that comes to his defense.

GTA_fan999

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[QUOTE="GTA_fan999"]It's no different than if somebody gave the Nazis the plan for the Normandy invasion and all the secrets of the allies during the war.

It you support Assange, you support terrorism. That's what I will tell everyone that comes to his defense.

darktx2005

[QUOTE="conistant"]Wait wait wait wait. The guy got arrested cause he didn't use a condom???????ayanami_rei

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. Like a full list of active spies and addresses.

l4dak47

[QUOTE="darktx2005"]

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That list will only be made public in the case he gets harmed physically.

Danm_999

If this is true, it just shows him for the scumbag he is. There is NO reason why undercover agents who serve our country should be put at risk because of whatever political or personal agenda this guy has. I don't see how anyone, no matter if you support Wikileaks or not, can support this sort of blackmail.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Sagem28"]

. Like a full list of active spies and addresses.

testfactor888

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="darktx2005"]

If this is true, it just shows him for the scumbag he is. There is NO reason why undercover agents who serve our country should be put at risk because of whatever political or personal agenda this guy has. I don't see how anyone, no matter if you support Wikileaks or not, can support this sort of blackmail.

darktx2005

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"] If he does that, then he's crossed the line. Now he's a real enemy, and I would propose executing him and shutting down the website. At that point, he's not covered by the freedom of press or speech. l4dak47

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"] If he does that, then he's crossed the line. Now he's a real enemy, and I would propose executing him and shutting down the website. At that point, he's not covered by the freedom of press or speech. l4dak47

What about BP? Something about the oil spill?

What about BP? Something about the oil spill?

darktx2005