Disproving the Bible.

It's easy. Seriously, don't you think if the people who wrote the Bible wanted to keep people in the faith, they'd make it make a little more sense?

First of all, if Adam and Eve only had two sons, then how did humanity continue after that? Wouldn't that make us all inbred? And another thing about Adam and Eve: Where did all the different races come from? White, black, asian, hispanic, where did they all come from if it all started with only two people? And don't say that God created different ethnicities of Adams and Eves for other parts of the world because it doesn't make sense. The oldest civilizations are around the middle east, which is where it is believed humanity began (According to the Bible), and as you expand from there, the civilizations get newer and newer. So that theory can't be true.

One more thing: If God flooded the entire world, killing everyone, and Noah only escaped with some family members, then wouldn't that also mean that we're all inbred? The multiple race thing applies here too. Where did all the races in the world come from if only one family survived?

I don't mean to offend anyone, but how can anyone actually beleive this? I was raised as a Catholic, but now that I've been able to analyze the whole faith on my own time, it just seems very disjointed to me.

/rant

Discuss.

You just don't understand the bible. Many people who find contradictions,errors,ect. are just people who skim through the bible without thinking about what they read, and sometimes they don't finish what they're reading. If you read the entire bible slowly and actually study the things you read in it, it'll make sense to you.

I agree some things in the bible are hard to belive, hard to understand, and sometimes cruel. But maybe God really is that way. He makes people write his bookwith a bunch of metaphors, illustrations, and stories of murder,rape,ect.

I've never read the bible, but I really only see it as a bunch of stories that people use to teach values and morals. You'd have to be utterly crazy to believe every word the bible says and to take it all literally.slinky6

I've never read the bible, but I really only see it as a bunch of stories that people use to teach values and morals. You'd have to be utterly crazy to believe every word the bible says and to take it all literally.slinky6

Agreed. A lot of it is metaphors/moral-of-the-story type stuff. I think some of it is real, but all of it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE="slinky6"]I've never read the bible, but I really only see it as a bunch of stories that people use to teach values and morals. You'd have to be utterly crazy to believe every word the bible says and to take it all literally.CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="slinky6"]I've never read the bible, but I really only see it as a bunch of stories that people use to teach values and morals. You'd have to be utterly crazy to believe every word the bible says and to take it all literally.slinky6

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="slinky6"]I've never read the bible, but I really only see it as a bunch of stories that people use to teach values and morals. You'd have to be utterly crazy to believe every word the bible says and to take it all literally.CptJSparrow

I don't think the Bible is supposed to be taken literally, for example, world created in so many 'days' could be any given period of time. Earth days, God days, Happy Days, etc.YourOldFriend

The bible is full of things that would be considered immoral today...so these people get their morality elsewhere, or feign morality.CptJSparrow

True, but in the bible's defense, it usually tells stories of people doing these immoral things, and then it tells of how they were punished and what things happened to them. So in other words, the bible is telling you not to do these things, then it gives examples on what could happen to you if you do. Can't say the same for all the war stories in the bible though.

To the point of being inbred with Adam and Eve:

It says in Genesis that God created man in his own image. Thusly, if God is perfect, the genes of the first two humans must be pretty perfect too right? So inbreeding between the family had less of a "retarding effect."

Though I have no link to prove, the evolution of races doesnt take millions of years.

As for Noah, his sons brought their wives who were not in their immidiate blood line.

Mankind tries too hard to understand the ways of God. Things we think as impossible as walking on water is very possible for him.

To all the people who say it's just a bumch of stories:

If so, then why is there such a big fuss about them? How do regular old stories in a book suddenly divide a world into sections of people groups? Wouldn't it seem they're more than just your average stories for them to have that kind of power? Call me crazy but I don't think children's book stories get people as wound up as the Bible has and does.

I think people should cut the crap...

It really depends on your approach to the bible. Some see it as literal and others as a collection of parables. I am pesronally an orthodox christian. I'm also not a literalist. Yes, there are a slew of "technical" issues, but that is not the heart of the matter. Its easy to point out this and that and feel all clever. The issues you have addressed are nothing new, people have been condemning the bible for these things for as long as it was hip. The bible is not a history book, its a story of a faith. I seriously hope you don't consider yourself more clever than millenia of Jews and Christians. The bible is written as the word of god, but it is documented by humans who, as part of the gift of free will, are fallible. Take for example the tired old, creation vs. evolution debate. Simple minded evlolutionists (I personally am a strong believer in evolution and can easily reconcile it with my faith) like to say that creation is crap because 7 days aren't enough time. The first "seven days" may have taken millions of years and gods creation of evolution may have been the means to the end. A system created to hum and give life to itself. As for the single figure you discuss, is it not possible that these are compacted social groups? The lessons of the bible are not that cut an dry, its important to learn from it in your own way. I know this all sounds very preachy, if you can't connect with the book, then another faith may be more inline for you (and yes atheism is just another faith, the faith you know there is no higher order). I just want to defend the bible from a personal level. All too often people use bible bashing as a spring board to feal hip and clever. That approach is just as predjudice and bigoted as the misguided religious right. I find it interesting that all religion are supposed to be respected, but christianity in modern "cool" counterculture. Frankly thats just a sad double standard.Lethal_Gopher

I disagree, if you take some of the bible as literal, and some as symbolic, how do you tell the difference between the two?

As for the 7 days, in the original greek, the word "days" used in Genesis means literal days, not figurative.

To the point of being inbred with Adam and Eve:

It says in Genesis that God created man in his own image. Thusly, if God is perfect, the genes of the first two humans must be pretty perfect too right? So inbreeding between the family had less of a "retarding effect."

Though I have no link to prove, the evolution of races doesnt take millions of years.

As for Noah, his sons brought their wives who were not in their immidiate blood line.

Mankind tries too hard to understand the ways of God. Things we think as impossible as walking on water is very possible for him.

SalaZar-

QFT

Imo, some things are not meant to be comprehended. Can God make a rock so big even he can't move it? The answer is yes, but he could also move the rock. That seems contradictory, but I'd buy it.

To all the people who say it's just a bumch of stories:

If so, then why is there such a big fuss about them? How do regular old stories in a book suddenly divide a world into sections of people groups? Wouldn't it seem they're more than just your average stories for them to have that kind of power? Call me crazy but I don't think children's book stories get people as wound up as the Bible has and does.

I think people should cut the crap...

Kalel559

[QUOTE="Lethal_Gopher"]It really depends on your approach to the bible. Some see it as literal and others as a collection of parables. I am pesronally an orthodox christian. I'm also not a literalist. Yes, there are a slew of "technical" issues, but that is not the heart of the matter. Its easy to point out this and that and feel all clever. The issues you have addressed are nothing new, people have been condemning the bible for these things for as long as it was hip. The bible is not a history book, its a story of a faith. I seriously hope you don't consider yourself more clever than millenia of Jews and Christians. The bible is written as the word of god, but it is documented by humans who, as part of the gift of free will, are fallible. Take for example the tired old, creation vs. evolution debate. Simple minded evlolutionists (I personally am a strong believer in evolution and can easily reconcile it with my faith) like to say that creation is crap because 7 days aren't enough time. The first "seven days" may have taken millions of years and gods creation of evolution may have been the means to the end. A system created to hum and give life to itself. As for the single figure you discuss, is it not possible that these are compacted social groups? The lessons of the bible are not that cut an dry, its important to learn from it in your own way. I know this all sounds very preachy, if you can't connect with the book, then another faith may be more inline for you (and yes atheism is just another faith, the faith you know there is no higher order). I just want to defend the bible from a personal level. All too often people use bible bashing as a spring board to feal hip and clever. That approach is just as predjudice and bigoted as the misguided religious right. I find it interesting that all religion are supposed to be respected, but christianity in modern "cool" counterculture. Frankly thats just a sad double standard.SalaZar-

I disagree, if you take some of the bible as literal, and some as symbolic, how do you tell the difference between the two?

As for the 7 days, in the original greek, the word "days" used in Genesis means literal days, not figurative.

[QUOTE="Lethal_Gopher"]It really depends on your approach to the bible. Some see it as literal and others as a collection of parables. I am pesronally an orthodox christian. I'm also not a literalist. Yes, there are a slew of "technical" issues, but that is not the heart of the matter. Its easy to point out this and that and feel all clever. The issues you have addressed are nothing new, people have been condemning the bible for these things for as long as it was hip. The bible is not a history book, its a story of a faith. I seriously hope you don't consider yourself more clever than millenia of Jews and Christians. The bible is written as the word of god, but it is documented by humans who, as part of the gift of free will, are fallible. Take for example the tired old, creation vs. evolution debate. Simple minded evlolutionists (I personally am a strong believer in evolution and can easily reconcile it with my faith) like to say that creation is crap because 7 days aren't enough time. The first "seven days" may have taken millions of years and gods creation of evolution may have been the means to the end. A system created to hum and give life to itself. As for the single figure you discuss, is it not possible that these are compacted social groups? The lessons of the bible are not that cut an dry, its important to learn from it in your own way. I know this all sounds very preachy, if you can't connect with the book, then another faith may be more inline for you (and yes atheism is just another faith, the faith you know there is no higher order). I just want to defend the bible from a personal level. All too often people use bible bashing as a spring board to feal hip and clever. That approach is just as predjudice and bigoted as the misguided religious right. I find it interesting that all religion are supposed to be respected, but christianity in modern "cool" counterculture. Frankly thats just a sad double standard.SalaZar-

I disagree, if you take some of the bible as literal, and some as symbolic, how do you tell the difference between the two?

As for the 7 days, in the original greek, the word "days" used in Genesis means literal days, not figurative.

okay i will now explain how there are different races and how we can be inbred. in teh bible, it says that as time went on people got disfigured, diseased, etc because of the flaws of the human race. basically, it said that disease and defects came into the human race. there the bible talked about that some. now about inbreeding. yes, at the beginning, they did have to do that to procreate but that was before humans were flawed. then adam and eve became flawed when they ate that fruit and so now we're all screwed because of them.

now about races. there is only one race... the human race. there are different looking people because certain cultural groups have adapted to their environment over the course of thousands of years. eye and haircolor because of sunlight intensity, nose shapes for optimal breathing in weather condition, skin color to match temperature and sunlight, etc.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] The bible is full of things that would be considered immoral today...so these people get their morality elsewhere, or feign morality.dog64

True, but in the bible's defense, it usually tells stories of people doing these immoral things, and then it tells of how they were punished and what things happened to them. So in other words, the bible is telling you not to do these things, then it gives examples on what could happen to you if you do. Can't say the same for all the war stories in the bible though.

[QUOTE="Lethal_Gopher"]It really depends on your approach to the bible. Some see it as literal and others as a collection of parables. I am pesronally an orthodox christian. I'm also not a literalist. Yes, there are a slew of "technical" issues, but that is not the heart of the matter. Its easy to point out this and that and feel all clever. The issues you have addressed are nothing new, people have been condemning the bible for these things for as long as it was hip. The bible is not a history book, its a story of a faith. I seriously hope you don't consider yourself more clever than millenia of Jews and Christians. The bible is written as the word of god, but it is documented by humans who, as part of the gift of free will, are fallible. Take for example the tired old, creation vs. evolution debate. Simple minded evlolutionists (I personally am a strong believer in evolution and can easily reconcile it with my faith) like to say that creation is crap because 7 days aren't enough time. The first "seven days" may have taken millions of years and gods creation of evolution may have been the means to the end. A system created to hum and give life to itself. As for the single figure you discuss, is it not possible that these are compacted social groups? The lessons of the bible are not that cut an dry, its important to learn from it in your own way. I know this all sounds very preachy, if you can't connect with the book, then another faith may be more inline for you (and yes atheism is just another faith, the faith you know there is no higher order). I just want to defend the bible from a personal level. All too often people use bible bashing as a spring board to feal hip and clever. That approach is just as predjudice and bigoted as the misguided religious right. I find it interesting that all religion are supposed to be respected, but christianity in modern "cool" counterculture. Frankly thats just a sad double standard.SalaZar-

I disagree, if you take some of the bible as literal, and some as symbolic, how do you tell the difference between the two?

As for the 7 days, in the original greek, the word "days" used in Genesis means literal days, not figurative.

Speaking of the whole seven days thing - has anyone heard the saying "For God, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day" or whatever? If there's any truth to that, then the process of Earth becoming habitable after it's creation could make some sense.

Too bad Genesis wasn't written in Greek... :|

Ah, true, but it was translated into Greek. And the Greek is more accurate than the English.

okay i will now explain how there are different races and how we can be inbred. in teh bible, it says that as time went on people got disfigured, diseased, etc because of the flaws of the human race. basically, it said that disease and defects came into the human race. there the bible talked about that some. now about inbreeding. yes, at the beginning, they did have to do that to procreate but that was before humans were flawed. then adam and eve became flawed when they ate that fruit and so now we're all screwed because of them.

now about races. there is only one race... the human race. there are different looking people because certain cultural groups have adapted to their environment over the course of thousands of years. eye and haircolor because of sunlight intensity, nose shapes for optimal breathing in weather condition, skin color to match temperature and sunlight, etc.

gamecode101

While I don't have a problem with the actual Bible and what it says, It pisses me off when people nowadays use passages to "prove" their hate filled messages whether it be "Oh it says that slavery is right in the Bible" -cause people did that. Or "It says God hates gay people in the Bible" -since God hates people and everything, and for the record it barely addresses homosexuality at all. Or "The Bible is proof as to why women shouldn't vote". All of those things have been proven in the Bible.
So the Bible is cool and everything but I can't stand some of the nazi Christians that use it as a gun.

Too bad Genesis wasn't written in Greek... :|SalaZar-

Ah, true, but it was translated into Greek. And the Greek is more accurate than the English.

what language was it written in?

[QUOTE="SalaZar-"]

Too bad Genesis wasn't written in Greek... :|dissonantblack

Ah, true, but it was translated into Greek. And the Greek is more accurate than the English.

what language was it written in?

What's wrong with inbreeding? Isn't that what God built each species to do?Kalel559

I disagree, if you take some of the bible as literal, and some as symbolic, how do you tell the difference between the two?

As for the 7 days, in the original greek, the word "days" used in Genesis means literal days, not figurative.

Very true and in addition to that, the bible has seen many translations. Words are constantly shifting. Who is to say which person got it right (I repaet the idea humans are gifted with fallibility). Faith is how you tell the difference, in many stories its the leson thats important, not the plot points. Nobody can say its easy or cut and dry. When I read the bible, I took away things that other may not have (right or wrong). In truth I take it all as symbolic, but like all symbolism, the message is concrete.

just like other works of fiction there are things that don't make sense...only thing is in the Bible 90% of the things don't make sensedante_123456

[QUOTE="Kalel559"]What's wrong with inbreeding? Isn't that what God built each species to do?yoshi-lnex

I don't understand what you just said. I don't think you even addressed any of the questions you quoted either.

While I don't have a problem with the actual Bible and what it says, It pisses me off when people nowadays use passages to "prove" their hate filled messages whether it be "Oh it says that slavery is right in the Bible" -cause people did that. Or "It says God hates gay people in the Bible" -since God hates people and everything, and for the record it barely addresses homosexuality at all. Or "The Bible is proof as to why women shouldn't vote". All of those things have been proven in the Bible.
So the Bible is cool and everything but I can't stand some of the nazi Christians that use it as a gun.

V_Thade

I can appreciate your frustration and as a christian I hate feeling like I need to apologize for the followers that spout the BS you mentioned. For the record I think all those assertions are a perversion of the bible. I just hope that people realise that its not the faith that is the issue its the practicioners that can't get it straight.

[QUOTE="dante_123456"]just like other works of fiction there are things that don't make sense...only thing is in the Bible 90% of the things don't make senseyellosnolvr

So it makes more sense to have appeared from a large explosion, evolving over from a single celled organism that came in the muck of the explosion?

And in the explosion, the earth was made in such a way that a few degrees closer to the sun, everything would burn, and a few degrees farther everything would freeze.

That is a ton of sense.

Ask any scientist how old the earth is. You will get a different answer each time, because they have to keep adding years to make their theories more sound.

To all the people who say it's just a bumch of stories:

If so, then why is there such a big fuss about them? How do regular old stories in a book suddenly divide a world into sections of people groups? Wouldn't it seem they're more than just your average stories for them to have that kind of power? Call me crazy but I don't think children's book stories get people as wound up as the Bible has and does.

I think people should cut the crap...

Kalel559

[QUOTE="Kalel559"]

To all the people who say it's just a bumch of stories:

If so, then why is there such a big fuss about them? How do regular old stories in a book suddenly divide a world into sections of people groups? Wouldn't it seem they're more than just your average stories for them to have that kind of power? Call me crazy but I don't think children's book stories get people as wound up as the Bible has and does.

I think people should cut the crap...

X360PS3AMD05

Ask any scientist how old the earth is. You will get a different answer each time, because they have to keep adding years to make their theories more sound.

Thats because science functions on thoery, anyone in the scientific community that knows what they are doing will even admit gravity is unproven. As for the actual age of the earth, I genuinely hope you don't believe that 6,000 year crap. That was just some trash numerology some guy cobbled togather during the renaissance. It has no factual or concrete biblical backing. The bible never gives an age for the earth or even the cosmos for that matter. I hate to brake it to you but disagreeing with a scientisti is no great feet. We dissagree with each other all the time. Its the point. Thats why science and religion are seperate spheres. One is based on constant critic and analysis, while the other is based on fiath and personal and community growth (in a spiritual sence).

To all the people who say it's just a bumch of stories:

If so, then why is there such a big fuss about them? How do regular old stories in a book suddenly divide a world into sections of people groups? Wouldn't it seem they're more than just your average stories for them to have that kind of power? Call me crazy but I don't think children's book stories get people as wound up as the Bible has and does.

I think people should cut the crap...

Kalel559

Not true, take the Egyptians and their myths. They created grand pyramids, massive cliffside temples, and a kingdom stepped in thousands of years of religious history. Their religion was carved into the very language.

Yet at the end of the day, meaningless fiction no different from other stories. They're interesting stories, and some are better than others, but at the end of the day they're still myth. Every culture has them, and where exactly is the Jewish one? That's right, the bible.

the bible is real, because every prophecy mentioned in the bible has come true.XenoNinja

[QUOTE="Kalel559"]

To all the people who say it's just a bumch of stories:

If so, then why is there such a big fuss about them? How do regular old stories in a book suddenly divide a world into sections of people groups? Wouldn't it seem they're more than just your average stories for them to have that kind of power? Call me crazy but I don't think children's book stories get people as wound up as the Bible has and does.

I think people should cut the crap...

Atrus

Not true, take the Egyptians and their myths. They created grand pyramids, massive cliffside temples, and a kingdom stepped in thousands of years of religious history. Their religion was carved into the very language.

Yet at the end of the day, meaningless fiction no different from other stories. They're interesting stories, and some are better than others, but at the end of the day they're still myth. Every culture has them, and where exactly is the Jewish one? That's right, the bible.

[QUOTE="yellosnolvr"][QUOTE="dante_123456"]just like other works of fiction there are things that don't make sense...only thing is in the Bible 90% of the things don't make senseSalaZar-

So it makes more sense to have appeared from a large explosion, evolving over from a single celled organism that came in the muck of the explosion?

And in the explosion, the earth was made in such a way that a few degrees closer to the sun, everything would burn, and a few degrees farther everything would freeze.

That is a ton of sense.

Ask any scientist how old the earth is. You will get a different answer each time, because they have to keep adding years to make their theories more sound.

Uhh... the Earth is "a few degrees" away from or closer to the sun all the time. It's called the seasons. ;)

So it makes more sense to have appeared from a large explosion, evolving over from a single celled organism that came in the muck of the explosion?

And in the explosion, the earth was made in such a way that a few degrees closer to the sun, everything would burn, and a few degrees farther everything would freeze.

That is a ton of sense.

Ask any scientist how old the earth is. You will get a different answer each time, because they have to keep adding years to make their theories more sound.

SalaZar-

[QUOTE="V_Thade"]

While I don't have a problem with the actual Bible and what it says, It pisses me off when people nowadays use passages to "prove" their hate filled messages whether it be "Oh it says that slavery is right in the Bible" -cause people did that. Or "It says God hates gay people in the Bible" -since God hates people and everything, and for the record it barely addresses homosexuality at all. Or "The Bible is proof as to why women shouldn't vote". All of those things have been proven in the Bible.
So the Bible is cool and everything but I can't stand some of the nazi Christians that use it as a gun.

Lethal_Gopher

I can appreciate your frustration and as a christian I hate feeling like I need to apologize for the followers that spout the BS you mentioned. For the record I think all those assertions are a perversion of the bible. I just hope that people realise that its not the faith that is the issue its the practicioners that can't get it straight.

I agree man. It's like that Gandhi quote that went something like: "I like your Christ, but I don't like your Christians." Like Jesus and the whole idea of Christianity is really neat and all but in the end we're all just people. Andpeople suck so we could never actually be all that we'd hope we could.

[QUOTE="SalaZar-"]

So it makes more sense to have appeared from a large explosion, evolving over from a single celled organism that came in the muck of the explosion?

And in the explosion, the earth was made in such a way that a few degrees closer to the sun, everything would burn, and a few degrees farther everything would freeze.

That is a ton of sense.

Ask any scientist how old the earth is. You will get a different answer each time, because they have to keep adding years to make their theories more sound.

CptJSparrow

I'm only quoting you to say lol about sumerians brewing beer and to also say goodnight to everyone. I'd love to continue but I'm tired and sleep is required...
Kalel559