Deep questions I ask myself about the Chrstian faith.

I used to be a Christian, then I started doing what Christians don't want you to do, think. Here are a bunch of questions/ideas that keep me from believeing this religion.

- God is supposed to know what your going to do and think before you even do it (or think it). If this is so, why did he create Adam knowing he would disobey him by eating from the tree of knowledge (or whatever it was called)? And why did he even put the tree there in the first place?

- Why aren't angles perfect? Lucifer used to be the best angel and he was somehow tempted to think,"I want to be like God", and he was thrown into hell (although there is supposed to be no temptation in heaven. This is also supposed to be how the dinosaursw got here. God let Lucifer take over and Lucifer created dinosaurs, when God got back from his vacation in Hawaii, he didn't like the whole dinosaur thing so he turned the Earth upside down.

- God flooded the whole world. Noah took two of every single species of animal in the Earth (they had heard he had a good buffet on the ark) and stuffed them in the ark with his family. So after all the children and innocent people died, God gave Noah a rainbow and told him,"I'm not doing that again, it wasn't a very good idea in the first place." (I'm obviously making fun of the story, but you know how it goes) After that, Noah gets to repopulate planet Earth.

- Moses goes to free the slaves and God puts a plague on the Paroah and his people. The tenth plague is that every first-born Egyptian child dies. Wow, don't punish the actual people, punish their children.

- This is just a fun thingy: God created the Earth before he created light. So he created the Earth in the dark (and he didn't do a bad job).

- Everyone who doesn't believe in what Christians believe or anyone who isn't saved will burn in hell forever. We are supposedly created in his image, all of us, so if he makes us knowing where we are going to eventually end up then...

- The only reason people are the religion they are is because they were born into a family that believed in a certain belief or because they were born in an area that did. So we are, by accident (chance) Christian, Hindu, Muslim, etc.

Feel free to post your thoughts. I respect everybody's opinions.

I used to be a Christian, then I started doing what Christians don't want you to do, think. Here are a bunch of questions/ideas that keep me from believeing this religion.

- God is supposed to know what your going to do and think before you even do it (or think it). If this is so, why did he create Adam knowing he would disobey him by eating from the tree of knowledge (or whatever it was called)? And why did he even put the tree there in the first place?

- Why aren't angles perfect? Lucifer used to be the best angel and he was somehow tempted to think,"I want to be like God", and he was thrown into hell (although there is supposed to be no temptation in heaven. This is also supposed to be how the dinosaursw got here. God let Lucifer take over and Lucifer created dinosaurs, when God got back from his vacation in Hawaii, he didn't like the whole dinosaur thing so he turned the Earth upside down.

- God flooded the whole world. Noah took two of every single species of animal in the Earth (they had heard he had a good buffet on the ark) and stuffed them in the ark with his family. So after all the children and innocent people died, God gave Noah a rainbow and told him,"I'm not doing that again, it wasn't a very good idea in the first place." (I'm obviously making fun of the story, but you know how it goes) After that, Noah gets to repopulate planet Earth.

- Moses goes to free the slaves and God puts a plague on the Paroah and his people. The tenth plague is that every first-born Egyptian child dies. Wow, don't punish the actual people, punish their children.

- This is just a fun thingy: God created the Earth before he created light. So he created the Earth in the dark (and he didn't do a bad job).

- Everyone who doesn't believe in what Christians believe or anyone who isn't saved will burn in hell forever. We are supposedly created in his image, all of us, so if he makes us knowing where we are going to eventually end up then...

- The only reason people are the religion they are is because they were born into a family that believed in a certain belief or because they were born in an area that did. So we are, by accident (chance) Christian, Hindu, Muslim, etc.

Feel free to post your thoughts. I respect everybody's opinions.

Astrapsody

God says he is all forgiving. It could be possible we are interpreting god wrong. God could be forgiving at the end and who knows he might jus tput most us in heaven for doing thr right deeds. You can't figure out god by a book. A book which man made not to mention. So who know which religion is correct?

All of the religions say they are correct. So who knows?

I used to be a Christian, then I started doing what Christians don't want you to do, think.

Feel free to post your thoughts. I respect everybody's opinions.

Astrapsody

Yeah, I'd answer you, but you see, for me to do so would require thought, and I don't like to think; I'm a Christian, you see, so me answering you would require that I do a bad thing.

I used to be a Christian, then I started doing what Christians don't want you to do, think. Here are a bunch of questions/ideas that keep me from believeing this religion.

- God is supposed to know what your going to do and think before you even do it (or think it). If this is so, why did he create Adam knowing he would disobey him by eating from the tree of knowledge (or whatever it was called)? And why did he even put the tree there in the first place?

- Why aren't angles perfect? Lucifer used to be the best angel and he was somehow tempted to think,"I want to be like God", and he was thrown into hell (although there is supposed to be no temptation in heaven. This is also supposed to be how the dinosaursw got here. God let Lucifer take over and Lucifer created dinosaurs, when God got back from his vacation in Hawaii, he didn't like the whole dinosaur thing so he turned the Earth upside down.

- God flooded the whole world. Noah took two of every single species of animal in the Earth (they had heard he had a good buffet on the ark) and stuffed them in the ark with his family. So after all the children and innocent people died, God gave Noah a rainbow and told him,"I'm not doing that again, it wasn't a very good idea in the first place." (I'm obviously making fun of the story, but you know how it goes) After that, Noah gets to repopulate planet Earth.

- Moses goes to free the slaves and God puts a plague on the Paroah and his people. The tenth plague is that every first-born Egyptian child dies. Wow, don't punish the actual people, punish their children.

- This is just a fun thingy: God created the Earth before he created light. So he created the Earth in the dark (and he didn't do a bad job).

- Everyone who doesn't believe in what Christians believe or anyone who isn't saved will burn in hell forever. We are supposedly created in his image, all of us, so if he makes us knowing where we are going to eventually end up then...

- The only reason people are the religion they are is because they were born into a family that believed in a certain belief or because they were born in an area that did. So we are, by accident (chance) Christian, Hindu, Muslim, etc.

Feel free to post your thoughts. I respect everybody's opinions.

Astrapsody

First of all, Christians are supposed to think. Does not Mark 12:30 say, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength'"?

Why did God let Adam sin? Maybe because that is what God wanted to happen... Maybe God wants us to choose him as opposed to having mechanical followers. Maybe Adam sinned because God alone is perfect. If Adam did not sin then he would be perfect, thus Adam himself would be God.

Angels were not perfect, God alone is perfect. Anything not perfect has the tendency to fail... btw, God alone is the Creator. Satan is a creation unable to create out of nothing.

Yes, God flooded the earth. Where is the debate? Believe it or not.

God did indeed kill the children of Egypt. In fact, nothing bad happens outside of God's ultimate plan. All things work together for those who love the Lord. Btw, because these children were just that, children, God would not have judged them unfairly in the end.

God created light on the first day...

God is a loving God but before that he is a holy God. Because of that, unholy people cannot enter into his presence. The only way to enter his presence is with his forgiveness through Jesus Christ. God is loving because he provided a way despite our shortcomings.

Not everyone a specific religion because of their parents........

All forgiving? Then why is there hell or the ten commandments if he's just going to forgive us anyway? All the religions say that they are correct. This means that many are wrong, and if many are wrong, there is a strong chance that every religion is "wrong". I personally belief that it was just made up by us in order to control us by giving us fear.

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

I used to be a Christian, then I started doing what Christians don't want you to do, think. Here are a bunch of questions/ideas that keep me from believeing this religion.

- God is supposed to know what your going to do and think before you even do it (or think it). If this is so, why did he create Adam knowing he would disobey him by eating from the tree of knowledge (or whatever it was called)? And why did he even put the tree there in the first place?

- Why aren't angles perfect? Lucifer used to be the best angel and he was somehow tempted to think,"I want to be like God", and he was thrown into hell (although there is supposed to be no temptation in heaven. This is also supposed to be how the dinosaursw got here. God let Lucifer take over and Lucifer created dinosaurs, when God got back from his vacation in Hawaii, he didn't like the whole dinosaur thing so he turned the Earth upside down.

- God flooded the whole world. Noah took two of every single species of animal in the Earth (they had heard he had a good buffet on the ark) and stuffed them in the ark with his family. So after all the children and innocent people died, God gave Noah a rainbow and told him,"I'm not doing that again, it wasn't a very good idea in the first place." (I'm obviously making fun of the story, but you know how it goes) After that, Noah gets to repopulate planet Earth.

- Moses goes to free the slaves and God puts a plague on the Paroah and his people. The tenth plague is that every first-born Egyptian child dies. Wow, don't punish the actual people, punish their children.

- This is just a fun thingy: God created the Earth before he created light. So he created the Earth in the dark (and he didn't do a bad job).

- Everyone who doesn't believe in what Christians believe or anyone who isn't saved will burn in hell forever. We are supposedly created in his image, all of us, so if he makes us knowing where we are going to eventually end up then...

- The only reason people are the religion they are is because they were born into a family that believed in a certain belief or because they were born in an area that did. So we are, by accident (chance) Christian, Hindu, Muslim, etc.

Feel free to post your thoughts. I respect everybody's opinions.

mindstorm

First of all, Christians are supposed to think. Does not Mark 12:30 say, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength'"?

Why did God let Adam sin? Maybe because that is what God wanted to happen... Maybe God wants us to choose him as opposed to having mechanical followers. Maybe Adam sinned because God alone is perfect. If Adam did not sin then he would be perfect, thus Adam himself would be God.

Angels were not perfect, God alone is perfect. Anything not perfect has the tendency to fail... btw, God alone is the Creator. Satan is a creation unable to create out of nothing.

Yes, God flooded the earth. Where is the debate? Believe it or not.

God did indeed kill the children of Egypt. In fact, nothing bad happens outside of God's ultimate plan. All things work together for those who love the Lord. Btw, because these children were just that, children, God would not have judged them unfairly in the end.

God created light on the first day...

God is a loving God but before that he is a holy God. Because of that, unholy people cannot enter into his presence. The only way to enter his presence is with his forgiveness through Jesus Christ. God is loving because he provided a way despite our shortcomings.

Not everyone a specific religion because of their parents........

Yes, that's the typical response in the end. "God just wanted it to happen that way". I really don't think he wanted Adam to do that since he specifically told Adam NOT to do that. Because Adam allowed sin into the world he had to send his only son to die on a cross.

I didn't say everyone did I, but it is by complete chance that you are a certain religion.

If God flooded the whole Earth there should be layers of sedimentary rock found in all areas of the Earth, there are not.

-God doesn't know what you will do, rather what COULD happen. That tree was to test their faith to see if they trusted and obeyed him. -Angels can face tempation. It's just uncommon. One angel right? Uncommon. -Well, you see, back then, it didn't mater who you got-ahem- freaky with. A brother and sister marriage was common. So from Parent to children to their children and so on. -You'd be pissed to if he killed all your first borns. Wouldn't you do the same? -Um...maybe because he is...GOD PERHAPS? -Toughy, but like I siad it depends on the person. If your beuatiful, does that make you better? -Not true, because(it least in my Catholic relgion) we have Recocilation, which allows that person to accept or not to become of that religion. I respect you, but rember for a reason there is always an opinion.darkwolfyboy

I know that in the Bible it specifically says that God knows what is going to happen before it even happens, so I'm still confused on that. Besides, everyone knows what could happen to you.

Marriages aren't what I'm worried about. It's the fact that a family could repopluate the entire world.

If I was God I would not kill children in order to punish parents, that's incredibly rediculous. Nobody has really responded to the whole "religion by chance" thing.

I am truly sorry if I offended anyone in posting this. I really just want to hear people's opinions on the subject.

Yes, that's the typical response in the end. "God just wanted it to happen that way". I really don't think he wanted Adam to do that since he specifically told Adam NOT to do that. Because Adam allowed sin into the world he had to send his only son to die on a cross.

I didn't say everyone did I, but it is by complete chance that you are a certain religion.

If God flooded the whole Earth there should be layers of sedimentary rock found in all areas of the Earth, there are not.

Astrapsody

It was a test. Besides, it was Eve that gave the apple to Adam.

I'm kind of Christian, but I have doubts about it.

I consider the first seven chapters of Genesis to be myth with truth to be learned.

Also, Christianity isn't the only religion with a flood story.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

I used to be a Christian, then I started doing what Christians don't want you to do, think. Here are a bunch of questions/ideas that keep me from believeing this religion.

- God is supposed to know what your going to do and think before you even do it (or think it). If this is so, why did he create Adam knowing he would disobey him by eating from the tree of knowledge (or whatever it was called)? And why did he even put the tree there in the first place?

- Why aren't angles perfect? Lucifer used to be the best angel and he was somehow tempted to think,"I want to be like God", and he was thrown into hell (although there is supposed to be no temptation in heaven. This is also supposed to be how the dinosaursw got here. God let Lucifer take over and Lucifer created dinosaurs, when God got back from his vacation in Hawaii, he didn't like the whole dinosaur thing so he turned the Earth upside down.

- God flooded the whole world. Noah took two of every single species of animal in the Earth (they had heard he had a good buffet on the ark) and stuffed them in the ark with his family. So after all the children and innocent people died, God gave Noah a rainbow and told him,"I'm not doing that again, it wasn't a very good idea in the first place." (I'm obviously making fun of the story, but you know how it goes) After that, Noah gets to repopulate planet Earth.

- Moses goes to free the slaves and God puts a plague on the Paroah and his people. The tenth plague is that every first-born Egyptian child dies. Wow, don't punish the actual people, punish their children.

- This is just a fun thingy: God created the Earth before he created light. So he created the Earth in the dark (and he didn't do a bad job).

- Everyone who doesn't believe in what Christians believe or anyone who isn't saved will burn in hell forever. We are supposedly created in his image, all of us, so if he makes us knowing where we are going to eventually end up then...

- The only reason people are the religion they are is because they were born into a family that believed in a certain belief or because they were born in an area that did. So we are, by accident (chance) Christian, Hindu, Muslim, etc.

Feel free to post your thoughts. I respect everybody's opinions.

Astrapsody

First of all, Christians are supposed to think. Does not Mark 12:30 say, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength'"?

Why did God let Adam sin? Maybe because that is what God wanted to happen... Maybe God wants us to choose him as opposed to having mechanical followers. Maybe Adam sinned because God alone is perfect. If Adam did not sin then he would be perfect, thus Adam himself would be God.

Angels were not perfect, God alone is perfect. Anything not perfect has the tendency to fail... btw, God alone is the Creator. Satan is a creation unable to create out of nothing.

Yes, God flooded the earth. Where is the debate? Believe it or not.

God did indeed kill the children of Egypt. In fact, nothing bad happens outside of God's ultimate plan. All things work together for those who love the Lord. Btw, because these children were just that, children, God would not have judged them unfairly in the end.

God created light on the first day...

God is a loving God but before that he is a holy God. Because of that, unholy people cannot enter into his presence. The only way to enter his presence is with his forgiveness through Jesus Christ. God is loving because he provided a way despite our shortcomings.

Not everyone a specific religion because of their parents........

Yes, that's the typical response in the end. "God just wanted it to happen that way". I really don't think he wanted Adam to do that since he specifically told Adam NOT to do that. Because Adam allowed sin into the world he had to send his only son to die on a cross.

I didn't say everyone did I, but it is by complete chance that you are a certain religion.

If God flooded the whole Earth there should be layers of sedimentary rock found in all areas of the Earth, there are not.

You seem to have a rather low opinion of God. Nothing happens outside the will of an all-powerful God. You say others answer in just the same way, maybe that's what the Bible has to say about itself...

God sent his Son to die on the cross so that he would be glorified through giving love and keeping his promice to Abraham. God's grace, mercy, and glory is shown most in hard times, not when everything is perfect.

There are layers of rock... Evolutionists claim it's from years of sediment layering over millions of years... Maybe it happened during the flood...

Just about all your questions can be answered by the simple statement that God is under NO moral obligations as the sole arbiter of morality.

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

Yes, that's the typical response in the end. "God just wanted it to happen that way". I really don't think he wanted Adam to do that since he specifically told Adam NOT to do that. Because Adam allowed sin into the world he had to send his only son to die on a cross.

I didn't say everyone did I, but it is by complete chance that you are a certain religion.

If God flooded the whole Earth there should be layers of sedimentary rock found in all areas of the Earth, there are not.

zeldaluff

It was a test. Besides, it was Eve that gave the apple to Adam.

I'm kind of Christian, but I have doubts about it.

A test for what? To see how obedient his creations were? That's what a lot of people say about natural disasters. (But this case is obviously different)

God didn't go on vacation during that time. He knew that Satin was in the garden tempting Adam and Eve and what they were going to do.

A test for what? To see how obedient his creations were? That's what a lot of people say about natural disasters. (But this case is obviously different)

God didn't go on vacation during that time. He knew that Satin was in the garden tempting Adam and Eve and what they were going to do.

Astrapsody

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

A test for what? To see how obedient his creations were? That's what a lot of people say about natural disasters. (But this case is obviously different)

God didn't go on vacation during that time. He knew that Satin was in the garden tempting Adam and Eve and what they were going to do.

harashawn

Not completely. There is indeed a lot of symbolism within Genesis as well as the rest of scripture. I just think it's literal symbols. :P

Just about all your questions can be answered by the simple statement that God is under NO moral obligations as the sole arbiter of morality.

danwallacefan

I'm sorry, but that statement is just as rediculous as saying,"It's just Gods' will, he wanted it that way, so be it." For some reason, I, "Gods' creation, am feeling more sorrow for his acitons than he is.

I don't believe the Bible should be taken literally at all. Why?

- Disobey your parents? You get stoned

- Your gay You get stoned.

- Oh, and slavery is just fine. As long as it's not Gods' chosen people. And why does he favor certain people if he created all of us equally?

I think the main problem with Christianity (besides the obviously outdated stories from the Bible that include blood sacrifices, mass murder, treating women as property etc.) is that if God made us, we cannot be held accountable for our sins. Why should we have to pay for defections that He built in us to begin with??? hamstergeddon

Sin is not a defect...it's a choice..

Why aren't angles perfect? Lucifer used to be the best angel and he was somehow tempted to think,"I want to be like God", and he was thrown into hell (although there is supposed to be no temptation in heaven.Astrapsody

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]I think the main problem with Christianity (besides the obviously outdated stories from the Bible that include blood sacrifices, mass murder, treating women as property etc.) is that if God made us, we cannot be held accountable for our sins. Why should we have to pay for defections that He built in us to begin with??? LJS9502_basic

Sin is not a defect...it's a choice..

I don't believe the Bible should be taken literally at all. Why?

- Disobey your parents? You get stoned

- Your gay You get stoned.

- Oh, and slavery is just fine. As long as it's not Gods' chosen people. And why does he favor certain people if he created all of us equally?

Astrapsody

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]I think the main problem with Christianity (besides the obviously outdated stories from the Bible that include blood sacrifices, mass murder, treating women as property etc.) is that if God made us, we cannot be held accountable for our sins. Why should we have to pay for defections that He built in us to begin with??? hamstergeddon

Sin is not a defect...it's a choice..

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Christians don't use blood sacrifices, mass murder nor are taught to teach women as property. For Christian teachings read the NT.

Sin is not a defect...it's a choice..

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]I don't believe the Bible should be taken literally at all. Why?

- Disobey your parents? You get stoned

- Your gay You get stoned.

- Oh, and slavery is just fine. As long as it's not Gods' chosen people. And why does he favor certain people if he created all of us equally?

harashawn

What the Bible says about stoning

If you created me... then yes, you did cause me to do thathamstergeddon

Then your parents are responsible for every bad thing you ever do.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] Well I know Christians don't do any of that stuff, but the Bible certainly had a lot of that kind of stuff in there. And I personally think free-will is a hoax, especially if you believe in a God that can see the future. (If he can see what we are going to do, then that's how its going to play out, no matter what) hamstergeddon

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Christians don't use blood sacrifices, mass murder nor are taught to teach women as property. For Christian teachings read the NT.

Sin is not a defect...it's a choice..

LJS9502_basic

That's a horrible example. We are talking about going to heaven and hell here. If you were phychic and you knew somebody was going to jump off a building in ten minutes then that person would jump off that building. Sure, you didn't cause him to do it, but he did it, and you KNEW he was going to do it.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] Well I know Christians don't do any of that stuff, but the Bible certainly had a lot of that kind of stuff in there. And I personally think free-will is a hoax, especially if you believe in a God that can see the future. (If he can see what we are going to do, then that's how its going to play out, no matter what) Astrapsody

That's a horrible example. We are talking about going to heaven and hell here. If you were phychic and you knew somebody was going to jump off a building in ten minutes then that person would jump off that building. Sure, you didn't cause him to do it, but he did it, and you KNEW he was going to do it.

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well let's say I have psychic abilities. I know you will walk into the kitchen in 10 minutes and make a sandwich. Ten minutes pass...and you do. Now because I knew you were going to do that does not mean I caused you to do that. You choose to make a sandwich...I just happened to know that.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] Well I know Christians don't do any of that stuff, but the Bible certainly had a lot of that kind of stuff in there. And I personally think free-will is a hoax, especially if you believe in a God that can see the future. (If he can see what we are going to do, then that's how its going to play out, no matter what) Astrapsody

That's a horrible example. We are talking about going to heaven and hell here. If you were phychic and you knew somebody was going to jump off a building in ten minutes then that person would jump off that building. Sure, you didn't cause him to do it, but he did it, and you KNEW he was going to do it.

I went thru the same thing as you, and I think that there could be a God, but his not what Christians think he is. Hes probly some psycopath that likes to toy with peoples feeling....Sunamaru

Christians are the one's who made up this God. If he's not what they think he is, then he simply does not exist. If he is some phsycopath that likes to toy with our feeling then I don't want to have anything to do with him.

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well let's say I have psychic abilities. I know you will walk into the kitchen in 10 minutes and make a sandwich. Ten minutes pass...and you do. Now because I knew you were going to do that does not mean I caused you to do that. You choose to make a sandwich...I just happened to know that.nitekids2004

That's a horrible example. We are talking about going to heaven and hell here. If you were phychic and you knew somebody was going to jump off a building in ten minutes then that person would jump off that building. Sure, you didn't cause him to do it, but he did it, and you KNEW he was going to do it.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] If you created me... then yes, you did cause me to do thathamstergeddon

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well let's say I have psychic abilities. I know you will walk into the kitchen in 10 minutes and make a sandwich. Ten minutes pass...and you do. Now because I knew you were going to do that does not mean I caused you to do that. You choose to make a sandwich...I just happened to know that.nitekids2004

That's a horrible example. We are talking about going to heaven and hell here. If you were phychic and you knew somebody was going to jump off a building in ten minutes then that person would jump off that building. Sure, you didn't cause him to do it, but he did it, and you KNEW he was going to do it.

Okay, branches are symbolizing the choices we make, but God is supposed to know what choices we are going to make because he is all-knowing. That's like me going up to a person eating and saying,"I knew you were going to wipe your mouth, I knew you were going to take that bite." Saying God just knows where all the choices end up just doesn't make sense, him being God and all.

I consider the first seven chapters of Genesis to be myth with truth to be learned.

Also, Christianity isn't the only religion with a flood story.

Silverbond

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"][QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

That's a horrible example. We are talking about going to heaven and hell here. If you were phychic and you knew somebody was going to jump off a building in ten minutes then that person would jump off that building. Sure, you didn't cause him to do it, but he did it, and you KNEW he was going to do it.

hamstergeddon

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So everything you have done in life is your parents fault?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So everything you have done in life is your parents fault?LJS9502_basic

Nobody is saying your a mindless drone. I'm just saying that you had no choice in your religion IF you were brought up that way. Children don't have any choice in their beliefs which makes me sad.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] But... I thought God created me :o And yes, if we wanna look at this from an Atheist's point of view, it is mainly my parent's fault. Their genes, and my upraising. You see, there are 2 factors that shape our brains, define us, and not only influences but totally controls everything we do. That is, our genes and our environment. Environment being everything from the mitigating circumstances at the time to our upbringing as a child. Genes provide the clay for our personality and our experiences mold it. And since both genes and our environment is totally out of our control, everybody is doomed to do what they were bound to from the moment we are conceived (which was destined to happen since our parents had no actual choice in the event anyways) So, while we are granted with the illusion of choice, the actually are destined to make every choice an exact way in our lives. So yes, in a way it is our parent's fault (ignoring the fact that they had no free-will in the matter of conceiving or raising you either) hamstergeddon

The family and the environment your brought in has everything to do with what your religion is. If their not, then what other factor does? Yep, it's all chance people.

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well I can only speak for myself but I'm not a mindless drone that doesn't think nor am I likely to act exactly like my siblings all of whom have the same parents and same environment. We are quite different from each other.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

I consider the first seven chapters of Genesis to be myth with truth to be learned.

Also, Christianity isn't the only religion with a flood story.

Tylendal

I'm afraid a world covering flood means a WORLD COVERING flood. Not a few dozen kilometers. The Bible doesn't say God flooded the areas where people lived only, he said the world. And while there's geoligical evidence of a flood that took place around the area of Iraq, there's none that apply to the whole world.

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well I can only speak for myself but I'm not a mindless drone that doesn't think nor am I likely to act exactly like my siblings all of whom have the same parents and same environment. We are quite different from each other.LJS9502_basic

Actually it's in your logic. He never said people will act a certain way because of this. He's saying that everyone will act DIFFERENT because of this.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"][QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

That's a horrible example. We are talking about going to heaven and hell here. If you were phychic and you knew somebody was going to jump off a building in ten minutes then that person would jump off that building. Sure, you didn't cause him to do it, but he did it, and you KNEW he was going to do it.

Astrapsody

Okay, branches are symbolizing the choices we make, but God is supposed to know what choices we are going to make because he is all-knowing. That's like me going up to a person eating and saying,"I knew you were going to wipe your mouth, I knew you were going to take that bite." Saying God just knows where all the choices end up just doesn't make sense, him being God and all.

Ok. i copied this from an answer in the net: 'God doesn't see "the future", for God exists outside of time, and has no future, present or past. He just sees the entire continuity of time simultaneously. Therefore He sees every choice of free will made by every human being from the first to the last, which is how He knows them. However, someone merely observing us making free will choices, either from a viewpoint in linear time, or from God's viewpoint outside of time, doesn't have any effect on the freedom of those choices." since I'm no Bible scholar or anything.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] Obviously you don't know about how a baby is made :( When a mommy and a daddy love each other very much they engage in - *cencored*- and then each of the 23 daddy chromosomes split randomly and fuse with the 23 mommy chromosomes. And that's why each baby from the same parents are different from each other because the random splitting of chromosomes means we never know exactly how the baby's gonna turn out :D K? hamstergeddon