Did a Bible prophecy just come true?

[QUOTE="AzzoLovesBirdy"][QUOTE="Overlord93"] the immediate assumption that he hasn't read it is no different from the assumptions he is making, thus. your point is invalid.Overlord93

My assumption is an indirect challenge for him to dispute. If he has read it, he'll tell me otherwise, if not, then my assumption is correct. Either way that doesn't have any affect on my point. He's calling something false, without any reasoning.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

[QUOTE="AzzoLovesBirdy"]

My assumption is an indirect challenge for him to dispute. If he has read it, he'll tell me otherwise, if not, then my assumption is correct. Either way that doesn't have any affect on my point. He's calling something false, without any reasoning.AzzoLovesBirdy

You could take almost anything for a prophecy that just came true.

I can make 10,000 outlandish predictions for the future. If I have a success rate of 1/1,000 that means I'll have 10 successful predictions. People will write books on my 10 successful predictions and call me some prophet, all the while not focusing on the 9,990 predictions I got wrong.

That's pretty much the Bible for ya as well as it is 99% help those who are less fortunate than yourself, and 1% on the stuff you shouldn't do. Funny how that 1% is always taken way more seriously than that first 99%.

Wasdie

his reasoning. A large amount of facts and statements set down in the bible have, and can be dispoved. thus, it is false. Overlord93

[QUOTE="AzzoLovesBirdy"][QUOTE="Overlord93"] your calling that he hasn't read it...without any reasoning

Overlord93

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="AzzoLovesBirdy"] My reason is this: If he had read it, prayed and sincerely asked God in faith if the book was true, he wouldn't have made his initial comment. The only way you can call me on that is if you do everything I just said. I challenge you to prove me wrong.AzzoLovesBirdy

The only real way you're going to know, if what I say is false, is to do what I ask. I'm extending you the chance to find out. Are you doing the same for me, for your case?

also holy book said that before jesus come , the sun will rise from the west... lets wait for that then ......gubrushadow

I'm a Christian. (I feel this relates to the topic on hand, I feel I will state that I am a Christian haha)

2012 people!

Bible predictions are just like fortune cookies and astrology. They're all so vague that they can be applied to almost any situation, and yet none of them are really true.

You could take almost anything for a prophecy that just came true.

I can make 10,000 outlandish predictions for the future. If I have a success rate of 1/1,000 that means I'll have 10 successful predictions. People will write books on my 10 successful predictions and call me some prophet, all the while not focusing on the 9,990 predictions I got wrong.

That's pretty much the Bible for ya as well as it is 99% help those who are less fortunate than yourself, and 1% on the stuff you shouldn't do. Funny how that 1% is always taken way more seriously than that first 99%.

No teh Bible is teh evilz!! :lol:..

That is interesting though..

Iran and turkey aren't exactly in the best "relations" to form an alliance, and Turkey and Russia have a very very long history of grief against each other.krazy-blazer

[QUOTE="optiplex7"]

Then i guess they need to be number 1 economy in the west while they get attacked by northern countries for this to be fully "fullfilled"

GabuEx

I'm also fairly sure that Russia,Iran, and Turkey did not exist when the the Book of Ezekiel was written, so...

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

You could take almost anything for a prophecy that just came true.

I can make 10,000 outlandish predictions for the future. If I have a success rate of 1/1,000 that means I'll have 10 successful predictions. People will write books on my 10 successful predictions and call me some prophet, all the while not focusing on the 9,990 predictions I got wrong.

That's pretty much the Bible for ya as well as it is 99% help those who are less fortunate than yourself, and 1% on the stuff you shouldn't do. Funny how that 1% is always taken way more seriously than that first 99%.

AzzoLovesBirdy

weren't steel birds also described in the ancient tablets of the Sumerians thousands of years before the bible?

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="AzzoLovesBirdy"] My reason is this: If he had read it, prayed and sincerely asked God in faith if the book was true, he wouldn't have made his initial comment. The only way you can call me on that is if you do everything I just said. I challenge you to prove me wrong.vg_plr77

@Overlord93

Did you report me to the mods? lol if you did.So just for laughs I'll ask you again. Are you able to produce any of these facts and statements from the Bible that have been disproven?

Deuteronomy says "oil" and "hidden treasures" will be found in Israel in
the last days of history. The prophecies of Ezekiel 38 & 39 indicate Israel
will be significantly prosperous in the last days, before a
Russian-Iranian-Turkish(army of the north)alliance forms against her and seeks to destroy her.

Another Ynet headline today: "ISRAEL'S ECONOMY CHARGES AHEAD; 4.7% growth
in Q2: Israel's economic growth hits 4.7% in second quarter of 2010, leaving
behind Euro bloc at 4.1%." Key point: Israel now has the fastest growing
economy in the West.

Here is the proof or the coincidence http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139163

What are your thoughts? Middle east was always packed with oil? Its just a fluke? Or do you believe this may be a prophecy fullfilled?

optiplex7

I hope not.

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

[QUOTE="clayron"]I am a Christian and even I think that is stretching. Some please post the "Oh Lawd" pic.clayron

atheistism for the win

Deuteronomy says "oil" and "hidden treasures" will be found in Israel in
the last days of history. The prophecies of Ezekiel 38 & 39 indicate Israel
will be significantly prosperous in the last days, before a
Russian-Iranian-Turkish(army of the north)alliance forms against her and seeks to destroy her.

Another Ynet headline today: "ISRAEL'S ECONOMY CHARGES AHEAD; 4.7% growth
in Q2: Israel's economic growth hits 4.7% in second quarter of 2010, leaving
behind Euro bloc at 4.1%." Key point: Israel now has the fastest growing
economy in the West.

Here is the proof or the coincidence http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139163

What are your thoughts? Middle east was always packed with oil? Its just a fluke? Or do you believe this may be a prophecy fullfilled?

optiplex7

Well, Yeah... If the Bible fortold it and it happened... How is that a fluke???

Here is something to spice this thread up discuss whether these are too vague still, too true or just a fluke! How about the fact that many Bible prophecies have come true here is a list.

1.The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3. Prophecy fulfilled. This happened exactly as predicted on May 14, 1948.

2.Israel shall be brought forth in(become a nation again)one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8.Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.

3.Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967.

4.There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. This prophecy is true. NUKES!!!

5.The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This prophecy is exact. (You can get a bible worldwide now in any language)

6.In the latter days when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. (don't screw with russia)

7.There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is absolutely astounding. It is estimated by some that the population of the entire world at the time of Christ was only about 200,000,000. How then could the Bible have ever told the location of a nation and given such a figure as the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. (THIS one is kinda SCARY whether you believe the bible or not!)

8.The currency in Israel at the time of the end would be the shekel. The currency had been the Israeli pound until June 1980, when it was changed to the shekel.

9.There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is a perfect description of the European Economic Community (the EEC), which is in the process right now of adopting the one-currency system for many of their member nations. (Think of the new Currency EUROS! creepy!

Here is my arguement. Prophecy 8 seems pretty damn hard to guess also guessing that a nation to the east would have a 200 million person army was a pretty good guess to those would be my hardest ones to argue.

Here is something to spice this thread up discuss whether these are too vague still, too true or just a fluke! How about the fact that many Bible prophecies have come true here is a list.

1.The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3. Prophecy fulfilled. This happened exactly as predicted on May 14, 1948.

2.Israel shall be brought forth in(become a nation again)one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8.Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.

3.Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967.

4.There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. This prophecy is true. NUKES!!!

5.The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This prophecy is exact. (You can get a bible worldwide now in any language)

6.In the latter days when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. (don't screw with russia)

7.There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is absolutely astounding. It is estimated by some that the population of the entire world at the time of Christ was only about 200,000,000. How then could the Bible have ever told the location of a nation and given such a figure as the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. (THIS one is kinda SCARY whether you believe the bible or not!)

8.The currency in Israel at the time of the end would be the shekel. The currency had been the Israeli pound until June 1980, when it was changed to the shekel.

9.There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is a perfect description of the European Economic Community (the EEC), which is in the process right now of adopting the one-currency system for many of their member nations. (Think of the new Currency EUROS! creepy!

Here is my arguement. Prophecy 8 seems pretty damn hard to guess also guessing that a nation to the east would have a 200 million person army was a pretty good guess to those would be my hardest ones to argue.

optiplex7

what about shekal, man how in the world did he randomly know what the currency name would be for israel? that one makes me think hard.

what about shekal, man how in the world did he randomly know what the currency name would be for israel? that one makes me think hard.

optiplex7

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="optiplex7"]

what about shekal, man how in the world did he randomly know what the currency name would be for israel? that one makes me think hard.

dreDREb13

muhahahaa :twisted:

Go ahead, let them invade Israel, because I don't care about a country that let's Zionism ruin it's relationship with the rest of the world. As far as I'm concerned, it's not just the Jews who were "promised" that land, but anyone who is believes in the God of Abraham, which is a pretty big list. Christians and Muslims didn't exist at the point of the "promise" but because of do proximity of relationship they certainly deserve access to it. Israel and Palestine need to become a single unified state, no more Iraeli settlements pushing Palestinians out of their land. It's the only real fix.

All in all it's just the Israeli position that ruins the state of peace that could exist in the Middle East. We (the US) get involved and let the AIPAC get involved in our politics (yeah screw off AIPAC!) just because many Jews from the US went to Israel and Jews here have ties to the current Israel. Conflict there makes the US military industrial complex lots of money, though Israel now makes alot of it's own arms now outside of aircraft.

Maybe, I don't know.

Here is something to spice this thread up discuss whether these are too vague still, too true or just a fluke! How about the fact that many Bible prophecies have come true here is a list.

1.The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3. Prophecy fulfilled. This happened exactly as predicted on May 14, 1948.

2.Israel shall be brought forth in(become a nation again)one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8.Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.

3.Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967.

4.There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. This prophecy is true. NUKES!!!

5.The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This prophecy is exact. (You can get a bible worldwide now in any language)

6.In the latter days when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. (don't screw with russia)

7.There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is absolutely astounding. It is estimated by some that the population of the entire world at the time of Christ was only about 200,000,000. How then could the Bible have ever told the location of a nation and given such a figure as the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. (THIS one is kinda SCARY whether you believe the bible or not!)

8.The currency in Israel at the time of the end would be the shekel. The currency had been the Israeli pound until June 1980, when it was changed to the shekel.

9.There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is a perfect description of the European Economic Community (the EEC), which is in the process right now of adopting the one-currency system for many of their member nations. (Think of the new Currency EUROS! creepy!

Here is my arguement. Prophecy 8 seems pretty damn hard to guess also guessing that a nation to the east would have a 200 million person army was a pretty good guess to those would be my hardest ones to argue.

optiplex7

Prophecies 1, 2, 3 and 8 are all self fulfilling prophecies. The motivation to end the diaspora and recreate Israel are all born from the Bible. The change to the shekel in particular was to give Israel a currency with a Hebrew name.

Prophecy 5 hasn't really been fulfilled, as it needs the Gospel to be preached in all nations, not simply printed (which honestly, is a huge distinction).

Prophecy 7 I'm not sure where that is in the Bible, but for something with the foresight to get the number of the army exactly right, surprisingly fails to realize that China is not the end of the earth (since it's, you know, round and all). Not to mention that China has never claimed it's going to field an army this size, in fact the only reference I can find to this figure are religious prophecy websites.

[QUOTE="optiplex7"]

Here is something to spice this thread up discuss whether these are too vague still, too true or just a fluke! How about the fact that many Bible prophecies have come true here is a list.

1.The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3. Prophecy fulfilled. This happened exactly as predicted on May 14, 1948.

2.Israel shall be brought forth in(become a nation again)one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8.Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.

3.Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967.

4.There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. This prophecy is true. NUKES!!!

5.The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This prophecy is exact. (You can get a bible worldwide now in any language)

6.In the latter days when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. (don't screw with russia)

7.There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is absolutely astounding. It is estimated by some that the population of the entire world at the time of Christ was only about 200,000,000. How then could the Bible have ever told the location of a nation and given such a figure as the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. (THIS one is kinda SCARY whether you believe the bible or not!)

8.The currency in Israel at the time of the end would be the shekel. The currency had been the Israeli pound until June 1980, when it was changed to the shekel.

9.There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is a perfect description of the European Economic Community (the EEC), which is in the process right now of adopting the one-currency system for many of their member nations. (Think of the new Currency EUROS! creepy!

Here is my arguement. Prophecy 8 seems pretty damn hard to guess also guessing that a nation to the east would have a 200 million person army was a pretty good guess to those would be my hardest ones to argue.

Danm_999

Prophecies 1, 2, 3 and 8 are all self fulfilling prophecies. The motivation to end the diaspora and recreate Israel are all born from the Bible. The change to the shekel in particular was to give Israel a currency with a Hebrew name.

Prophecy 5 hasn't really been fulfilled, as it needs the Gospel to be preached in all nations, not simply printed (which honestly, is a huge distinction).

Prophecy 7 I'm not sure where that is in the Bible, but for something with the foresight to get the number of the army exactly right, surprisingly fails to realize that China is not the end of the earth (since it's, you know, round and all). Not to mention that China has never claimed it's going to field an army this size, in fact the only reference I can find to this figure are religious prophecy websites.

#5 is basically a self-fulfilling prophecy too, anyway.

Also, it should be noted that, with regards to #6, when the Soviet Union was still in place, people identified both Gog and Magog with it. Now that the Soviet Union has broken up, however, people tend to try to find some other country to stand in for Gog. Funny how no matter how much an interpretation of a prophecy changes, it never ceases to be 100% certain... :P

EDIT: Also, um, I just looked up all four of Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. None of them even remotely speak of "weapons that could destroy the world".

Why dont you know by now that prophesies in the bible are fake...Let me rephrase that...nothing in the bible was true. IMO

We will not know when the world will end, I wish that people would stop trying to predict when the world will end.The_Kliq

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="optiplex7"]

Here is something to spice this thread up discuss whether these are too vague still, too true or just a fluke! How about the fact that many Bible prophecies have come true here is a list.

1.The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3. Prophecy fulfilled. This happened exactly as predicted on May 14, 1948.

2.Israel shall be brought forth in(become a nation again)one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8.Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.

3.Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967.

4.There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. This prophecy is true. NUKES!!!

5.The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This prophecy is exact. (You can get a bible worldwide now in any language)

6.In the latter days when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. (don't screw with russia)

7.There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is absolutely astounding. It is estimated by some that the population of the entire world at the time of Christ was only about 200,000,000. How then could the Bible have ever told the location of a nation and given such a figure as the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. (THIS one is kinda SCARY whether you believe the bible or not!)

8.The currency in Israel at the time of the end would be the shekel. The currency had been the Israeli pound until June 1980, when it was changed to the shekel.

9.There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is a perfect description of the European Economic Community (the EEC), which is in the process right now of adopting the one-currency system for many of their member nations. (Think of the new Currency EUROS! creepy!

Here is my arguement. Prophecy 8 seems pretty damn hard to guess also guessing that a nation to the east would have a 200 million person army was a pretty good guess to those would be my hardest ones to argue.

GabuEx

Prophecies 1, 2, 3 and 8 are all self fulfilling prophecies. The motivation to end the diaspora and recreate Israel are all born from the Bible. The change to the shekel in particular was to give Israel a currency with a Hebrew name.

Prophecy 5 hasn't really been fulfilled, as it needs the Gospel to be preached in all nations, not simply printed (which honestly, is a huge distinction).

Prophecy 7 I'm not sure where that is in the Bible, but for something with the foresight to get the number of the army exactly right, surprisingly fails to realize that China is not the end of the earth (since it's, you know, round and all). Not to mention that China has never claimed it's going to field an army this size, in fact the only reference I can find to this figure are religious prophecy websites.

#5 is basically a self-fulfilling prophecy too, anyway.

Also, it should be noted that, with regards to #6, when the Soviet Union was still in place, people identified both Gog and Magog with it. Now that the Soviet Union has broken up, however, people tend to try to find some other country to stand in for Gog. Funny how no matter how much an interpretation of a prophecy changes, it never ceases to be 100% certain... :P

EDIT: Also, um, I just looked up all four of Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. None of them even remotely speak of "weapons that could destroy the world".

I agree with you on this point, although those bible verses talk about the end of the world, it doens't talk about "weapons that could destroy the world", it more so talks about percentages of the worlds population dying when the end time comes (or, Revelations does, Mark talks about how if the Lord had not cut the days short, no one would survive. But for the elect, whom he had chosen, he has shortened them. (yes, that was basically just the bible verse :P))

I think optiplex interperted those verses to mean 'Weapons of Mass Destrcution'. I can't say its right or wrong. But I don't agree with his interpertation.