did american make a mistake when bombing .japan?

What's up with these topics all of a sudden?qetuo6

My thoughts exactly, can't we argue about something else, preferably not about America?

[QUOTE="qetuo6"]What's up with these topics all of a sudden?Sajo7

My thoughts exactly, can't we argue about something else, preferably not about America?

 He made this exact same topic a couple of days ago, except he added "is america evil?" to the end of it, which the admins though would just cause flaming.  I guess he really needs closure.

America was stupid to drop the bomb so to speak on japan.  One attack does not justify the deaths and injuries of 200000 innocent people.  O well, those damn japs deserved it at the time.

AT THE TIME!
No suspension plz.

lets see, millions of people died horrible deaths, being disenigrated, and the skin literally being melted off of them, people people are still being effected today because of the radiation...i'd say it was a mistake. i don't care what country your from, how "evil" you are, or how resiliant your country is, no one deserves that.

America was stupid to drop the bomb so to speak on japan. One attack does not justify the deaths and injuries of 200000 innocent people. O well, those damn japs deserved it at the time.

AT THE TIME!
No suspension plz.

FaII_of_Dusk

One attack?  I do believe there was a war going on between late 1941 and 1945 when the bombs were dropped. 

lets see, millions of people died horrible deaths, being disenigrated, and the skin literally being melted off of them, people people are still being effected today because of the radiation...i'd say it was a mistake. i don't care what country your from, how "evil" you are, or how resiliant your country is, no one deserves that.

dante_123456

I don't mean to sound like some patriotic yahoo, but I would've prefered that to drowning in a steel coffin.

War sucks, and the bomb reduced its suckiness in the long run.

We should've just continued the firebombing campaign.  A tour de force is nice, but not when it produces unwanted... side effects.  Setting the entire country ablaze in a hellish firestorm would've sufficed.Dark__Link

Well, to be fair no one was aware of the severity of the side effects until after it was dropped.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]We should've just continued the firebombing campaign. A tour de force is nice, but not when it produces unwanted... side effects. Setting the entire country ablaze in a hellish firestorm would've sufficed.Sajo7

Well, to be fair no one was aware of the severity of the side effects until after it was dropped.

True; I'd be rather concerned if they were. 

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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]We should've just continued the firebombing campaign. A tour de force is nice, but not when it produces unwanted... side effects. Setting the entire country ablaze in a hellish firestorm would've sufficed.Dark__Link

Well, to be fair no one was aware of the severity of the side effects until after it was dropped.

True; I'd be rather concerned if they were. 

Actually now that I remember the science folk said there was a possibility the bomb could knock the Earth off it's Axis. :lol:

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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]We should've just continued the firebombing campaign. A tour de force is nice, but not when it produces unwanted... side effects. Setting the entire country ablaze in a hellish firestorm would've sufficed.Sajo7

Well, to be fair no one was aware of the severity of the side effects until after it was dropped.

True; I'd be rather concerned if they were.

Actually now that I remember the science folk said there was a possibility the bomb could knock the Earth off it's Axis. :lol:

good thing they were wrong... 

I find it interesting that people take issue with the dropping of the atomic bombs, and yet we killed far more with firebombing Japanese cities.  Odd.

Anyway I don't think bombing civilian targets (except maybe for factories that assist the war effort) is appropriate.  At the same time I can understand that those folks making the decision were looking at what was going to be a horrific invasion an occupation that could have gone on for ages and possibly could have resulted in even more deaths.
duxup

This will probably come back to bite me in the ***, but I feel that when a war gets as ugly as it did in WWII, I feel that one side should end it at all costs, including civilian targets.

[QUOTE="duxup"]I find it interesting that people take issue with the dropping of the atomic bombs, and yet we killed far more with firebombing Japanese cities. Odd.

Anyway I don't think bombing civilian targets (except maybe for factories that assist the war effort) is appropriate. At the same time I can understand that those folks making the decision were looking at what was going to be a horrific invasion an occupation that could have gone on for ages and possibly could have resulted in even more deaths.
Sajo7

This will probably come back to bite me in the ***, but I feel that when a war gets as ugly as it did in WWII, I feel that one side should end it at all costs, including civilian targets.

In general I disagree.  It is interesting how at the beginning of the war propaganda talked about how the Japanese and Germans attacked civilians and how horrible that was etc.  Then at the end we're targeting residential areas for firebombing just to up the civilian deaths as much as possible.  It's a disturbing change.

At the same time I can understand why they chose to do what they did.  I don't agree with it but I can understand why they made call.

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[QUOTE="qetuo6"]What's up with these topics all of a sudden?guynamedbilly

My thoughts exactly, can't we argue about something else, preferably not about America?

He made this exact same topic a couple of days ago, except he added "is america evil?" to the end of it, which the admins though would just cause flaming. I guess he really needs closure.

indeed, im surprised that u recall that incident 

no

They deserved it for Pearl Harbor, maybe thats a bit harsh actually.... I had family on my mothers side who were killed there (Uncles, Aunts, ect.).donut349

even though the casualties at PH were much less then the atomic bombings? 

The atomic bombs were used to force people into surrendering without losing more American troops. This was well thought out before hand. The American command wasn't going to drop bombs on Yokohama, Kyoto, Nara or Tokyo or other cultural and historical centers for instance. Those two cities that were bombed were industrial centers if I remember properly. Additionally, with Japan being the ally of Germany, it was also a sign to tell them "stop or you got some of this too".

So, no it wasn't a mistake, Japan sneak attacked the United States in Pearl Harbor and indeed woke a sleeping giant.

[QUOTE="donut349"]They deserved it for Pearl Harbor, maybe thats a bit harsh actually.... I had family on my mothers side who were killed there (Uncles, Aunts, ect.).peypan

even though the casualties at PH were much less then the atomic bombings? 

I cherish any and all my family members, they aren't a number to me.

No. Also it is kind of funny how America was pulled into both World Wars and kicked ass up and down the battlefield in both of them.

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[QUOTE="donut349"]They deserved it for Pearl Harbor, maybe thats a bit harsh actually.... I had family on my mothers side who were killed there (Uncles, Aunts, ect.).donut349

even though the casualties at PH were much less then the atomic bombings?

I cherish any and all my family members, they aren't a number to me.

[QUOTE="peypan"]

[QUOTE="donut349"]They deserved it for Pearl Harbor, maybe thats a bit harsh actually.... I had family on my mothers side who were killed there (Uncles, Aunts, ect.).donut349

even though the casualties at PH were much less then the atomic bombings?

I cherish any and all my family members, they aren't a number to me.

i see... im sorry for the losses... 

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[QUOTE="donut349"]They deserved it for Pearl Harbor, maybe thats a bit harsh actually.... I had family on my mothers side who were killed there (Uncles, Aunts, ect.).Def_Jef88

even though the casualties at PH were much less then the atomic bombings?

I cherish any and all my family members, they aren't a number to me.

It's what the tc was implying.... I said that because of the word "casualties".

Well, the Japanese were killing a ton of Chinese. The 'Rape of Nanking' killed more than the bombs did, and they had millions of slave laborers over there too. So we werent only stopping American guys from being killed when invading, but we were saving all of them.

 And it showed off to Stalin.

lets see, millions of people died horrible deaths, being disenigrated, and the skin literally being melted off of them, people people are still being effected today because of the radiation...i'd say it was a mistake. i don't care what country your from, how "evil" you are, or how resiliant your country is, no one deserves that.

dante_123456

A little overstatement on casualties?

"By December of 1945, thousands had died from their injuries and radiation poisoning, bringing the total killed in Hiroshima in 1945 to perhaps 140,000."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Post-attack_casualties

Actually, millions would have died if the US had needed to invade. The Japanese were turning out substandard last-ditch rifles for inadequately trained civilians and soldiers. If you use the casualty rates for the invasion of Okinawa to extrapolate what the invasion of the main islands of japan would have been like you reach a near genocidal figure.

You shouldn't forget that there were still factions that didn't want to surrender. There was an attempted Coup the day that the Emperor's radio address in which he officially surrendered, and Tojo (the Prime Minister at the start of the war) attempted to commit suicide rather than be arrested by american forces.

Oh yeah, more Japanese civilians died at Okinawa than at Hiroshima, mostly through suicide.  Think about that.

[QUOTE="duxup"]I find it interesting that people take issue with the dropping of the atomic bombs, and yet we killed far more with firebombing Japanese cities. Odd.

Anyway I don't think bombing civilian targets (except maybe for factories that assist the war effort) is appropriate. At the same time I can understand that those folks making the decision were looking at what was going to be a horrific invasion an occupation that could have gone on for ages and possibly could have resulted in even more deaths.
Sajo7

This will probably come back to bite me in the ***, but I feel that when a war gets as ugly as it did in WWII, I feel that one side should end it at all costs, including civilian targets.

your right though.. look at what the japanese did to the chinese. they where exterminating them and playing games with them. that's as worse as the  nazi they decided to drop the bomb for a greater cause and that was to stop the war.

during world war ii, the US bombed the japanese cities of hiroshima and nagasaki. the japenese refused to surrender to the war and they were warned about the bombs well before the attack. the bombs were the first [maybe only?] atomic bombs to be dropped not as a test. was this a mistake? peypan

during world war ii, the US bombed the japanese cities of hiroshima and nagasaki. the japenese refused to surrender to the war and they were warned about the bombs well before the attack. the bombs were the first [maybe only?] atomic bombs to be dropped not as a test. was this a mistake? peypan

No. It made a statement to everyone that was causing trouble at the time. The Cold war wouldn't have been so 'cold' if the bombs hadn't been dropped.guynamedbilly

yeah, it was bad but it had to be done! 

[QUOTE="peypan"]during world war ii, the US bombed the japanese cities of hiroshima and nagasaki. the japenese refused to surrender to the war and they were warned about the bombs well before the attack. the bombs were the first [maybe only?] atomic bombs to be dropped not as a test. was this a mistake? camreeno360

Give him a break, it's not like this nation's history classes give us the full story.