Disney buys Marvel, (my god.)

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#51 Buck_Hotep
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I actually think that Disney should check out the titles not included in Marvel-616, Marvel ultimates and such. Marvel bought the rights to all Ultraverse Comics characters and one title I think would translate well into film is Prime.

xaos

Actually, the new Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers ongoing is something that I would LOVE to see Pixar take a swing at; that could be truly spectacular and seems like a solid fit for their aesthetic.

Ok, now that you've gone and done it and mentioned Pixar (the whiners and criers prolly will ignore the Pixar angle) I say it's time for them to make their first mature-themed CGI animated film: Marvel Zombies. I can dream but this deal has moved my dream several steps into becoming reality.

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#52 PlasmaBeam44
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If this means Spider-Man is going to show up in the next Kingdom Hearts then I'm all for that.

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#53 Sajedene
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Since apparently this information is not worth a new thread... here... let it get lost in the crowd of posts that do not read past the first post.

My source is Variety (I have a hard copy so search for the online versions yourself, big boys) dated today: September 1, 2009

* Acquisition price: $4 Billion

* Disney gain: the access to Marvel's over 5000 characters to potentially make into movies, TV shows, videogames, internet projects, theme park attractions, toys, etc etc etc

* Marvel gain: marketing and distribution muscle to turn its characters into bigger brands, especially overseas, where it has been focusing its efforts lately

* Disney has been pursuing Marvel for years as it has been identifying properties that target the young male audience.

* Disney is ADAMANT that it DOES NOT plan to "rebrand Marvel as Disney," and Marvel CEO Isaac Perlmutter will continue to oversea the company

* SONY will continue to control Spider-Man through a deal that does not lapse

* Paramount will continue to distribute Marvel's next 5 movies, starting with Iron Man 2 and a third installment

* Fox retains the rights to Daredevil; the Fantastic Four (reboot in the works!) and Silver Surfer, the X-Men and spin offs for as long as they have films based on those characters in ACTIVE production

* Universal Studios Theme Parks will retain rights to rides and characters already in existence in their parks through a pre-existing contract. The big name character up for grabs for Disney is Iron Man.

* Videogame licenses for Marvel games will not expire until 2011 and 2017 with Activision Blizzard, Sega, and THQ holding licenses.

* Marvel CEO Perlmutter is expected to collect $881 M and 21 M shares of Disney stock, worth $587 M through the deal.

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#54 irockandroll
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oh no. theyll either do somthing awful with it or just make money off of what it already has. think about it this could be a good thing. another channel showing xmen cartoons. as long as they dont create anything themselves it will be fine. (i hope)

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#55 FallenAngel-
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Yeah, I couldn't believe it when I heard it either.
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#56 Second_Rook
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

Since apparently this information is not worth a new thread... here... let it get lost in the crowd of posts that do not read past the first post.

My source is Variety (I have a hard copy so search for the online versions yourself, big boys) dated today: September 1, 2009

* Acquisition price: $4 Billion

* Disney gain: the access to Marvel's over 5000 characters to potentially make into movies, TV shows, videogames, internet projects, theme park attractions, toys, etc etc etc

* Marvel gain: marketing and distribution muscle to turn its characters into bigger brands, especially overseas, where it has been focusing its efforts lately

* Disney has been pursuing Marvel for years as it has been identifying properties that target the young male audience.

* Disney is ADAMANT that it DOES NOT plan to "rebrand Marvel as Disney," and Marvel CEO Isaac Perlmutter will continue to oversea the company

* SONY will continue to control Spider-Man through a deal that does not lapse

* Paramount will continue to distribute Marvel's next 5 movies, starting with Iron Man 2 and a third installment

* Fox retains the rights to Daredevil; the Fantastic Four (reboot in the works!) and Silver Surfer, the X-Men and spin offs for as long as they have films based on those characters in ACTIVE production

* Universal Studios Theme Parks will retain rights to rides and characters already in existence in their parks through a pre-existing contract. The big name character up for grabs for Disney is Iron Man.

* Videogame licenses for Marvel games will not expire until 2011 and 2017 with Activision Blizzard, Sega, and THQ holding licenses.

* Marvel CEO Perlmutter is expected to collect $881 M and 21 M shares of Disney stock, worth $587 M through the deal.

I read all that if it helps. I do not believe that Disney has intentions to rebrand Marvel as Disney either. What bothers me is another bit of information in your post that they are looking for a property that targets young males. True enough I began enjoying comics as a young male but I trruly began to appreciate them and their history with a few more years behind me. I would prefer that Disney not dumb anything down in order to draw more of the teenage dollar. That is the main area of concern for myself. I am not a "brand-hater" or one who considers Disney an "evil empire." It's just that nearly half of the American comic industry is their's to do with as they please, what's to happen after Stan Lee passes? What if they should choose to place their own editor-in-chief from an outside industry? Certainly I hope for the best, but Disney has proven time and again that nothing will stand between them and profit including standards of quality.
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#57 Setsa
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Oh boy.... While Disney was good back in the day, I honestly do not see this working out well, especially after seeing that Wolvverine in anime teaser. I guess Marvel's gonna be going in a different direction now : /
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Oh boy.... While Disney was good back in the day, I honestly do not see this working out well, especially after seeing that Wolvverine in anime teaser. I guess Marvel's gonna be going in a different direction now : /Setsa
You don't shell out four billion dollars to buy something, then go in and change it; you buy it because you see value in what it already has...
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#59 Setsa
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[QUOTE="Setsa"]Oh boy.... While Disney was good back in the day, I honestly do not see this working out well, especially after seeing that Wolvverine in anime teaser. I guess Marvel's gonna be going in a different direction now : /xaos
You don't shell out four billion dollars to buy something, then go in and change it; you buy it because you see value in what it already has...

They can always change the appeal to cater to another market ;) Why not tweak a few aspects and broaden the audience at the cost of a few fundamentalist fans?
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Setsa"]Oh boy.... While Disney was good back in the day, I honestly do not see this working out well, especially after seeing that Wolvverine in anime teaser. I guess Marvel's gonna be going in a different direction now : /Setsa
You don't shell out four billion dollars to buy something, then go in and change it; you buy it because you see value in what it already has...

They can always change the appeal to cater to another market ;) Why not tweak a few aspects and broaden the audience at the cost of a few fundamentalist fans?

Why assume that they know comics when they've just bought a company that has been very successfully doing them for decades? Disney over the last few years has done a number of acquisitions and has been quite hands-off when dealing with successful properties. ABC TV hasn't ditched crime dramas, after all
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#61 Setsa
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="xaos"] You don't shell out four billion dollars to buy something, then go in and change it; you buy it because you see value in what it already has...

They can always change the appeal to cater to another market ;) Why not tweak a few aspects and broaden the audience at the cost of a few fundamentalist fans?

Why assume that they know comics when they've just bought a company that has been very successfully doing them for decades? Disney over the last few years has done a number of acquisitions and has been quite hands-off when dealing with successful properties. ABC TV hasn't ditched crime dramas, after all

True, albeit Disney is a company that controls a large portion of children's programming now-a-days, and it could potentially be more profitable for them to bastardize classic superheroes and attempt to make comics appeal to a more general audience. If they can manage to cater to new youth as well as chronic fans, then bravo for them. I just don't like the idea of childhood icons being changed is all.
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[QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Setsa"] They can always change the appeal to cater to another market ;) Why not tweak a few aspects and broaden the audience at the cost of a few fundamentalist fans?

Why assume that they know comics when they've just bought a company that has been very successfully doing them for decades? Disney over the last few years has done a number of acquisitions and has been quite hands-off when dealing with successful properties. ABC TV hasn't ditched crime dramas, after all

True, albeit Disney is a company that controls a large portion of children's programming now-a-days, and it could potentially be more profitable for them to bastardize classic superheroes and attempt to make comics appeal to a more general audience. If they can manage to cater to new youth as well as chronic fans, then bravo for them. I just don't like the idea of childhood icons being changed is all.

But why would you expect them to? I keep repeating that it would be inconsistent from a business standpoint for them to do so. Hell, for years, one of their channels has been airing loads of Marvel cartoons, from the newest X-Men cartoon and the 90's one, to the mercifully short-lived 90's Avengers, Hulk, and Fantastic Four and even have dipped their toes into the antediluvian 60's Fantastic Four and Thor cartoons. Seems to me that they already know this is a goose that can lay golden eggs for them :)
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#63 Setsa
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="xaos"] Why assume that they know comics when they've just bought a company that has been very successfully doing them for decades? Disney over the last few years has done a number of acquisitions and has been quite hands-off when dealing with successful properties. ABC TV hasn't ditched crime dramas, after all

True, albeit Disney is a company that controls a large portion of children's programming now-a-days, and it could potentially be more profitable for them to bastardize classic superheroes and attempt to make comics appeal to a more general audience. If they can manage to cater to new youth as well as chronic fans, then bravo for them. I just don't like the idea of childhood icons being changed is all.

But why would you expect them to? I keep repeating that it would be inconsistent from a business standpoint for them to do so. Hell, for years, one of their channels has been airing loads of Marvel cartoons, from the newest X-Men cartoon and the 90's one, to the mercifully short-lived 90's Avengers, Hulk, and Fantastic Four and even have dipped their toes into the antediluvian 60's Fantastic Four and Thor cartoons. Seems to me that they already know this is a goose that can lay golden eggs for them :)

Bad hunch I suppose lol. With the annexing of Marvel into Disney, the bond is much greater between the two than simply synergizing in the market, and that's kind of intimidating with Disney's dominance of youth pop-culture.
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I think people are still looking at Disney through 1960's eyes when they were primarily a family-friendly entertainment company. While they still advertise themselves as a Mickey Mouse-club type corporation to appeal to the family set they've done more to promote mature entertainment in the last 25 years than most other studios.

Also, just to clarify things....Stan Lee hasn't been head of Marvel for decades. His role at Marvel is similar to a figurehead. He has no power over editorial decisions on what titles live or die. He hasn't made those decisions since the early 80's and even then he was mostly relegated to being chief creative director. So, if Stan Lee suddenly passes away tomorrow (hopefully not but he's getting up there in years) it won't affect Marvel in any way other than the company doing something special like Stan Lee Month where all writers and artists will do a commemorative issue to honor the man.

As to the comic book publishing side of the business it's been years since that's been Marvel's bread-and-butter. Marvel's main source of income for the last 6-7 years have been money from the films made from its properties. While it was less in the early going in the last couple years it's been a lot since a larger percentage of profits made from Marvel films were sent their way. Disney will probably look at the comic book side of the business as ancillary to what they actually want and that's the film, tv and multimedia possibilites to come out of those comic books.

If any, people like John Lasseter of Pixar and Steve Jobs of Apple, who have a major influence on how the Disney board decides on things, are huge Marvel fans so they'd probably make sure things remain hands-off when it comes to dealing with the company.

So, while there's some concerns to be had whenever a large merger acquisition such as this occurs. In the end, there's more to like about the deal especially when it comes to the long-term health of Marvel. Now the only way Marvel will die is if Disney dies.

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Marvel is the Ned Flanders of comics anyway.

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#66 Buck_Hotep
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Marvel is the Ned Flanders of comics anyway.

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Huh-what?

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#67 Hellrazor9mm
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Anybody know what's gonna happen to Islands of Adventure down here in Florida!!!????

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#68 Buck_Hotep
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Anybody know what's gonna happen to Islands of Adventure down here in Florida!!!????

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Nothing will change about it, so far as anyone knows. But Universal has a contingency plan that may change it to Harry Potter instead of Marvel.

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[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Murj"]

What would cause you to doubt this acquisition? Large_Soda

Spiderman and the Seven Dwarves in 3-D. It's gonna happen.

That sounds a lot better than some things I've been thinking of (Joe Jonas as Captain America).

OH GOD IF ANY OF THE JONAS BROTHERS ARE ANY SUPERHERO I WOULD OFFICIALLY JAM A PENCIL IN MY THROAT NO EVEN KIDDING!!
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Marvel is the Ned Flanders of comics anyway.

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Meaningless analogy is meaningless
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#71 Buck_Hotep
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[QUOTE="BRi4NB"]

Marvel is the Ned Flanders of comics anyway.

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Meaningless analogy is meaningless

Which would you rather see turned into a TV series by Disney: Criminal, Alias, or Powers?

All three could be Disney's way to compete with AMC's Mad Men and Breaking Bad. Not to mention the stable of very good mature dramas on FX.

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="BRi4NB"]

Marvel is the Ned Flanders of comics anyway.

Buck_Hotep

Meaningless analogy is meaningless

Which would you rather see turned into a TV series by Disney: Criminal, Alias, or Powers?

All three could be Disney's way to compete with AMC's Mad Men and Breaking Bad. Not to mention the stable of very good mature dramas on FX.

Disney has already had a TV series called Alias ;)
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#73 Buck_Hotep
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[QUOTE="Buck_Hotep"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] Meaningless analogy is meaninglessxaos

Which would you rather see turned into a TV series by Disney: Criminal, Alias, or Powers?

All three could be Disney's way to compete with AMC's Mad Men and Breaking Bad. Not to mention the stable of very good mature dramas on FX.

Disney has already had a TV series called Alias ;)

Well, I rather prefer the MAX line version. :P

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I was loling like hell when I first read the title.

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Buck_Hotep"]

Which would you rather see turned into a TV series by Disney: Criminal, Alias, or Powers?

All three could be Disney's way to compete with AMC's Mad Men and Breaking Bad. Not to mention the stable of very good mature dramas on FX.

Buck_Hotep

Disney has already had a TV series called Alias ;)

Well, I rather prefer the MAX line version. :P

Well, maybe they can get Jen Garner to play Jessica Jones, too
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#76 BRi4NB
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I didn't think about any movies.

I meant that Marvel Comics are a good match for Disney. They are far more kid friendly than other publishers.

Marvel Zombies was good though. Written by the same guy that does Walking Dead for Image. Guess which is better.