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#1 m25105
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I found this awesome 4 minute long video, that explains point and blank why Ron Paul's assessment about why the U.S. was attacked is correct.

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#2 Saturos3091
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Neocons are what's killing the Republican party. I think everyone except for them knows it.

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#3 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Another one? We saw this in the other thread.

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#4 trialxerror
Member since 2010 • 431 Posts

What's all this talk about Fox News?

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gamespot hates fox news

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#6 fidosim
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Neocons are what's killing the Republican party. I think everyone except for them knows it.

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Ignorant, myopic, nativist zealots are killing the Republican Party, and Ron Paul is one of the leaders of that particular faction.
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#7 weezyfb
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That party is indeed messed up
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#8 ZumaJones07
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gamespot hates fox news

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I prefer them to other news stations. It's so dynamic.
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#9 Pirate700
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So if you didn't like the comment, it makes you a neocon?

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#10 GreySeal9
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While neocons are pretty simple minded on this issue, I think they are preferable to Ron Paul in general and even in on matters of foreign policy.

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#11 mingmao3046
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Ron Paul is the Galileo of this time....right now many people think he is crazy. In 100 years everyone will look back and realize he was right all along, but it will be much too late by then.
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Ron Paul is the Galileo of this time....right now many people think he is crazy. In 100 years everyone will look back and realize he was right all along, but it will be much too late by then.mingmao3046

no. please dont compare the father of modern science to ron paul. (nothing against ron paul. but hes no galileo)

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#13 The_Capitalist
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While neocons are pretty simple minded on this issue, I think they are preferable to Ron Paul in general and even in on matters of foreign policy.

GreySeal9

While I do not support a number of Ron Paul's positions on foreign policies, are neocons any better? They waste too much money on military intervention instead of building a stronger country at home.

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#14 mingmao3046
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]Ron Paul is the Galileo of this time....right now many people think he is crazy. In 100 years everyone will look back and realize he was right all along, but it will be much too late by then.blackacidevil96

no. please dont compare the father of modern science to ron paul. (nothing against ron paul. but hes no galileo)

well he is the only politician that is making sense...
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Ron Paul is the Galileo of this time....right now many people think he is crazy. In 100 years everyone will look back and realize he was right all along, but it will be much too late by then.mingmao3046
eh no, he's just really radical and really charismatic.

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Ron Paul is the Galileo of this time....right now many people think he is crazy. In 100 years everyone will look back and realize he was right all along, but it will be much too late by then.mingmao3046
The irony of this statement is that if Ron Paul (or really any other Republican frontrunner) was alive back in Galileo's time they would be in the group telling him to destroy his research. Also differing in that Galileo was right and Ron Paul...isn't.
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The irony of this statement is that if Ron Paul (or really any other Republican frontrunner) was alive back in Galileo's time they would be in the group telling him to destroy his research. Also differing in that Galileo was right and Ron Paul...isn't.Ace6301

Umm, Ron isn't exactly Galileo, but I don't quite get the destroying research remark. Seems a wee bit authoritarian for his tastes.

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#18 tidusjeff
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And somehow no mention of andrew breitbarts neo con bias or his websites bias. Plus to be fair, fox news has a strong social conservative bias.
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]Ron Paul is the Galileo of this time....right now many people think he is crazy. In 100 years everyone will look back and realize he was right all along, but it will be much too late by then.Ace6301

The irony of this statement is that if Ron Paul (or really any other Republican frontrunner) was alive back in Galileo's time they would be in the group telling him to destroy his research.

Also differing in that Galileo was right and Ron Paul...isn't.

It's funny because based on the argument he presented, your response, and the political ideology of Ron Paul; you would be the one telling Galileo to destroy his research and Ron Paul would be the guy saying, "let him do as he pleases."

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]Ron Paul is the Galileo of this time....right now many people think he is crazy. In 100 years everyone will look back and realize he was right all along, but it will be much too late by then.ChampionoChumps

The irony of this statement is that if Ron Paul (or really any other Republican frontrunner) was alive back in Galileo's time they would be in the group telling him to destroy his research.

Also differing in that Galileo was right and Ron Paul...isn't.

It's funny because based on the argument he presented, your response, and the political ideology of Ron Paul; you would be the one telling Galileo to destroy his research and Ron Paul would be the guy saying, "let him do as he pleases."

I was about to say something like this lol.

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#21 EsYuGee
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Ron Paul is the Galileo of this time....right now many people think he is crazy. In 100 years everyone will look back and realize he was right all along, but it will be much too late by then.mingmao3046

Um, no. Rick Perry is the Galileo of his time. You'll see in 100 years. Global warming, evolution. It's all a farce I tell ya. bwahaha.

[sarcasm, of course]

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#22 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

While neocons are pretty simple minded on this issue, I think they are preferable to Ron Paul in general and even in on matters of foreign policy.

The_Capitalist

While I do not support a number of Ron Paul's positions on foreign policies, are neocons any better? They waste too much money on military intervention instead of building a stronger country at home.

The thing is, Ron Paul is not likely to build a stronger country at home as he wants to dismantle government in a major way.

The neocons don't go as far in this direction and I just find Ron Paul to be so naive and ideologically stubborn that I wouldn't trust him in foreign affairs.

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#23 spawnassasin
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gamespot hates fox news

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Why did that video leave out that the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan and the people there were just trying to get them out? The video leaves out a lot of information, including that the US was in Afghanistan before Bin Laden got there and that the Iraq war was a UN supported war involving more than one nation. The video is WAY to vague to be taken seriously.
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]The irony of this statement is that if Ron Paul (or really any other Republican frontrunner) was alive back in Galileo's time they would be in the group telling him to destroy his research. Also differing in that Galileo was right and Ron Paul...isn't.coolbeans90

Umm, Ron isn't exactly Galileo, but I don't quite get the destroying research remark. Seems a wee bit authoritarian for his tastes.

Ron Paul is a bit of a fundie Christian. He'd probably be with the church a couple hundred years back. Also he's the regressive conservative, I'm heavily progressive. There's no way I would oppose something like Galileo and anyone who thinks that is clearly misunderstanding either who Ron Paul is or what my argument is. The Galileo comparison (which I've actually heard, and laughed at, before) doesn't work at all for Ron Paul. Still amazed how much support he manages to get on the internet, he's no better than Perry or Bachmann as far as ideas goes. He's respectable in that he sticks to his guns and doesn't flip flop on everything (Perry) and generally has an idea of what he's talking about (Bachmann) but his ideas would set the US back 100 years because that's exactly what he wants.

Ron Paul would be the guy who 100 years after Heliocentrism was accepted says that it was actually geocentrism and tries to prove it. He's not ahead of the curve, he's just so far behind it's hard to get a prospective and so people think he's ahead of the curve.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]The irony of this statement is that if Ron Paul (or really any other Republican frontrunner) was alive back in Galileo's time they would be in the group telling him to destroy his research. Also differing in that Galileo was right and Ron Paul...isn't.Ace6301

Umm, Ron isn't exactly Galileo, but I don't quite get the destroying research remark. Seems a wee bit authoritarian for his tastes.

Ron Paul is a bit of a fundie Christian. He'd probably be with the church a couple hundred years back. Also he's the regressive conservative, I'm heavily progressive. There's no way I would oppose something like Galileo and anyone who thinks that is clearly misunderstanding either who Ron Paul is or what my argument is. The Galileo comparison (which I've actually heard, and laughed at, before) doesn't work at all for Ron Paul. Still amazed how much support he manages to get on the internet, he's no better than Perry or Bachmann as far as ideas goes. He's respectable in that he sticks to his guns and doesn't flip flop on everything (Perry) and generally has an idea of what he's talking about (Bachmann) but his ideas would set the US back 100 years because that's exactly what he wants.

Ron Paul would be the guy who 100 years after Heliocentrism was accepted says that it was actually geocentrism and tries to prove it. He's not ahead of the curve, he's just so far behind it's hard to get a prospective and so people think he's ahead of the curve.

I don't know why you brought up the destroying research thing though. It just seems like a ridiculous argument. Ron paul isn't "going with the church" as far as laws go on anything right now.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]The irony of this statement is that if Ron Paul (or really any other Republican frontrunner) was alive back in Galileo's time they would be in the group telling him to destroy his research. Also differing in that Galileo was right and Ron Paul...isn't.Ace6301

Umm, Ron isn't exactly Galileo, but I don't quite get the destroying research remark. Seems a wee bit authoritarian for his tastes.

Ron Paul is a bit of a fundie Christian. He'd probably be with the church a couple hundred years back. Also he's the regressive conservative, I'm heavily progressive. There's no way I would oppose something like Galileo and anyone who thinks that is clearly misunderstanding either who Ron Paul is or what my argument is. The Galileo comparison (which I've actually heard, and laughed at, before) doesn't work at all for Ron Paul. Still amazed how much support he manages to get on the internet, he's no better than Perry or Bachmann as far as ideas goes. He's respectable in that he sticks to his guns and doesn't flip flop on everything (Perry) and generally has an idea of what he's talking about (Bachmann) but his ideas would set the US back 100 years because that's exactly what he wants.

Ron Paul would be the guy who 100 years after Heliocentrism was accepted says that it was actually geocentrism and tries to prove it. He's not ahead of the curve, he's just so far behind it's hard to get a prospective and so people think he's ahead of the curve.

Which is why he doesn't care if homosexuals marry, wants to legalize hemp, and supports stem cell research; all of which are "progressive" ideals. The guy is a libertarian, no doubt about it. What policies do you not support that he supports? I honestly don't know much about the guy, I just know he's a conservative libertarian.
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gamespot hates fox news

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Umm, Ron isn't exactly Galileo, but I don't quite get the destroying research remark. Seems a wee bit authoritarian for his tastes.

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Ron Paul is a bit of a fundie Christian. He'd probably be with the church a couple hundred years back. Also he's the regressive conservative, I'm heavily progressive. There's no way I would oppose something like Galileo and anyone who thinks that is clearly misunderstanding either who Ron Paul is or what my argument is. The Galileo comparison (which I've actually heard, and laughed at, before) doesn't work at all for Ron Paul. Still amazed how much support he manages to get on the internet, he's no better than Perry or Bachmann as far as ideas goes. He's respectable in that he sticks to his guns and doesn't flip flop on everything (Perry) and generally has an idea of what he's talking about (Bachmann) but his ideas would set the US back 100 years because that's exactly what he wants.

Ron Paul would be the guy who 100 years after Heliocentrism was accepted says that it was actually geocentrism and tries to prove it. He's not ahead of the curve, he's just so far behind it's hard to get a prospective and so people think he's ahead of the curve.

Which is why he doesn't care if homosexuals marry, wants to legalize hemp, and supports stem cell research; all of which are "progressive" ideals. The guy is a libertarian, no doubt about it. What policies do you not support that he supports? I honestly don't know much about the guy, I just know he's a conservative libertarian.

-He's pro capital punishment -he's anti-abortion -he's against public schools -he's against pretty much all regulation -He doesn't believe in a separation of church and state I'm well aware that he's generally apathetic on many issues preferring states to decide on most issues which I'm not entirely opposed to. But those 5 things above are deal breakers. Yes I'm aware of some of his finer points in his stances but he would be heavily regressive. As I've said I respect the guy, he actually stands up for the things be believes in but the Galileo comparison is just so trite and inaccurate. For the other person I used the destruction of research because that was the opposing side of Galileo, they wanted to get rid of his research. Honestly I swear you say one bad thing about Ron Paul on the internet and you get jumped as if he's impervious to critics.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]The irony of this statement is that if Ron Paul (or really any other Republican frontrunner) was alive back in Galileo's time they would be in the group telling him to destroy his research. Also differing in that Galileo was right and Ron Paul...isn't.Ace6301

Umm, Ron isn't exactly Galileo, but I don't quite get the destroying research remark. Seems a wee bit authoritarian for his tastes.

Ron Paul is a bit of a fundie Christian. He'd probably be with the church a couple hundred years back. Also he's the regressive conservative, I'm heavily progressive. There's no way I would oppose something like Galileo and anyone who thinks that is clearly misunderstanding either who Ron Paul is or what my argument is. The Galileo comparison (which I've actually heard, and laughed at, before) doesn't work at all for Ron Paul. Still amazed how much support he manages to get on the internet, he's no better than Perry or Bachmann as far as ideas goes. He's respectable in that he sticks to his guns and doesn't flip flop on everything (Perry) and generally has an idea of what he's talking about (Bachmann) but his ideas would set the US back 100 years because that's exactly what he wants.

Ron Paul would be the guy who 100 years after Heliocentrism was accepted says that it was actually geocentrism and tries to prove it. He's not ahead of the curve, he's just so far behind it's hard to get a prospective and so people think he's ahead of the curve.

There's a major difference in between what you're saying in this post and claiming he'd destroy research.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Umm, Ron isn't exactly Galileo, but I don't quite get the destroying research remark. Seems a wee bit authoritarian for his tastes.

coolbeans90

Ron Paul is a bit of a fundie Christian. He'd probably be with the church a couple hundred years back. Also he's the regressive conservative, I'm heavily progressive. There's no way I would oppose something like Galileo and anyone who thinks that is clearly misunderstanding either who Ron Paul is or what my argument is. The Galileo comparison (which I've actually heard, and laughed at, before) doesn't work at all for Ron Paul. Still amazed how much support he manages to get on the internet, he's no better than Perry or Bachmann as far as ideas goes. He's respectable in that he sticks to his guns and doesn't flip flop on everything (Perry) and generally has an idea of what he's talking about (Bachmann) but his ideas would set the US back 100 years because that's exactly what he wants.

Ron Paul would be the guy who 100 years after Heliocentrism was accepted says that it was actually geocentrism and tries to prove it. He's not ahead of the curve, he's just so far behind it's hard to get a prospective and so people think he's ahead of the curve.

There's a major difference in between what you're saying in this post and claiming he'd destroy research.

That's cool bro but I never claimed he would destroy research.
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Ron Paul also believes that anyone without health insurance should just die.

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Fight a terrible analogy with a terrible analogy. Ron Paul isn't close to Galileo, it's a terrible comparison. Working within the realms of a terrible comparison is difficult because no matter what you can come up with it's going to remain terrible. How's this: Galileo = Progressive =/= Ron Paul = Conservative = The Church. However the logic the other poster was using was Galileo = Progressive = Ron Paul = Conservative. Which...isn't true at all. To put it more simply: To call Ron Paul a Galileo type figure is dumb. I think Ron Paul would damage the US if he became president, but I don't think he hates science. I never said that. Ace6301

Fair enough.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Fight a terrible analogy with a terrible analogy. Ron Paul isn't close to Galileo, it's a terrible comparison. Working within the realms of a terrible comparison is difficult because no matter what you can come up with it's going to remain terrible. How's this: Galileo = Progressive =/= Ron Paul = Conservative = The Church. However the logic the other poster was using was Galileo = Progressive = Ron Paul = Conservative. Which...isn't true at all. To put it more simply: To call Ron Paul a Galileo type figure is dumb. I think Ron Paul would damage the US if he became president, but I don't think he hates science. I never said that. coolbeans90

Fair enough.

Damnit you saw it before I changed it to my improved no BS version.
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On the topic of Ron Paul, I still have yet to figure out why people think he protects the rights of the people. His views and policies are de facto states rights accross the board. Those views and policies are critically flawed because giving states the option on things like the right to an attorney or exclusionary evidence hinders the rights of people and expands government at the cost of civil liberties.

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Ron Paul also believes that anyone without health insurance should just die.

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umm no. he has said they can look for charities or churches for help
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On the topic of Ron Paul, I still have yet to figure out why people think he protects the rights of the people. His views and policies are de facto states rights accross the board. Those views and policies are critically flawed because giving states the option on things like the right to an attorney or exclusionary evidence hinders the rights of people and expands government at the cost of civil liberties.

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Yeah, giving states pretty much free reign to do what they want isn't really a good idea. People say it would fix a lot of problems but in the end you're just going to end up with the well behaved states doing the same as always and the bad states even worse than before.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Ron Paul also believes that anyone without health insurance should just die.

mingmao3046

umm no. he has said they can look for charities or churches for help

Yes, that sounds like a great and viable solution.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Fight a terrible analogy with a terrible analogy. Ron Paul isn't close to Galileo, it's a terrible comparison. Working within the realms of a terrible comparison is difficult because no matter what you can come up with it's going to remain terrible. How's this: Galileo = Progressive =/= Ron Paul = Conservative = The Church. However the logic the other poster was using was Galileo = Progressive = Ron Paul = Conservative. Which...isn't true at all. To put it more simply: To call Ron Paul a Galileo type figure is dumb. I think Ron Paul would damage the US if he became president, but I don't think he hates science. I never said that. Ace6301

Fair enough.

Damnit you saw it before I changed it to my improved no BS version.

The bad guys who were telling him to destroy his research did eventually prevent him from furthering it -- effectively destroying future research of his. That's the mental jump I made, anyhow.

But seriously, when someone calls Ron Paul Galileo, they are beyond reasoning with.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Ron Paul also believes that anyone without health insurance should just die.

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umm no. he has said they can look for charities or churches for help

Yes, that sounds like a great and viable solution.

"This year we raised 2 million dollars!" "yay!" "With this we expect to be able to help 6 different uninsured people!" "yay!" Charity is nice and all but there's like 60 million Americans without insurance, charity would hardly make a dent in that.
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Ron Paul is a bit of a fundie Christian. He'd probably be with the church a couple hundred years back. Also he's the regressive conservative, I'm heavily progressive. There's no way I would oppose something like Galileo and anyone who thinks that is clearly misunderstanding either who Ron Paul is or what my argument is. The Galileo comparison (which I've actually heard, and laughed at, before) doesn't work at all for Ron Paul. Still amazed how much support he manages to get on the internet, he's no better than Perry or Bachmann as far as ideas goes. He's respectable in that he sticks to his guns and doesn't flip flop on everything (Perry) and generally has an idea of what he's talking about (Bachmann) but his ideas would set the US back 100 years because that's exactly what he wants.

Ron Paul would be the guy who 100 years after Heliocentrism was accepted says that it was actually geocentrism and tries to prove it. He's not ahead of the curve, he's just so far behind it's hard to get a prospective and so people think he's ahead of the curve.

Which is why he doesn't care if homosexuals marry, wants to legalize hemp, and supports stem cell research; all of which are "progressive" ideals. The guy is a libertarian, no doubt about it. What policies do you not support that he supports? I honestly don't know much about the guy, I just know he's a conservative libertarian.

-He's pro capital punishment -he's anti-abortion -he's against public schools -he's against pretty much all regulation -He doesn't believe in a separation of church and state I'm well aware that he's generally apathetic on many issues preferring states to decide on most issues which I'm not entirely opposed to. But those 5 things above are deal breakers. Yes I'm aware of some of his finer points in his stances but he would be heavily regressive. As I've said I respect the guy, he actually stands up for the things be believes in but the Galileo comparison is just so trite and inaccurate. For the other person I used the destruction of research because that was the opposing side of Galileo, they wanted to get rid of his research. Honestly I swear you say one bad thing about Ron Paul on the internet and you get jumped as if he's impervious to critics.

Eh, it's not like the laws on those would change anyway. Maybe some deregulation (good) and maybe an updated abortion law, but I don't think those are deal breakers because like I said, they wouldn't pass.
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[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] Which is why he doesn't care if homosexuals marry, wants to legalize hemp, and supports stem cell research; all of which are "progressive" ideals. The guy is a libertarian, no doubt about it. What policies do you not support that he supports? I honestly don't know much about the guy, I just know he's a conservative libertarian.

-He's pro capital punishment -he's anti-abortion -he's against public schools -he's against pretty much all regulation -He doesn't believe in a separation of church and state I'm well aware that he's generally apathetic on many issues preferring states to decide on most issues which I'm not entirely opposed to. But those 5 things above are deal breakers. Yes I'm aware of some of his finer points in his stances but he would be heavily regressive. As I've said I respect the guy, he actually stands up for the things be believes in but the Galileo comparison is just so trite and inaccurate. For the other person I used the destruction of research because that was the opposing side of Galileo, they wanted to get rid of his research. Honestly I swear you say one bad thing about Ron Paul on the internet and you get jumped as if he's impervious to critics.

Eh, it's not like the laws on those would change anyway. Maybe some deregulation (good) and maybe an updated abortion law, but I don't think those are deal breakers because like I said, they wouldn't pass.

He can't pass it, therefore it's okay? Somehow I don't buy into that.
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[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] Eh, it's not like the laws on those would change anyway. Maybe some deregulation (good) and maybe an updated abortion law, but I don't think those are deal breakers because like I said, they wouldn't pass.

Do you actually support this guy? Because saying things aren't deal breakers because you don't think it will get passed congress isn't really a good way to vote. Also I still don't get how almost completely deregulating business is good. Regulation exists for a reason. Maybe not all of it is good and some of it is kind of silly but to just say "oh all regulation is bad" is completely wrong. You didn't even touch on the whole getting rid of public schools thing which, along with the deregulation, almost ensures an even greater division of wealth.
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] Eh, it's not like the laws on those would change anyway. Maybe some deregulation (good) and maybe an updated abortion law, but I don't think those are deal breakers because like I said, they wouldn't pass.

Do you actually support this guy? Because saying things aren't deal breakers because you don't think it will get passed congress isn't really a good way to vote. Also I still don't get how almost completely deregulating business is good. Regulation exists for a reason. Maybe not all of it is good and some of it is kind of silly but to just say "oh all regulation is bad" is completely wrong. You didn't even touch on the whole getting rid of public schools thing which, along with the deregulation, almost ensures an even greater division of wealth.

Yeah, I support him because I like his stances more than any other politicians (AFAIK, but I'm not well versed on politics). As for complete deregulation, I agree it would be bad, but some deregulation would be good. Getting rid of public schools would divide the social classes even more, you are right. I still don't think these would pass, nor would he try to pass them.
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[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] Eh, it's not like the laws on those would change anyway. Maybe some deregulation (good) and maybe an updated abortion law, but I don't think those are deal breakers because like I said, they wouldn't pass.

Do you actually support this guy? Because saying things aren't deal breakers because you don't think it will get passed congress isn't really a good way to vote. Also I still don't get how almost completely deregulating business is good. Regulation exists for a reason. Maybe not all of it is good and some of it is kind of silly but to just say "oh all regulation is bad" is completely wrong. You didn't even touch on the whole getting rid of public schools thing which, along with the deregulation, almost ensures an even greater division of wealth.

Yeah, I support him because I like his stances more than any other politicians (AFAIK, but I'm not well versed on politics). As for complete deregulation, I agree it would be bad, but some deregulation would be good. Getting rid of public schools would divide the social classes even more, you are right. I still don't think these would pass, nor would he try to pass them.

Considering the guys been pushing for this sort of stuff for longer than I've been alive and that he's pretty good about being consistent I would say it's almost certain he would try to pass them. I doubt anyone in congress would support pretty much anything he stands for and I think at this point we've all seen how crappy things get when the President and Congress don't get along.
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] Eh, it's not like the laws on those would change anyway. Maybe some deregulation (good) and maybe an updated abortion law, but I don't think those are deal breakers because like I said, they wouldn't pass.ChampionoChumps
Do you actually support this guy? Because saying things aren't deal breakers because you don't think it will get passed congress isn't really a good way to vote. Also I still don't get how almost completely deregulating business is good. Regulation exists for a reason. Maybe not all of it is good and some of it is kind of silly but to just say "oh all regulation is bad" is completely wrong. You didn't even touch on the whole getting rid of public schools thing which, along with the deregulation, almost ensures an even greater division of wealth.

Yeah, I support him because I like his stances more than any other politicians (AFAIK, but I'm not well versed on politics). As for complete deregulation, I agree it would be bad, but some deregulation would be good. Getting rid of public schools would divide the social classes even more, you are right. I still don't think these would pass, nor would he try to pass them.

Public schools are overwhelmingly funded by state and local governments.

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On the topic of Ron Paul, I still have yet to figure out why people think he protects the rights of the people. His views and policies are de facto states rights accross the board. Those views and policies are critically flawed because giving states the option on things like the right to an attorney or exclusionary evidence hinders the rights of people and expands government at the cost of civil liberties.

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Pretty sure states' rights don't take precedence over the Constitution. Just sayin'.

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#48 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

On the topic of Ron Paul, I still have yet to figure out why people think he protects the rights of the people. His views and policies are de facto states rights accross the board. Those views and policies are critically flawed because giving states the option on things like the right to an attorney or exclusionary evidence hinders the rights of people and expands government at the cost of civil liberties.

QuistisTrepe_

Pretty sure states' rights don't take precedence over the Constitution. Just sayin'.

Makes me wonder why Mississippi is including fetus in the description of persons. I mean, that would be overruling the constitution.
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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

On the topic of Ron Paul, I still have yet to figure out why people think he protects the rights of the people. His views and policies are de facto states rights accross the board. Those views and policies are critically flawed because giving states the option on things like the right to an attorney or exclusionary evidence hinders the rights of people and expands government at the cost of civil liberties.

DroidPhysX

Pretty sure states' rights don't take precedence over the Constitution. Just sayin'.

Makes me wonder why Mississippi is including fetus in the description of persons. I mean, that would be overruling the constitution.

Sigh.............

No, it's not. **shakes head**

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#50 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Pretty sure states' rights don't take precedence over the Constitution. Just sayin'.

QuistisTrepe_

Makes me wonder why Mississippi is including fetus in the description of persons. I mean, that would be overruling the constitution.

Sigh.............

No, it's not. **shakes head**

Yeah it would be. The constitution only describes persons in a post natal form. A fetus is not considered a person in the constitution because persons aren't described pre-natally.