did you like Harry Potter And the Half-BLood Prince ?

No, worst one yet. Skipped alot and added crap and did not explain things that should be explained more.

I don't know if I would go so far as to call him evil. Perhaps he did take advantage of Snape, but he did what he did "for the greater good". Commander-Gree

Yes I enjoyed it. The only part I didn't like was in the beginning when Harry was in that restaurant. It felt out of place.

I loved it. It's just good fun. If you're not looking for anything deep, and want to just watch a fun fantasy/adventure movie this summer, this movie is your ticket.

[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"] I don't know if I would go so far as to call him evil. Perhaps he did take advantage of Snape, but he did what he did "for the greater good". LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"] I don't know if I would go so far as to call him evil. Perhaps he did take advantage of Snape, but he did what he did "for the greater good". achilles614

[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"] I don't know if I would go so far as to call him evil. Perhaps he did take advantage of Snape, but he did what he did "for the greater good". LJS9502_basic

He did end up expressing regret and remorse, calling his actions foolish and weak, though.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"] I don't know if I would go so far as to call him evil. Perhaps he did take advantage of Snape, but he did what he did "for the greater good". Theokhoth

He did end up expressing regret and remorse, calling his actions foolish and weak, though.

Pretty good movie

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"] I don't know if I would go so far as to call him evil. Perhaps he did take advantage of Snape, but he did what he did "for the greater good". Theokhoth

He did end up expressing regret and remorse, calling his actions foolish and weak, though.

I loved the book but hated the movie.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah the greater good more commonly known as justification to do whatever one's want's without worrying about collateral damage.

LJS9502_basic

He did end up expressing regret and remorse, calling his actions foolish and weak, though.

Yes, and he regretted it. He even acknowledges Harry to be more moral and selfless than he ever was. That's what separated him from Voldemort in the end; while one felt remorse for his actions, the other was just a blubbering fool.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah the greater good more commonly known as justification to do whatever one's want's without worrying about collateral damage.

LJS9502_basic

He did end up expressing regret and remorse, calling his actions foolish and weak, though.

Yes, and he regretted it. He even acknowledges Harry to be more moral and selfless than he ever was. That's what separated him from Voldemort in the end; while one felt remorse for his actions, the other was just a blubbering fool.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Yes, and he regretted it. He even acknowledges Harry to be more moral and selfless than he ever was. That's what separated him from Voldemort in the end; while one felt remorse for his actions, the other was just a blubbering fool.

LJS9502_basic

Dumbledore stated that he hadn't intended for Snape to die. Snape died because Voldemort found out about and mistakenly believed that Snape was the master of the Elder Wand. As for being thrown into Azkaban, Snape's own memories would have saved him--take a dip in the Pensieve, find that Dumbledore asked it to happen, and so on, ta-da. There's also the portrait of Dumbledore, Harry's testament, etc. He got his own portrait in the headmasters' room after the series ended, so I think he ended up being cleared posthumously anyway.

He talks about how he regrets it at the end. He explicitly talks about his shortcomings, praising Harry for being morally superior, saying what he planned, what he never intended and what mistakes he made in his lifetime. This is all explicitly laid out.

[QUOTE="D-RS"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I didn't hate all of the Harry Potter books... I enjoyed 1 and 3 and thought 4 was okay... I thought 2 was bad, 5 was bad, and 6 and 7 were terrible. As I've said before, I only finished them because they're very quick reads and I'm a completionist...

chessmaster1989

terrible writing... .

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Yes, and he regretted it. He even acknowledges Harry to be more moral and selfless than he ever was. That's what separated him from Voldemort in the end; while one felt remorse for his actions, the other was just a blubbering fool.

Theokhoth

Dumbledore stated that he hadn't intended for Snape to die. Snape died because Voldemort found out about and mistakenly believed that Snape was the master of the Elder Wand. As for being thrown into Azkaban, Snape's own memories would have saved him--take a dip in the Pensieve, find that Dumbledore asked it to happen, and so on, ta-da. There's also the portrait of Dumbledore, Harry's testament, etc. He got his own portrait in the headmasters' room after the series ended, so I think he ended up being cleared posthumously anyway.

He talks about how he regrets it at the end. He explicitly talks about his shortcomings, praising Harry for being morally superior, saying what he planned, what he never intended and what mistakes he made in his lifetime. This is all explicitly laid out.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="D-RS"] why did you think there were terrible ?cyberdarkkid

terrible writing... .

Because poor writing can affect the quality of athe story.

[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

terrible writing... .

Because poor writing can affect the quality of athe story.

[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

terrible writing... .

Theokhoth

Because poor writing can affect the quality of athe story.

[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

terrible writing... .

Theokhoth

Because poor writing can affect the quality of athe story.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"] I never understood why people can't just enjoy the story they're reading without ctiriticizing whether the author knows how to write or not.enterawesome

Because poor writing can affect the quality of athe story.

I did not see it. :|

Exactly I don't see why the author has to be overdescriptive in order to satisfy some people.cyberdarkkid

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]How did he regret anything in the end? He had Snape kill him in the end. If Snape had not be killed and given his memories to Harry to see that he was on the side of good...Snape would have ended up in Azkhaban. And ultimately either way Snape was sacrificied as though he had no value.

LJS9502_basic

Dumbledore stated that he hadn't intended for Snape to die. Snape died because Voldemort found out about and mistakenly believed that Snape was the master of the Elder Wand. As for being thrown into Azkaban, Snape's own memories would have saved him--take a dip in the Pensieve, find that Dumbledore asked it to happen, and so on, ta-da. There's also the portrait of Dumbledore, Harry's testament, etc. He got his own portrait in the headmasters' room after the series ended, so I think he ended up being cleared posthumously anyway.

He talks about how he regrets it at the end. He explicitly talks about his shortcomings, praising Harry for being morally superior, saying what he planned, what he never intended and what mistakes he made in his lifetime. This is all explicitly laid out.

Dumbledore knew about the Elder Wand, but where he made the mistake was where he expected Voldemort to believe that by taking the wand from his corpse it would be his (though he was kinda right until Voldemort wizened up). Dumbledore obviously made a mistake or two along the way--he acknowledged them himself--but I don't think he was malevolent in his plans or intentions. Just mistaken.

Well, again, there's Harry's testimony (after becoming the most celebrated person in the world, his defense of Snape would be significantly more credible) as well as the testimony of Dumbledore's own portrait. And like the story says, Snape got a portrait in the hogwarts headmasters' office, which suggests that he was cleared of any accused crimes posthumously.

[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]Exactly I don't see why the author has to be overdescriptive in order to satisfy some people.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]Exactly I don't see why the author has to be overdescriptive in order to satisfy some people.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]How did he regret anything in the end? He had Snape kill him in the end. If Snape had not be killed and given his memories to Harry to see that he was on the side of good...Snape would have ended up in Azkhaban. And ultimately either way Snape was sacrificied as though he had no value.

LJS9502_basic

Dumbledore stated that he hadn't intended for Snape to die. Snape died because Voldemort found out about and mistakenly believed that Snape was the master of the Elder Wand. As for being thrown into Azkaban, Snape's own memories would have saved him--take a dip in the Pensieve, find that Dumbledore asked it to happen, and so on, ta-da. There's also the portrait of Dumbledore, Harry's testament, etc. He got his own portrait in the headmasters' room after the series ended, so I think he ended up being cleared posthumously anyway.

He talks about how he regrets it at the end. He explicitly talks about his shortcomings, praising Harry for being morally superior, saying what he planned, what he never intended and what mistakes he made in his lifetime. This is all explicitly laid out.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"] I never understood why people can't just enjoy the story they're reading without ctiriticizing whether the author knows how to write or not.cyberdarkkid

Because poor writing can affect the quality of athe story.

I, too, read and enjoyed the series, but as I said before, Rowling uses way, way, way too many adverbs and invokes Deus ex Machina in almost every book. She also uses too many unnecessary side quests (though I blame her editor more than her; stuff like that should have been cut out) that either have no point or only serve to introduce the next Deus Ex Machina (the S.P.E.W. stuff from book 3 onward? It all could have been cut out and the plot would not have been affected).

I liked the story and everything, but to say Rowling's writing is undeserving of criticism is going way overboard with the fandom.

Dumbledore knew about the Elder Wand, but where he made the mistake was where he expected Voldemort to believe that by taking the wand from his corpse it would be his (though he was kinda right until Voldemort wizened up). Dumbledore obviously made a mistake or two along the way--he acknowledged them himself--but I don't think he was malevolent in his plans or intentions. Just mistaken.

Well, again, there's Harry's testimony (after becoming the most celebrated person in the world, his defense of Snape would be significantly more credible) as well as the testimony of Dumbledore's own portrait. And like the story says, Snape got a portrait in the hogwarts headmasters' office, which suggests that he was cleared of any accused crimes posthumously.

Theokhoth

You again missed the point. I said if Snape had lived. Harry would NOT have had the memories as Snape wouldn't have given those to him. So Harry has nothing to go on other than he hated Snape and Snape killed Dumbledore.

I don't think memories can be used for trials since that would have cleared Sirius. Though the portrait of Dumbledore would have probably been able to clear him. Anyway I believe Dumbledore said it was his intention for Snape to inherit the Elder Wand, but I don't think he realized that Voldemort was seeking it or that he knew Dumbledore had possessed it. Commander-Gree

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Dumbledore knew about the Elder Wand, but where he made the mistake was where he expected Voldemort to believe that by taking the wand from his corpse it would be his (though he was kinda right until Voldemort wizened up). Dumbledore obviously made a mistake or two along the way--he acknowledged them himself--but I don't think he was malevolent in his plans or intentions. Just mistaken.

Well, again, there's Harry's testimony (after becoming the most celebrated person in the world, his defense of Snape would be significantly more credible) as well as the testimony of Dumbledore's own portrait. And like the story says, Snape got a portrait in the hogwarts headmasters' office, which suggests that he was cleared of any accused crimes posthumously.

LJS9502_basic

You again missed the point. I said if Snape had lived. Harry would NOT have had the memories as Snape wouldn't have given those to him. So Harry has nothing to go on other than he hated Snape and Snape killed Dumbledore.

That's what I just said, except I think Dumbledore's mistake was thinking of Voldemort's reaction.

Snape was instructed by Dumbledore to explain to Harry the truth if Voldemort began protecting his snake; which was what Snape attempted to do but failed. Harry still would have gotten the memory (that or Snape's word, but trust issues at that point would probably have necessitated the memory).

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Dumbledore knew about the Elder Wand, but where he made the mistake was where he expected Voldemort to believe that by taking the wand from his corpse it would be his (though he was kinda right until Voldemort wizened up). Dumbledore obviously made a mistake or two along the way--he acknowledged them himself--but I don't think he was malevolent in his plans or intentions. Just mistaken.

Well, again, there's Harry's testimony (after becoming the most celebrated person in the world, his defense of Snape would be significantly more credible) as well as the testimony of Dumbledore's own portrait. And like the story says, Snape got a portrait in the hogwarts headmasters' office, which suggests that he was cleared of any accused crimes posthumously.

LJS9502_basic

You again missed the point. I said if Snape had lived. Harry would NOT have had the memories as Snape wouldn't have given those to him. So Harry has nothing to go on other than he hated Snape and Snape killed Dumbledore.

That's what I just said, except I think Dumbledore's mistake was thinking of Voldemort's reaction.

Snape was instructed by Dumbledore to explain to Harry the truth if Voldemort began protecting his snake; which was what Snape attempted to do but failed. Harry still would have gotten the memory (that or Snape's word, but trust issues at that point would probably have necessitated the memory).

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"]I don't think memories can be used for trials since that would have cleared Sirius. Though the portrait of Dumbledore would have probably been able to clear him. Anyway I believe Dumbledore said it was his intention for Snape to inherit the Elder Wand, but I don't think he realized that Voldemort was seeking it or that he knew Dumbledore had possessed it. LJS9502_basic

Portraits don't work that way? Well, they could talk, they could obviously remember their previous lives, why wouldn't they work that way? The portraits don't serve anybody, with the exception of Phineas, who was the only one (that we know of) that could travel to and from another portrait.

And then there'd still be Harry's testimony. If the guy that killed Voldemort told whatever headmaster who was in charge that Snape was crucial in doing so, then I think that would be enough (though again, Harry could use the Pensieve or Dumbledore-portrait's testimony).

And again, Snape gets a portrait in the headmaster's office; he was apparently cleared of his crimes posthumously, meaning he could very well have been cleared if he had survived.

[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"]I don't think memories can be used for trials since that would have cleared Sirius. Though the portrait of Dumbledore would have probably been able to clear him. Anyway I believe Dumbledore said it was his intention for Snape to inherit the Elder Wand, but I don't think he realized that Voldemort was seeking it or that he knew Dumbledore had possessed it. LJS9502_basic

I don't think Dumbledore had given the Elder Wand much thought. As far as we know Voldermort had not been searching for, or even knew of the existence, of the Elder Wand until after Dumbledore had died. Remember as a kid he lived in the Muggle world so he wouldn't have heard the tale of the Deathly Hallows. Even after Voldemort started searching for it he didn't trace it back to Dumbledore for some time. Commander-Gree

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

That's what I just said, except I think Dumbledore's mistake was thinking of Voldemort's reaction.

Snape was instructed by Dumbledore to explain to Harry the truth if Voldemort began protecting his snake; which was what Snape attempted to do but failed. Harry still would have gotten the memory (that or Snape's word, but trust issues at that point would probably have necessitated the memory).

LJS9502_basic

Teachers weren't attacking when Harry got to where Snape was, and Snape was begging Voldemort to let him bring him Harry (which, as we later learn, was his excuse for trying to get to Harry to tell him the truth).

I know Harry wouldn't believe Snape; that's why Snape could still give him the memory.

You can use the testimonies of other, credible wizards to get out of Azkaban (as demonstrated by Dumbledore's defense of Harry in book 5), and Harry could've (and probably did, according to the events of the epilogue) offered his own, being of age and the defeater of Voldemort.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"]I don't think memories can be used for trials since that would have cleared Sirius. Though the portrait of Dumbledore would have probably been able to clear him. Anyway I believe Dumbledore said it was his intention for Snape to inherit the Elder Wand, but I don't think he realized that Voldemort was seeking it or that he knew Dumbledore had possessed it. Theokhoth

Portraits don't work that way? Well, they could talk, they could obviously remember their previous lives, why wouldn't they work that way? The portraits don't serve anybody, with the exception of Phineas, who was the only one (that we know of) that could travel to and from another portrait.

And then there'd still be Harry's testimony. If the guy that killed Voldemort told whatever headmaster who was in charge that Snape was crucial in doing so, then I think that would be enough (though again, Harry could use the Pensieve or Dumbledore-portrait's testimony).

And again, Snape gets a portrait in the headmaster's office; he was apparently cleared of his crimes posthumously, meaning he could very well have been cleared if he had survived.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

That's what I just said, except I think Dumbledore's mistake was thinking of Voldemort's reaction.

Snape was instructed by Dumbledore to explain to Harry the truth if Voldemort began protecting his snake; which was what Snape attempted to do but failed. Harry still would have gotten the memory (that or Snape's word, but trust issues at that point would probably have necessitated the memory).

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"]I don't think memories can be used for trials since that would have cleared Sirius. Though the portrait of Dumbledore would have probably been able to clear him. Anyway I believe Dumbledore said it was his intention for Snape to inherit the Elder Wand, but I don't think he realized that Voldemort was seeking it or that he knew Dumbledore had possessed it. Commander-Gree

Or Harry could've told her. Lord knows she trusted him just as much as Dumbledore by the end of the series.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

That's what I just said, except I think Dumbledore's mistake was thinking of Voldemort's reaction.

Snape was instructed by Dumbledore to explain to Harry the truth if Voldemort began protecting his snake; which was what Snape attempted to do but failed. Harry still would have gotten the memory (that or Snape's word, but trust issues at that point would probably have necessitated the memory).

Theokhoth

Teachers weren't attacking when Harry got to where Snape was, and Snape was begging Voldemort to let him bring him Harry (which, as we later learn, was his excuse for trying to get to Harry to tell him the truth).

I know Harry wouldn't believe Snape; that's why Snape could still give him the memory.

You can use the testimonies of other, credible wizards to get out of Azkaban (as demonstrated by Dumbledore's defense of Harry in book 5), and Harry could've (and probably did, according to the events of the epilogue) offered his own, being of age and the defeater of Voldemort.

Who are these wizards that would know Snape was doing what Dumbledore wanted? The only one that knew was dead and can't be called to testify.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

That's what I just said, except I think Dumbledore's mistake was thinking of Voldemort's reaction.

Snape was instructed by Dumbledore to explain to Harry the truth if Voldemort began protecting his snake; which was what Snape attempted to do but failed. Harry still would have gotten the memory (that or Snape's word, but trust issues at that point would probably have necessitated the memory).

Commander-Gree

This is also true; Snape could've proven himself with his silver doe patronus.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That was my point in response to Theo assuming Snape could do that. I don't think the portraits work that way. And they only serve the headmaster at Hogwarts to start with. Which new headmaster do you see trying to clear Snape? The entirity of the teachers hated him for killing Dumbledore.

LJS9502_basic

Portraits don't work that way? Well, they could talk, they could obviously remember their previous lives, why wouldn't they work that way? The portraits don't serve anybody, with the exception of Phineas, who was the only one (that we know of) that could travel to and from another portrait.

And then there'd still be Harry's testimony. If the guy that killed Voldemort told whatever headmaster who was in charge that Snape was crucial in doing so, then I think that would be enough (though again, Harry could use the Pensieve or Dumbledore-portrait's testimony).

And again, Snape gets a portrait in the headmaster's office; he was apparently cleared of his crimes posthumously, meaning he could very well have been cleared if he had survived.

I don't know if it does or not, but it doesn't matter; the current headmaster was McGonnagall, who was a fanatical follower of Dumbledore anyway; Dumbledore obviously did not need permission to speak from his portrait.