It's okay, at least okay enough for me to buy a BD version.
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Nope but it may be the fact because I read the book. It seems a big cashgrab to me. Miroku32Any form of entertainment is a "cash grab"....or did you think books, movies, games, music, sports are created merely to amuse without compensation?
Good: Martin Freeman is an unbelievably good actor and a perfect Bilbo. We get to see a lot more of the more exotic, fantastical parts of Middle Earth, and the visuals are to die for. Azog is fantastic at being a terrifingly brutal antagonist. Most of the funny parts are pretty funny.
Bad: Did not care for the cartooniness, especially in the battle scenes. Orcs looked oddly slimy. Benedict Cumberbatch doesn't do anything. Has a significant problem with dragging on.
I can't wait. I'll be there for the midnight screening as well. Had fun at the last. I have to say I didn't enjoy the 3D HFR version as much as the standard. I feel like 3D HFR was just too much. But when I saw it without 3D I LOVED it like I loved the trilogy.Can't wait for The Hobbit : The Desolation of Smaug releasing 31st Dec ( my most anticipated movie for 2013 ). Enjoyed The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey same as Lord of the rings Trilogy. Martin Freeman (Bilbo Baggins) and Richard Armitage (Thorin) chars impressed me very much.
Who's anticipating The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug?
indzman
[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]No, it was bloated, too long, silly, had mixed tone, and just wasn't very entertainingNuck81
Of course it's silly, it's based on a childrens book. at least by the standards of that children's book.
I read the Hobbit before most of you were born. That was one of my problems with the movie, It couldn't find the right tone because it tried to stride the line between silly and serious. Pick One.The book quite successfully strode between silly and serious. The problem with the movie is that it couldn't decide between serious and campy.
Overall yes. I think some of the characters (such as some dwarfs) looked a bit weird, kind of fake looking, like it was hard to tell if they were real actors or computer generated.
I like the Necromancer and the War of the Dwarves and Orcs being shown in the movie, but I think PJ should've been a little more faithful to how those events occurred in Tolkien's writings. Particularly I think Jackson departs too much from the writings in how he does the whole Necromancer storyline, doing so in a way which actually doesn't make much sense.
But Frodo's quest was more difficult and scarrier than Bilbo's. Frodo had to contend with Ringwraiths and going into Mordor.Yeah, loved it. It was funny in a quirky sort of way. I think people who criticize it as being a kiddie-pic are really cynical people who have this "it must be serious, people must die, theremust be lamentations, and the characters cannot be happy" sort of attitude. Yeah, there's some filler, but it's about immersion in the world more than it is crafting a complex narrative (both of which work in Jackson's different films). I also think Bilbo is way more likable as a hero than Frodo. Frodo reminds me a lot of Hamlet, a whiny kid who complains the entire movie then finally manages to suceed by no real merit of his own (really, Sam is the real hero of those movies). "Sam, I don't think I can do it! Sam, pick me up when I'm exhausted! Sam, carry me up the mountain when I can't go any more! Sam, protect me from the evil troll that's planning to kill me and whom I side with against you! Sam, get me off! Sam, kill the spider that aforementioned troll sent to kill me! Sam, toss the ring into Mordor when I decide to keep it!" I seriously think "I can't do it" is the most uttered phrase out of Frodo's mouth. Bilbo's a reluctant hero, but he's someone that actually adjusts to the role of hero after being initially opposed to it. Bilbo saving Thorin is a braver act than anything Frodo ever did in three films.
theone86
I hated that drawn out piece of shit, Terrible movie with awful pacing.
Even gandolf and Sauroman were acting like they didn't want to be there., the only shining light in that puddle of putrid filth was who they cast as bilbo atleast he did a great job.
[QUOTE="Venom_Raptor"]It's the only movie in the series so far...Best movie of the series for me
chicknfeet
Are you trying to be smart or dumb I can't tell
yeah i liked it.
the dwarf song got on my nerves but that was all tied up with trying to pad out the runtime to fill up 3 full length pictures.
Yeah, sure, but I don't think it's a masterpiece or as good as any of the LotR movies. I feel like they coated everything with a CG pelicule that makes things look fake (the dwarves in particular). Gimli, in LotR, looked better as a dwarf -- and that was more than a decade ago.
Yeah I liked it...though I do think they are really stretching this book thin by making it a trilogy.Renevent42
Agreed. Â The movie was good not great. Â Definitely did not reach the highs of the first trilogy and pushing a single book that far seems like a mistake. Â But I'm sure they saw money to be made so they're going to milk it for all it's worth.Â
The movie felt stretched thin but the cinematography and the acting was pretty good so at least there's that.Â
Absolutely. I was hesitant to watch it because everyone I heard from said it was "boring with few action scenes and a lot of running/talking". In actuality, the movie was nothing like that at all...I recommend it!
Yeah, loved it.  It was funny in a quirky sort of way.  I think people who criticize it as being a kiddie-pic are really cynical people who have this "it must be serious, people must die, theremust be lamentations, and the characters cannot be happy" sort of attitude.  Yeah, there's some filler, but it's about immersion in the world more than it is crafting a complex narrative (both of which work  in Jackson's different films).  I also think Bilbo is way more likable as a hero than Frodo.  Frodo reminds me a lot of Hamlet, a whiny kid who complains the entire movie then finally manages to suceed by no real merit of his own (really, Sam is the real hero of those movies).  "Sam, I don't think I can do it!  Sam, pick me up when I'm exhausted!  Sam, carry me up the mountain when I can't go any more!  Sam, protect me from the evil troll that's planning to kill me and whom I side with against you!  Sam, get me off!  Sam, kill the spider that aforementioned troll sent to kill me!  Sam, toss the ring into Mordor when I decide to keep it!"  I seriously think "I can't do it" is the most uttered phrase out of Frodo's mouth.  Bilbo's a reluctant hero, but he's someone that actually adjusts to the role of hero after being initially opposed to it.  Bilbo saving Thorin is a braver act than anything Frodo ever did in three films.
theone86
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Your idea that Frodo's quest and Frodo's share of it was any lighter than Bilbo's is wrong. I can see why the movie might mislead you, but the bearing of the ring itself was a strenuous task for Frodo. Not only that, but Orcs and even the dragon are a much more tangible issue to deal with than Frodo's ringwraiths and Sauron as an entity. It's true that Sam was also a great hero - and many would debate that he was the *true* hero of the LotR saga - but Frodo wasn't as wimpy as people make him out to be. He's certainly not a whiny kid just because he faltered near the end; or because Gollum managed to sow dissent between him and Sam.
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Frodo walked from the Shire to Mordor, all the while being tracked by two Maiar (Sarumon and Sauron). Nothing Bilbo did was as remotely difficult as that.
[QUOTE="theone86"]
Yeah, loved it. It was funny in a quirky sort of way. I think people who criticize it as being a kiddie-pic are really cynical people who have this "it must be serious, people must die, theremust be lamentations, and the characters cannot be happy" sort of attitude. Yeah, there's some filler, but it's about immersion in the world more than it is crafting a complex narrative (both of which work in Jackson's different films). I also think Bilbo is way more likable as a hero than Frodo. Frodo reminds me a lot of Hamlet, a whiny kid who complains the entire movie then finally manages to suceed by no real merit of his own (really, Sam is the real hero of those movies). "Sam, I don't think I can do it! Sam, pick me up when I'm exhausted! Sam, carry me up the mountain when I can't go any more! Sam, protect me from the evil troll that's planning to kill me and whom I side with against you! Sam, get me off! Sam, kill the spider that aforementioned troll sent to kill me! Sam, toss the ring into Mordor when I decide to keep it!" I seriously think "I can't do it" is the most uttered phrase out of Frodo's mouth. Bilbo's a reluctant hero, but he's someone that actually adjusts to the role of hero after being initially opposed to it. Bilbo saving Thorin is a braver act than anything Frodo ever did in three films.
iHarlequin
Your idea that Frodo's quest and Frodo's share of it was any lighter than Bilbo's is wrong. I can see why the movie might mislead you, but the bearing of the ring itself was a strenuous task for Frodo. Not only that, but Orcs and even the dragon are a much more tangible issue to deal with than Frodo's ringwraiths and Sauron as an entity. It's true that Sam was also a great hero - and many would debate that he was the *true* hero of the LotR saga - but Frodo wasn't as wimpy as people make him out to be. He's certainly not a whiny kid just because he faltered near the end; or because Gollum managed to sow dissent between him and Sam.
Frodo walked from the Shire to Mordor, all the while being tracked by two Maiar (Sarumon and Sauron). Nothing Bilbo did was as remotely difficult as that.
Also Frodo sustained some injuries during his quest that weakened him. He was stabbed by a Morgul blade, stung by Shelob, and he got speared by in Moria though I think that wasn't that big of an injury (it would've been fatal though if not for his Mithril vest).[QUOTE="Bardock47"]
I enjoyed it, took me a while to get used to the differnt tone when compared to LotR. I also dislike the extreme use of CG orcs instead of using real ones like they did with the first three. They look good, but there was just something very...viscreal about having a flesh and blood actor in make up and costume. Other wise, very good.
PonchoTaco
Real orcs were used in the trilogy? :shock::P
LOL, of course! Must have been hard to control them:P But, I meant actual actors with makeu-up instead of CGI orcs:PÂ[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]
[QUOTE="theone86"]
Yeah, loved it. It was funny in a quirky sort of way. I think people who criticize it as being a kiddie-pic are really cynical people who have this "it must be serious, people must die, theremust be lamentations, and the characters cannot be happy" sort of attitude. Yeah, there's some filler, but it's about immersion in the world more than it is crafting a complex narrative (both of which work in Jackson's different films). I also think Bilbo is way more likable as a hero than Frodo. Frodo reminds me a lot of Hamlet, a whiny kid who complains the entire movie then finally manages to suceed by no real merit of his own (really, Sam is the real hero of those movies). "Sam, I don't think I can do it! Sam, pick me up when I'm exhausted! Sam, carry me up the mountain when I can't go any more! Sam, protect me from the evil troll that's planning to kill me and whom I side with against you! Sam, get me off! Sam, kill the spider that aforementioned troll sent to kill me! Sam, toss the ring into Mordor when I decide to keep it!" I seriously think "I can't do it" is the most uttered phrase out of Frodo's mouth. Bilbo's a reluctant hero, but he's someone that actually adjusts to the role of hero after being initially opposed to it. Bilbo saving Thorin is a braver act than anything Frodo ever did in three films.
whipassmt
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Your idea that Frodo's quest and Frodo's share of it was any lighter than Bilbo's is wrong. I can see why the movie might mislead you, but the bearing of the ring itself was a strenuous task for Frodo. Not only that, but Orcs and even the dragon are a much more tangible issue to deal with than Frodo's ringwraiths and Sauron as an entity. It's true that Sam was also a great hero - and many would debate that he was the *true* hero of the LotR saga - but Frodo wasn't as wimpy as people make him out to be. He's certainly not a whiny kid just because he faltered near the end; or because Gollum managed to sow dissent between him and Sam.
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Frodo walked from the Shire to Mordor, all the while being tracked by two Maiar (Sarumon and Sauron). Nothing Bilbo did was as remotely difficult as that.
Also Frodo sustained some injuries during his quest that weakened him. He was stabbed by a Morgul blade, stung by Shelob, and he got speared by in Moria though I think that wasn't that big of an injury (it would've been fatal though if not for his Mithril vest). I think the issue is that they never reestablished him as being a strong chrecter weakinging to the ring, they wrote him inherently weak. An example is in the book, he stabs the witch king on weathertop, whereas the movie he just cowers with the ringAlso Frodo sustained some injuries during his quest that weakened him. He was stabbed by a Morgul blade, stung by Shelob, and he got speared by in Moria though I think that wasn't that big of an injury (it would've been fatal though if not for his Mithril vest). I think the issue is that they never reestablished him as being a strong chrecter weakinging to the ring, they wrote him inherently weak. An example is in the book, he stabs the witch king on weathertop, whereas the movie he just cowers with the ring[QUOTE="whipassmt"]
[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]
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Your idea that Frodo's quest and Frodo's share of it was any lighter than Bilbo's is wrong. I can see why the movie might mislead you, but the bearing of the ring itself was a strenuous task for Frodo. Not only that, but Orcs and even the dragon are a much more tangible issue to deal with than Frodo's ringwraiths and Sauron as an entity. It's true that Sam was also a great hero - and many would debate that he was the *true* hero of the LotR saga - but Frodo wasn't as wimpy as people make him out to be. He's certainly not a whiny kid just because he faltered near the end; or because Gollum managed to sow dissent between him and Sam.
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Frodo walked from the Shire to Mordor, all the while being tracked by two Maiar (Sarumon and Sauron). Nothing Bilbo did was as remotely difficult as that.
Bardock47
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Aye. As I said, part of the issue is with how he was depicted in the movies - I never thought of him as whiny or useless while reading the books.
I enjoyed it somewhat, far better than lord of the rings.
WilliamRLBaker
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Also Frodo sustained some injuries during his quest that weakened him. He was stabbed by a Morgul blade, stung by Shelob, and he got speared by in Moria though I think that wasn't that big of an injury (it would've been fatal though if not for his Mithril vest). I think the issue is that they never reestablished him as being a strong chrecter weakinging to the ring, they wrote him inherently weak. An example is in the book, he stabs the witch king on weathertop, whereas the movie he just cowers with the ring Yeah. Frodo stabbed at the witch-king (but missed), and also cried out "Elbereth Gilthoniel". These two actions were part of the reason that the 5 ringwraiths at Weathertop retreated for a bit (the 4 other Ringwraiths were chasing Gandalf which is mentioned in the book but not the movie), and Frodo's resistance caused the witch-king to miss a bit, the witch-king was aiming for Frodo's heart but ended up hitting his shoulder.[QUOTE="whipassmt"]
[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]
Your idea that Frodo's quest and Frodo's share of it was any lighter than Bilbo's is wrong. I can see why the movie might mislead you, but the bearing of the ring itself was a strenuous task for Frodo. Not only that, but Orcs and even the dragon are a much more tangible issue to deal with than Frodo's ringwraiths and Sauron as an entity. It's true that Sam was also a great hero - and many would debate that he was the *true* hero of the LotR saga - but Frodo wasn't as wimpy as people make him out to be. He's certainly not a whiny kid just because he faltered near the end; or because Gollum managed to sow dissent between him and Sam.
Frodo walked from the Shire to Mordor, all the while being tracked by two Maiar (Sarumon and Sauron). Nothing Bilbo did was as remotely difficult as that.
Bardock47
It's the only movie in the series so far...[QUOTE="chicknfeet"][QUOTE="Venom_Raptor"]
Best movie of the series for me
Venom_Raptor
Are you trying to be smart or dumb I can't tell
No need to troll guy. Just trying to point out in this case different story line...different series. Might be the same world, but that's it.I just reently watched it.
I felt that this was one of those movies you have to watch in the movie theater.
Watching it at home alon on a tv screen just doesnt seem to convey the majesty of the scenery and costumes etc
Angie7F
I've actually decided to stop going to the theater so often now. Watching the movie on my computer monitor is a lot more enganging and immersive then having to deal with people yelling and cheering, bad sound speakers, uncomfortable seats, and a crappy screen projection.
[QUOTE="Venom_Raptor"][QUOTE="chicknfeet"] It's the only movie in the series so far...chicknfeet
Are you trying to be smart or dumb I can't tell
No need to troll guy. Just trying to point out in this case different story line...different series. Might be the same world, but that's it.Hmmm... well it is a prequel, and the events of The Hobbit lead right into Lord of the Rings, so it's arguable either way.
In fact, I'd say the movies are intentionally prequels to the LOTR trilogy, whereas the book, at least the original version of it, was not.
[QUOTE="Venom_Raptor"][QUOTE="chicknfeet"] It's the only movie in the series so far...chicknfeet
Are you trying to be smart or dumb I can't tell
No need to troll guy. Just trying to point out in this case different story line...different series. Might be the same world, but that's it.But overall it's still part of the same series really. Sure the title differs in the prequel trilogy, but if someone were to ask you which is the best Star Wars film, you'd take into account both trilogies, because ultimately (like The Hobbit and LOTR) they form one whole story.
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