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#1 GRAW2597
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I'm just wondering if they have decided if they will have this for people who are involved in terrorist organizations or crimes, cause I heard that they were talking about it. If anyone knows the answer it would really help cause I have to write a paper and it has to do with some of this.
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#2 zarkon9
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in your paper you will likely be talking about the "gitmo 5".

there has been little media publicity about them that i know of. they are the first people who are going to be tried in new york city in regard to the september 11th, 2001... terrorist attacks.

they will get the death penalty, hands down. i thought they should have been tried in the middle east or somewhere else besides the united states where it has been the cause of controversy. it is sad that they will likelydie because i do doubt whether they had anything to do with the attacks. sarah palin was calling for an independent investigation into the attacks... that has not happened. conspiracy theories have been thrown around online the day after the attacks to this day. many of them are actually credible. i do not know the debunked theories, however.

it has been a long hard road since 2001 including all the human rights abuses that have gone on. obama is continuing these abuses.

i hope i have helped you somehow.

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#3 Zerkrender
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I don't know, if people who kill and rape don't get the death penalty I don't see any reason why terrorists should.
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#4 th3warr1or
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I don't know, if people who kill and rape don't get the death penalty I don't see any reason why terrorists should.Zerkrender
That's because people who kill and rape SHOULD.
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#5 Zerkrender
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[QUOTE="Zerkrender"]I don't know, if people who kill and rape don't get the death penalty I don't see any reason why terrorists should.th3warr1or
That's because people who kill and rape SHOULD.

I completely agree. But a couple months ago someone made a thread if people who have raped should, the TC and over half of the people in the thread disagreed. Apparently you're suppose to feel sorry for the person who were so mentally insane or just plain violent enough to rape someone cause 'he'll feel sorry when he learns what he has done' and not the victims of the rape.
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Zerkrender"]I don't know, if people who kill and rape don't get the death penalty I don't see any reason why terrorists should.Zerkrender
That's because people who kill and rape SHOULD.

I completely agree. But a couple months ago someone made a thread if people who have raped should, the TC and over half of the people in the thread disagreed. Apparently you're suppose to feel sorry for the person who were so mentally insane or just plain violent enough to rape someone cause 'he'll feel sorry when he learns what he has done' and not the victims of the rape.

That person was me... I was the TC lol.
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#7 Zerkrender
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Zerkrender"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] That's because people who kill and rape SHOULD.

I completely agree. But a couple months ago someone made a thread if people who have raped should, the TC and over half of the people in the thread disagreed. Apparently you're suppose to feel sorry for the person who were so mentally insane or just plain violent enough to rape someone cause 'he'll feel sorry when he learns what he has done' and not the victims of the rape.

That person was me... I was the TC lol.

:shock: :? :oops: I could had sworn that you defended them along with half the people of the thread. My sister told me I remember things way worst than they actually were. I see now she's probably right. :P
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#8 Miyomatic
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I think they do deserve the death penalty. It's either them or us.

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#9 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="Zerkrender"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Zerkrender"] I completely agree. But a couple months ago someone made a thread if people who have raped should, the TC and over half of the people in the thread disagreed. Apparently you're suppose to feel sorry for the person who were so mentally insane or just plain violent enough to rape someone cause 'he'll feel sorry when he learns what he has done' and not the victims of the rape.

That person was me... I was the TC lol.

:shock: :? :oops: I could had sworn that you defended them along with half the people of the thread. My sister told me I remember things way worst than they actually were. I see now she's probably right. :P

Well then maybe it's another thread. In the one I made everyone was against me lol.
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#10 GrandJury
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Terrorist deserve it, rapist deserve it and cold blooded murderers deserve it.
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#11 JustPlainLucas
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Why keep someone alive who kills hundreds or thousands of people? :?
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#12 chessmaster1989
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No, I don't support the death penalty for terrorists, nor for anyone for that matter. Lock them up for life without parole.
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No, I don't support the death penalty for terrorists, nor for anyone for that matter. Lock them up for life without parole.chessmaster1989
Yeah, pretty much that.
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in your paper you will likely be talking about the "gitmo 5".

there has been little media publicity about them that i know of. they are the first people who are going to be tried in new york city in regard to the september 11th, 2001... terrorist attacks.

they will get the death penalty, hands down. i thought they should have been tried in the middle east or somewhere else besides the united states where it has been the cause of controversy. it is sad that they will likelydie because i do doubt whether they had anything to do with the attacks. sarah palin was calling for an independent investigation into the attacks... that has not happened. conspiracy theories have been thrown around online the day after the attacks to this day. many of them are actually credible. i do not know the debunked theories, however.

it has been a long hard road since 2001 including all the human rights abuses that have gone on. obama is continuing these abuses.

i hope i have helped you somehow.

zarkon9

Doesn't that seem like a serious problem that we kill people when we have doubt they are the perps?

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#15 D_Battery
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I think they do deserve the death penalty. It's either them or us.

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#16 battlefront23
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Life imprisonment makes them spend their life dwelling on what they've done.

Sounds like more of a punishment to me...

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#17 Miyomatic
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[QUOTE="Miyomatic"]

I think they do deserve the death penalty. It's either them or us.

D_Battery

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Exactly. Lets save the ones who care about humanity, and destroy the ones who dont think beyond their own personal gain.

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#18 D_Battery
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Exactly. Lets save the ones who care about humanity, and destroy the ones who dont think beyond their own personal gain.

Miyomatic

Terrorism for personal gain? That's a bit absurd. What are the terrorists getting out of it, notoriety? And what about suicide bombing: can you really make a convincing argument besides maybe "martyrdom" for that being an instance of personal gain?

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#19 Miyomatic
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[QUOTE="Miyomatic"]

Exactly. Lets save the ones who care about humanity, and destroy the ones who dont think beyond their own personal gain.

D_Battery

Terrorism for personal gain? That's a bit absurd.

Absurd? Yes, I would agree that expecting to go to a Heaven where a bunch of virgins are waiting to reward you for your "heroic" acts is a bit absurd.

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#20 Zerkrender
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[QUOTE="Miyomatic"]

I think they do deserve the death penalty. It's either them or us.

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So was Stalin.
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#21 D_Battery
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[QUOTE="Miyomatic"]

Absurd? Yes, I would agree that expecting to go to a Heaven where a bunch of virgins are waiting to reward you for your "heroic" acts is a bit absurd.

Implying that terrorism stems purely from a desire for personal gain while omitting any mention of the political factors lying behind it is equally absurd.
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#22 jetpower3
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Go ahead. Some people are simply too dangerous to be kept alive. But remember: many terrorists and insurgents do what they do simply for economic reasons. About 70% of the Taliban fighters in Afghanistan are fighting to be paid. Families of suicide bombers are also known to be paid fair amounts of money (relatively speaking). I'd worry less about executing a few high profile leaders than I would about combating this other problem. Isolating the hardcore from the rest with economic incentives, opportunity, and education is what I believe to be a key strategy in taking down these organizations.

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#23 Miyomatic
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[QUOTE="Miyomatic"]

Absurd? Yes, I would agree that expecting to go to a Heaven where a bunch of virgins are waiting to reward you for your "heroic" acts is a bit absurd.

D_Battery

Implying that terrorism stems purely from a desire for personal gain while omitting any mention of the political factors lying behind it is equally absurd.

So if I fly planes into buildings and kill thousands of innocents, its NOT absurd for me to think I'll go to Heaven where virgins await me???

Some people need to stop playing culture police. :?

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#24 Zerkrender
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I just want the war to be over with. I vote that we either... A) Pull out and shut up about it. B) Pull out, nuke'em, then shut up about it. I prefer B myself. :P But some people may disagree.
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#25 D_Battery
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So if I fly planes into buildings and kill thousands of innocents, its NOT absurd for me to think I'll go to Heaven where virgins await me???

Some people need to stop playing culture police. :?

Miyomatic

I don't see how any of that relates to what I wrote. I didn't say it wasn't absurd and I'm not playing "culture police" (whatever that means) – I'm certainly not justifying terrorism through cultural relativism if that's what you meant. I said it's ridiculous to say that terrorism is fuelled primarily by personal gain.

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#26 psychobrew
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Why not? It all comes down to survival of the fitest, and they are trying to do the same to us.
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#27 MrGeezer
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Why keep someone alive who kills hundreds or thousands of people? :?JustPlainLucas

I strongly doubt that being a "terrorist" requires killing "hundreds or thousands of people".

By extension, I'm not exactly sure that being a "terrorist" requires killing ANYONE. Nor merely PLANNING to kill anyone.

And I do indeed take objection to giving the death penalty to those who have not killed anyone, and have not ATTEMPTED to kill anyone.

So...what exactly is a "terrorist"? Honestly, that word gets thrown around so much that I don't even know what it means. If terrorists should or should not get the death penalty just for being or not being terrorists, then what exactly IS a terrorist?

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#28 Link256
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Same reason I do not believe in death penalty for the general population: I do not agree with it morally, and depending on the person, wrongful sentencing.

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#29 Snipes_2
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Terrorists, Pedophiles, Serial Killers, Rapists, Gang Members. Gang Members are the only ones that I'll consider changing their ways.

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#30 l4dak47
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If they have been convicted then I could care less if they get shot in the head on the streets. That's what happens when you mess with the U.S.

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#31 Osaka-06
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The death penalty disgusts me. The state shouldn't have the authority to exterminate it's own citizens, or any other person for that matter, unless we're talking about a war-situation.

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#32 bobbetybob
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I think they do deserve the death penalty. It's either them or us.

Miyomatic
I imagine it's fairly difficult to orchestrate terrorist activities in a maximum security prison wing...
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#33 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Lock them in prison for life.. Death peanlty is a waste of time and resources, and no one "deserves" anything.. You are convicted and what not.. When justice starts becoming about what a person "deserves" it goes down a slippery slope.
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#34 -Sun_Tzu-
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Not only am I against the death penalty for moral reasons, but the last thing that we should do is make terrorists martyrs.
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#35 Zerkrender
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Lock them in prison for life.. Death peanlty is a waste of time and resources, and no one "deserves" anything.. You are convicted and what not.. When justice starts becoming about what a person "deserves" it goes down a slippery slope.sSubZerOo
You're right, no one deserves anything, not even to be locked up for life. Let's just let them be and do what they want. I also like your logic; now that I think about it, it does take less resources to feed someone for life than putting one bullet in his head, donating the organs, and cremating the remains.
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I dont know what the terrorists are told before they commit their terror crimes ( i am assuming this is like 9/11 terrorists we are talking about.. LIKE.. Unless we are talking about the IRA too...) BUT from what I understand, killing them is basically giving them EXACTLY what they want, isnt it? Yanno.. cliche 10000 virgins or something like that? (I am not trying to be offensive to any Muslims out there, so please, dont take offense to that, it is kind of what we are told *shrugs*) ... yanno suicide bombers dont exactly expect to be walking away from it. I say keep them alive, in solitary, alone with their thoughts, in the dark, for the rest of their natural lives.
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Feed them to the tigers, they can die without fulfilling their cause.
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[QUOTE="zarkon9"]

in your paper you will likely be talking about the "gitmo 5".

there has been little media publicity about them that i know of. they are the first people who are going to be tried in new york city in regard to the september 11th, 2001... terrorist attacks.

they will get the death penalty, hands down. i thought they should have been tried in the middle east or somewhere else besides the united states where it has been the cause of controversy. it is sad that they will likelydie because i do doubt whether they had anything to do with the attacks. sarah palin was calling for an independent investigation into the attacks... that has not happened. conspiracy theories have been thrown around online the day after the attacks to this day. many of them are actually credible. i do not know the debunked theories, however.

it has been a long hard road since 2001 including all the human rights abuses that have gone on. obama is continuing these abuses.

i hope i have helped you somehow.

Pixel-Pirate

Doesn't that seem like a serious problem that we kill people when we have doubt they are the perps?

what? i do not understand.

i know this. i suspect these al-qaeda terrorists are being used as scapegoats by the united states government. former foreign secretary jack strawfor the united kingdom said himself al-qaeda does not exist. 60 minutes said some months ago that osama bin laden has not been seen in seven years. i believe he is dead and the information is being withheld all the way from the top, the white house.

i do not know about we, but i know about i. i do doubt they are the perpetrators because i have seen credible theories that the united states government are really the evil-doers, not them. whether i am right or wrong, i do not know for sure... noone really does except the united states government. a government that has been called "the great satan" by osama bin laden.

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I'm just wondering if they have decided if they will have this for people who are involved in terrorist organizations or crimes, cause I heard that they were talking about it. If anyone knows the answer it would really help cause I have to write a paper and it has to do with some of this.GRAW2597

Google search it. Look up past presidential policies. Current situation with detained terrorists. Those are just a few hints. Another one would bea past situation where Obama wanted the 9/11 co-conspirators wanted to be tried in the states.

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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Why keep someone alive who kills hundreds or thousands of people? :?MrGeezer

I strongly doubt that being a "terrorist" requires killing "hundreds or thousands of people".

By extension, I'm not exactly sure that being a "terrorist" requires killing ANYONE. Nor merely PLANNING to kill anyone.

And I do indeed take objection to giving the death penalty to those who have not killed anyone, and have not ATTEMPTED to kill anyone.

So...what exactly is a "terrorist"? Honestly, that word gets thrown around so much that I don't even know what it means. If terrorists should or should not get the death penalty just for being or not being terrorists, then what exactly IS a terrorist?

look it up... http://www.m-w.com ...

but i believe a terrorist is someone who causes terror in public places whether it be withany means ofviolence. behind them is a motive such as a political or religious objective.

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I don't know, if people who kill and rape don't get the death penalty I don't see any reason why terrorists should.Zerkrender
I don't know. I'm against it, but if they are planning on becoming a suicide bomber, I think executing them wouldn't hurt so they won't try it anywhere else...>.>
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#42 zarkon9
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I don't know, if people who kill and rape don't get the death penalty I don't see any reason why terrorists should.Zerkrender

but if they are the "gitmo 5". they could be innocent.

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#43 Barbariser
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No. The severity of the crime, or how much they "deserve it" (this a form of judgment that is completely and utterly based upon emotional reactions, by the way, and as such it is inadmissible) doesn't matter. If you can't prove that a person is guilty beyond doubt then you shouldn't issue a punishment that you can't reverse - and it's impossible to prove that a person is guilty beyond all doubt. Simple as that.

There is only one practical benefit for the death penalty over life imprisonment, and that's the fact that it empties a few prison cells here and there over time. Big deal. The effect is something you could replicate on a far larger scale in a far shorter time by legalizing prostitution or drugs. The death penalty hasn't been proven to lower crimerates, and you have two options with finances - apply a highly intense form of due process to narrow down your criminals (which costs a dozen times as much as life imprisonment) or skip all that and start indiscriminately killing a crapload of innocent people. The death penalty doesn't offer us anything except for a lose-lose situation.

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#44 Desulated
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If they were prepared to kill and die in the process I don't see why not...

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I just want the war to be over with. I vote that we either... A) Pull out and shut up about it. B) Pull out, nuke'em, then shut up about it. I prefer B myself. :P But some people may disagree. Zerkrender

If you want to die, you can do it without taking the rest of the world.

Nuking a defenseless country would get us either A. utterly destroyed by the rest of the world. The US isn't an invincible juggernaut. B. Get us basically exiled from the rest of the world C. End the world.

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#46 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Miyomatic"]

I think they do deserve the death penalty. It's either them or us.

bobbetybob

I imagine it's fairly difficult to orchestrate terrorist activities in a maximum security prison wing...

Gang leaders are able to fully operate their gangs from behind bars, so not really, no.

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#47 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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I don't know. I don't believe any US citizens should because of the possibility of being wrong, but I'm not sure how I feel about enemy leaders.
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#48 zarkon9
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besides terrorists, many gangsters think they know better and dish out what is called street justice. if one of them raped, then they will get the support of their peers all the way. if one of them kills, there could be a war between gangs.

i know. i live in a neighbourhood where street justice comes first before the law, which should not be suprising given what everyone knows. street justice came first so much oncethat the police even joined in andused police brutality ona man until he died from his injuries. they are corrupt.

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#50 Famiking
Member since 2009 • 4879 Posts

Terrorists should get it worse. It's mass murder x100. I don't think rapists should get the death penalty though, it's a pretty minor crime compared to murder/mass murder/terrorism.