Did I screw over a **** man?

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#101 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Wrong. We have ZERO first hand evidence presented in this story. We have second or third hand at best. And I'm skeptical whenever another persons conclusions are involved.

I suppose you have heard the saying...three sides to every story.

jeremiah06

When did I say that we have any first hand evidence?

But this is not a matter of conclusions. The events are just being trasferred to us. With the narrators conclusions which like I said we do apply skepticism on. But we dont apply skepticism on events selectively. There should be a criterion and a reason why you apply skepticism on the x part of the story and not on the y part. And why the scenarios that you bring up us x and not y.

We, conventionally and for the sake of the discussion (I repeat) assume he is not lying about the events. If we dont, we can apply skepticism to any part of the story. Not selectively and with selective possible scenarios.

You guys! This arguing is meaningless. Fact! Two wrongs don't make a right. The tactful thing to do would have been saying no. How crappy of a person do you have to be(noticing that 99% of the posters agree with TC) to go out of your way to screw over a mentally retard man???? I understand you're MrGeezer a man's man, no ones *****, but come on!!! Why not say no right off giving him time to find another ride?

I am not saying MrGeezer was right to not be clear towards the mentally challenged person because his co-workers did the same. or generally didnt treat that person the way they should.

All I said was that his co-workers are to blame for the same thing. Therefore if I were them, I wouldnt have the face to go and blame MrGeezer.

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#102 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]When did I say that we have any first hand evidence?

But this is not a matter of conclusions. The events are just being trasferred to us. With the narrators conclusions which like I said we do apply skepticism on. But we dont apply skepticism on events selectively. There should be a criterion and a reason why you apply skepticism on the x part of the story and not on the y part. And why the scenarios that you bring up us x and not y.

We, conventionally and for the sake of the discussion (I repeat) assume he is not lying about the events. If we dont, we can apply skepticism to any part of the story. Not selectively and with selective possible scenarios.

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You guys! This arguing is meaningless. Fact! Two wrongs don't make a right. The tactful thing to do would have been saying no. How crappy of a person do you have to be(noticing that 99% of the posters agree with TC) to go out of your way to screw over a mentally retard man???? I understand you're MrGeezer a man's man, no ones *****, but come on!!! Why not say no right off giving him time to find another ride?

I am not saying MrGeezer was right to not be clear towards the mentally challenged person because his co-workers did the same. or generally didnt treat that person the way they should.

All I said was that his co-workers are to blame for the same thing. Therefore if I were them, I wouldnt have the face to go and blame MrGeezer.

There is a distinct difference between not showing up for a party and delaying him out of pure, admitted spite. "All I did was not show up to a party, you cost him the gold". If a coworker said that they wouldn't be wrong.
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#103 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] You guys! This arguing is meaningless. Fact! Two wrongs don't make a right. The tactful thing to do would have been saying no. How crappy of a person do you have to be(noticing that 99% of the posters agree with TC) to go out of your way to screw over a mentally retard man???? I understand you're MrGeezer a man's man, no ones *****, but come on!!! Why not say no right off giving him time to find another ride?jeremiah06

I am not saying MrGeezer was right to not be clear towards the mentally challenged person because his co-workers did the same. or generally didnt treat that person the way they should.

All I said was that his co-workers are to blame for the same thing. Therefore if I were them, I wouldnt have the face to go and blame MrGeezer.

There is a distinct difference between not showing up for a party and delaying him out of pure, admitted spite. "All I did was not show up to a party, you cost him the gold". If a coworker said that they wouldn't be wrong.

Not showing up for a party could very possibly have a great psychological impact on the mentally challenged person. One that can be compared to a loss of the golden metal. Mind you.. to the eyes of the mentally challenged person. Its not me and you here. We would value the gold metal more than people attending our party (and that may even not apply to everyone who is not mentally challenged) but that doesnt mean that the mentally challenged person would. In fact I dont think its false to say that it is very likely that the mentally challenged person would get equally sad.

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#104 chrisrooR
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Tell him the truth, and if you get socially ostracized at work, tell all of your co-workers the truth of the situation. I understand that it may be hard to do, but don't drive him home again. Ever. If he asks, just simply decline, you need not provide a reason. If he asks why you can't, let him know you have prior arrangements.
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#105 Solid-CELL
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why dont you just talk to him like a REGULAR HUMAN BEING? Tell him how you feel, why you feel like that, and what your going to do. And if he does decide to say it was your fault that he might lose, then that would be your ace in the hole to stop giving him rides.
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#106 pete_merlin
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~You made the wrong decision. In fact, you made the cowards decision. What you should have done was not screw him over but instead have drove him home but the next time he asks for a lift say YOU CANT. Saying no really is that simple and you'd be surprised how less people ask you for stuff when you begin to say no often.

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#107 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I am not saying MrGeezer was right to not be clear towards the mentally challenged person because his co-workers did the same. or generally didnt treat that person the way they should.

All I said was that his co-workers are to blame for the same thing. Therefore if I were them, I wouldnt have the face to go and blame MrGeezer.

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There is a distinct difference between not showing up for a party and delaying him out of pure, admitted spite. "All I did was not show up to a party, you cost him the gold". If a coworker said that they wouldn't be wrong.

Not showing up for a party could very possibly have a great psychological impact on the mentally challenged person. One that can be compared to a loss of the golden metal. Mind you.. to the eyes of the mentally challenged person. Its not me and you here. We would value the gold metal more than people attending our party (and that may even not apply to everyone who is not mentally challenged) but that doesnt mean that the mentally challenged person would. In fact I dont think its false to say that it is very likely that the mentally challenged person would get equally sad.

hmm... You have a point there. There is no way to gauge how he would respond to each situation. However, as mentally stable people we should assume that the "bigger deal" event should be handled more preciously than the more trivial ones. The act of assigning blame has nothing to do with the MCM. In a perfect world both parties would be equally frowned, but according to our thought process MrGeezer actions were worse. In the end I will agree with your point and hopefully as a sane adult you'd agree with mine.
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#108 roosuu
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Just ditch the guy at the end of the day. When you need to go home, just go straight to the car and drive home without speaking to him. Wear headphones when doing so to make it look like you can't hear him.
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#109 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] There is a distinct difference between not showing up for a party and delaying him out of pure, admitted spite. "All I did was not show up to a party, you cost him the gold". If a coworker said that they wouldn't be wrong.jeremiah06

Not showing up for a party could very possibly have a great psychological impact on the mentally challenged person. One that can be compared to a loss of the golden metal. Mind you.. to the eyes of the mentally challenged person. Its not me and you here. We would value the gold metal more than people attending our party (and that may even not apply to everyone who is not mentally challenged) but that doesnt mean that the mentally challenged person would. In fact I dont think its false to say that it is very likely that the mentally challenged person would get equally sad.

hmm... You have a point there. There is no way to gauge how he would respond to each situation. However, as mentally stable people we should assume that the "bigger deal" event should be handled more preciously than the more trivial ones. The act of assigning blame has nothing to do with the MCM. In a perfect world both parties would be equally frowned, but according to our thought process MrGeezer actions were worse. In the end I will agree with your point and hopefully as a sane adult you'd agree with mine.

Shouldnt the parametre by which we judge the two situations be the person most immediately involved? Or at least consider it?

Of course the situations are not completely the same but I dont see that huge of a difference that excuses the co-workers to scold Geezer.

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#110 0Tyler0
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Interesting topic Just need to be firm and say no. This guy is obviously impacting your life in a negative way. Anybody who criticizes you is a moron. You tried to be nice, but it's just not working out very well.
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#111 Bored_Employee
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I think everyone already knows that "William" is a huge jerk, thats why they don't show up at his parties, to intentionally offend him. It's like taking cheap shots when no one's looking at a person they don't like, but can't really express it, because he's mentally challenged.
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#112 ForsakenWicked
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If I was you, I would've told him that I cannot be driving him home whenever he wants. I don't treat mentally retarded people as if they were more important than me.
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#113 MrGeezer
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I agree. They are not in the position to blaim him for anything.

LJS9502_basic

Well actually he should be blamed for not telling the dude he didn't want to drive him home thus giving him time to leave by finding alternate plans. Instead, he delayed for some time to deliberately punish the dude. And considering the dude is mentally challenged...well that wasn't right. A simple no dude. I'm not leaving for several hours and I don't want to take you home would have the correct response. He was under no obligation to give the man a ride. However, he handled it wrong and for that he has to take the blame.

Except that he wouldn't do that. Like I said, I'm the only one at my place of employment who he asks to drive him around. Any other time, he calls up Carter and has Carter pick him up after getting off work. Carter usually gets off work very late, like 1 AM or 2 AM.

So any way you look at it, as long as I take him home before 1 AM, he's still getting home sooner than if he waited around for Carter to get off work.

Secondly, I don't recall ever telling the dude that I was taking him home as soon as I got off work. If he ever got that idea, he sure as hell didn't get it from me.

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#114 NarutoFever1
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wow...just wow

This.

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#115 Arach666
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I have never seen the term"mentally retarded"so many times in a sigle text in my life...
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#116 Hathesulacon
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You have to assert yourself. Of course a mentally retarded man does process things far more slowly than others so he may not understand that he is pissing u off.