Democrat Platform recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel
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[QUOTE="jetpower3"][QUOTE="mayceV"]doesn't really matter what the US say's it isn't recognized internationally. the move to annex east Jerusalem is null. Its Palestinian. a country can't make territorial gains based on military campaigns.East Jerusalem was occupied in 1967. Meaning that all of Israel's attempts gain no form of recognition No matter what one country says.. Read it and weep.mayceV
This poster has no concept of geopolitical realities.
You have no idea what the thread is about. recognizing Jerusalem as the capital is not possible as it is contested and half of it is recognized as Palestinian. Were talking diplomatically meaning international law actually works here. East Jerusalem is recognized as Palestinian. occupied but not Israeli. same thing with Golan. The idea is that just because the US recognizes it doesn't mean that it is internationally. Effectively meaning that the US's recognition means nothing.No. I say you have no concept because at the end of the day you seem to imply that international recognition actually means anything in this context, or even means more than the military situation. Whether Israel is deemed to occupy it or not ultimately has no bearing with the realities on the ground. It hasn't for 45 years and it certainly won't now, most certainly not with the conflict taking a back seat to larger problems in the region.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]http://jerusalem.usconsulate.gov/ I can't see how this is the US consulate to the PA really.Where?
themajormayor
"The mission was designated a Consulate General in 1928. It now represents the United States in Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip as an independent mission, with the Consul General serving as chief of mission."
All you had to do was read the mission statement.
Moreover, to reinforce the point, the Israeli government is not in any legal sense affiliated with the consulate. It's primary purpose is to oversee diplomacy between the US and the Palestinians (because that's kind of important).
As for the Palestian Authority's position on Jerusalem, as was the case with the US consulate website, all you have to do is read and you'll find what you are looking for. Everything but Har Homa was offered to Israel, and even Livni repeatedly expresses how wide-reaching the proposal was, which it really was considering past negotiations and the official position of the PLO. Plus, considering how Har Homa continues to "grow," for lack of a better word, if and when a two state solution is reached, the "reality on the ground" will make it impossible for Palestinian leadership to exclude even Har Homa from Israeli annexation.
But on a side note, it's starting to look like that's a pretty huge "if" for a whole host of reasons, a lot of which don't even have to do with the negotiations themselves.
I can't see how this is the US consulate to the PA really.[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] http://jerusalem.usconsulate.gov/-Sun_Tzu-
"The mission was designated a Consulate General in 1928. It now represents the United States in Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip as an independent mission, with the Consul General serving as chief of mission."
All you had to do was read the mission statement.
Moreover, to reinforce the point, the Israeli government is not in any legal sense affiliated with the consulate. It's primary purpose is to oversee diplomacy between the US and the Palestinians (because that's kind of important).
As for the Palestian Authority's position on Jerusalem, as was the case with the US consulate website, all you have to do is read and you'll find what you are looking for. Everything but Har Homa was offered to Israel, and even Livni repeatedly expresses how wide-reaching the proposal was, which it really was considering past negotiations and the official position of the PLO. Plus, considering how Har Homa continues to "grow," for lack of a better word, if and when a two state solution is reached, the "reality on the ground" will make it impossible for Palestinian leadership to exclude even Har Homa from Israeli annexation.
But on a side note, it's starting to look like that's a pretty huge "if" for a whole host of reasons, a lot of which don't even have to do with the negotiations themselves.
if the consulate is purely to serve as a link between the US government and the PA, it would do better to simply set up in Ramallah even if for whatever reason they feel E.Jerusalem belongs to the Palestinians (though like I said, it really doesn't mean much , for all intents and purposes, its the capital), there is no reason to put the consulate in West Jerusalem , which the US did.
I can't see how this is the US consulate to the PA really.[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] http://jerusalem.usconsulate.gov/-Sun_Tzu-
"The mission was designated a Consulate General in 1928. It now represents the United States in Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip as an independent mission, with the Consul General serving as chief of mission."
All you had to do was read the mission statement.
Moreover, to reinforce the point, the Israeli government is not in any legal sense affiliated with the consulate. It's primary purpose is to oversee diplomacy between the US and the Palestinians (because that's kind of important).
As for the Palestian Authority's position on Jerusalem, as was the case with the US consulate website, all you have to do is read and you'll find what you are looking for. Everything but Har Homa was offered to Israel, and even Livni repeatedly expresses how wide-reaching the proposal was, which it really was considering past negotiations and the official position of the PLO. Plus, considering how Har Homa continues to "grow," for lack of a better word, if and when a two state solution is reached, the "reality on the ground" will make it impossible for Palestinian leadership to exclude even Har Homa from Israeli annexation.
But on a side note, it's starting to look like that's a pretty huge "if" for a whole host of reasons, a lot of which don't even have to do with the negotiations themselves.
I saw that and I don't think it neccesarily means it is a consulate to the PA really. But it really doesn't matter, it's a sidetrack.
And I really don't see anywhere were they offered everything but Har Homa. I read it very quickly but the only thing I see is that they once say that they don't want Har Homa to be left in Israel. That is not the same as offering the rest of Jerusalem. I doubt they would offer the temple mount for example. And the maps provided doesn't seem to indicate they wanted to give all of Jerusalem.
The Arabs should get used to the fact that the Golan is Israel , Syria lost , thats it, and the Syrians will just have to get used to it, they are not in a position to demand it back at any rate. besides, I don't think the Arabs would have cared much if they theoretically managed to take Tel Aviv, it wouldnt matter if it was "occupied under international law", they would have consolidated it into whatever state happend to take it.
Darkman2007
The Jews will have to get used to the fact that Israel is Palestine. Ironically, that's a "fact on the ground" of Israel's own making: By ensuring that there can be no viable Palestinian state, they've effectively torpedoed the "two-state solution". Therefore there will be a "one state solution", and that state's voting majority won't be Jewish. Look to South Africa's recent past to see Israel's near future.
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="mayceV"] yeah, don't put what if scenarios. That never happened so you wouldn't know the outcome. yeah... bro Golan is predominately Arab. It was also annexed illegally by the Golan law meaning also at one point it was Arab. Israel did not win it in a battle rather a diplomatic move also viewed as void.. there is no reason that someone has to get used to someone else stopping over their rights. thinking otherwise is supremacist logic.mayceVevery one of those Arabs (well , Druze, but thats besides the point) , is offered a citizenship (and alot of them are starting to take up the offer) and yes, Israel won it in battle in 67. the Syrians want to talk about it? great, but they also have to realize that when they lost, they lost (hell, they lost 2 times over the Golan) ...the problem is you say they won it in battle. you do realize that that doesn't mean anything right? you can't expand your boundaries by military campaigns it isn't recognized. It is recognized as Syrian. countries have been expanding their boundaries by military campaigns for millenia. Eventually that gets recognized. I don't see anyone who says the Franks should go back to Germany and let the Gauls rule France, do you see them?
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
The Arabs should get used to the fact that the Golan is Israel , Syria lost , thats it, and the Syrians will just have to get used to it, they are not in a position to demand it back at any rate. besides, I don't think the Arabs would have cared much if they theoretically managed to take Tel Aviv, it wouldnt matter if it was "occupied under international law", they would have consolidated it into whatever state happend to take it.
Stesilaus
The Jews will have to get used to the fact that Israel is Palestine. Ironically, that's a "fact on the ground" of Israel's own making: By ensuring that there can be no viable Palestinian state, they've effectively torpedoed the "two-state solution". Therefore there will be a "one state solution", and that state's voting majority won't be Jewish. Look to South Africa's recent past to see Israel's near future.
well , its one prediction , but I would rather go for the other assumption, of course the doom and gloom predictions are convinient for you,, but then , youre a wacko and in most ways, my enemy , so its not really a useful opinion. and no , Israel is not Palestine,Please Log In to post.
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