Do Babies, Mentally Disabled or Those Who Never Heard Of Christianity Go Hell?

Now I'm not a Christian nor do I belive in god but under fundamentalist Christianity would those three groups go to hell?

Babies can't repent and died with original sin same as Mentally Disabled people. Since neither could understand let alone choose to repent wouldn't they go to hell because of their orginal sin?

If someone never heard of Christianity such as the people that lived on the other side of the world before Christianity was exported there how could they accept Jesus?

From the perspective of Scripture, I do not believe young children and the mentally handicapped will go to hell. I say this in part because of 2 Samuel 12:22-23. When David's infant child died he said, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

As far as people who have not heard the name of Christ, Romans 1:18-20 states, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

Now I'm not a Christian nor do I belive in god but under fundamentalist Christianity would those three groups go to hell?

Babies can't repent and died with original sin same as Mentally Disabled people. Since neither could understand let alone choose to repent wouldn't they go to hell because of their orginal sin?

If someone never heard of Christianity such as the people that lived on the other side of the world before Christianity was exported there how could they accept Jesus?

IndigoSunrise

who could possibly answer this question...? are you honestly expecting an answer?

Babies can't repent and died with original sin same as Mentally Disabled people. Since neither could understand let alone choose to repent wouldn't they go to hell because of their orginal sin?IndigoSunrise

I'm not God, so I wouldn't know.

From the perspective of Scripture, I do not believe young children and the mentally handicapped will go to hell. I say this in part because of 2 Samuel 12:22-23. When David's infant child died he said, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

As far as people who have not heard the name of Christ, Romans 1:18-20 states, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

Don't they believe babies go into Limbo.

From the perspective of Scripture, I do not believe young children and the mentally handicapped will go to hell. I say this in part because of 2 Samuel 12:22-23. When David's infant child died he said, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

As far as people who have not heard the name of Christ, Romans 1:18-20 states, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

mindstorm

Unless you are saying they are condemned to eternal hellfire just for something they have no control over.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

From the perspective of Scripture, I do not believe young children and the mentally handicapped will go to hell. I say this in part because of 2 Samuel 12:22-23. When David's infant child died he said, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

As far as people who have not heard the name of Christ, Romans 1:18-20 states, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

_en1gma_

Unless you are saying they are condemned to eternal hellfire just for something they have no control over.

>_>

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

From the perspective of Scripture, I do not believe young children and the mentally handicapped will go to hell. I say this in part because of 2 Samuel 12:22-23. When David's infant child died he said, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

As far as people who have not heard the name of Christ, Romans 1:18-20 states, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

IndigoSunrise

[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"]Babies can't repent and died with original sin same as Mentally Disabled people. Since neither could understand let alone choose to repent wouldn't they go to hell because of their orginal sin?MrPraline

If memory serves me right, according to christianity, if you don't get babtized then you end up in hell or the purgatory. I might be wrong on this.Treflis

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"]Babies can't repent and died with original sin same as Mentally Disabled people. Since neither could understand let alone choose to repent wouldn't they go to hell because of their orginal sin?thriteenthmonke

If memory serves me right, according to christianity, if you don't get babtized then you end up in hell or the purgatory. I might be wrong on this.Treflis

That is (I think) true in Roman Catholicism but I remember reading that they recently changed the 'rule' surrounding un-baptised babies going to hell. It's all very silly.

Not really. There are people all over the world who grow up in their own society/religion/culture and never even hear about Jesus because it isn't part of their society.

Unless you are saying they are condemned to eternal hellfire just for something they have no control over.

_en1gma_

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Not really. There are people all over the world who grow up in their own society/religion/culture and never even hear about Jesus because it isn't part of their society.

Unless you are saying they are condemned to eternal hellfire just for something they have no control over.

mindstorm

[QUOTE="Treflis"]If memory serves me right, according to christianity, if you don't get babtized then you end up in hell or the purgatory. I might be wrong on this.Forever_Changes

That is (I think) true in Roman Catholicism but I remember reeading that they recently changed the 'rule' surrounding un-baptised babies going to hell. It's all very silly.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Not really. There are people all over the world who grow up in their own society/religion/culture and never even hear about Jesus because it isn't part of their society.

Unless you are saying they are condemned to eternal hellfire just for something they have no control over.

_en1gma_

I think a better question is, who cares? Hell doesn't exist, because religion is a fairytale.

AFraud

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Me being a Calvinist, I have a slightly different perspective than you. Personally I do not see why Christ would save any of us. Saving any of us is simply an expression of his great love.

mindstorm

So basically everyone is born evil...Some people are luckily born in a certain society and is taught of Jesus Christ, so they become "good" and are "saved"....while those that get the unlucky end of the stick (which is a HUGE amount) and are born somewhere where Jesus Christ is not taught are doomed to eternal torture for something they have no control over. I'm sorry, but it sounds to me as if this view of god is not "good".

I think a better question is, who cares? Hell doesn't exist, because religion is a retarded fairytale.

AFraud

According to the Bible (which I think is the purpose of this thread, correct me if I am wrong) baptism has nothing to do with going to heaven or hell. It is only a symbol of your rebirth as a Christian.

Also, the Bible talks about reaching an age where a person "knows" they are committing a sin = able to repent. If you are not able to comprehend you sin, then you have not sinned, this means you have lived apure life, so you go to heaven.

The Bible says there are two ways to go to heaven: 1. Believe that Jesus came and died for your sins, accept him as your savior, and be forgiven or 2. lead a perfect/sin free life like Jesus did

So basically those that cannot comprehend their sins (babies and severely mentally challenged) have lived a pure life and go to heaven

If it truly is as many fundamentalist Christians say - that we may only be saved through the acceptance of Jesus as our savior because we are evil and God cannot have evil in his presence - then it seems to me that it is unavoidable to accept that anyone who has not accepted Jesus as their savior, regardless of reason, is going to hell. To find exceptions to the rule makes no sense, given the stern assertion that we can only be saved by accepting Jesus as our savior - either we can or we can't, and either God can allow evil into his presence or he can't. If anyone at all can go to heaven without accepting Jesus, then the entire idea that we can only be saved through Jesus is utterly demolished.

If it truly is as many fundamentalist Christians say -thatwe may only be saved through the acceptance of Jesus as our savior because we are evil and God cannot have evil in his presence - then it seems to me that it is unavoidable to accept that anyone who has not accepted Jesus as their savior, regardless of reason, is going to hell. To find exceptions to the rule makes no sense, given the stern assertion that we can only be saved by accepting Jesus as our savior - either we can or we can't, and either God can allow evil into his presence or he can't. If anyone at all can go to heaven without accepting Jesus, then the entire idea that we can only be saved through Jesus is utterly demolished.

GabuEx

Not really... According to the Bible you need Jesus because you sin So anyone that has sinned needs Jesus in order to be forgiven But it is not a sin unless you are able of recognizing it as sin I make things too complicated Example: baby rolls onto another baby, suffocates it, technically murder, but baby does "know" sin, so baby lived pure life, does not need Jesusrawsavon

If that's the case, then would it not be best just to never tell anyone that they're sinners? After all, if no one knew they were a sinner, then everyone would go to hell, at least by that logic.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Not really... According to the Bible you need Jesus because you sin So anyone that has sinned needs Jesus in order to be forgiven But it is not a sin unless you are able of recognizing it as sin I make things too complicated Example: baby rolls onto another baby, suffocates it, technically murder, but baby does "know" sin, so baby lived pure life, does not need JesusGabuEx

If that's the case, then would it not be best just to never tell anyone that they're sinners? After all, if no one knew they were a sinner, then everyone would go to hell, at least by that logic.

All those that do not believe in the christian faith are sent to the 1st circle of hell also known as "Limbo". At least according to the Inferno of Dante, the most popular description of Christian hell.

All those that do not believe in the christian faith are sent to the 1st circle of hell also known as "Limbo". At least according to the Inferno of Dante, the most popular description of Christian hell.

skelebull3000

The bible is saying that 99.9% of the world knows they are sinners. Bible is saying that 99.9% knows they are doing wrong in their hearts (even if they do not know about God) .1% are babies, mentally challenged, etc. actually do not "know" sin Bible says 99.9% will know they are sinning and will come into contact with God at some point in their life, they will then accpet/reject him/postpone the decision I beleive that 99.9% people know when they are doing something wrong (regardless of their beliefs)rawsavon

Then why do those attempting to convert others into Christianity constantly tell them that they're sinners and need to accept Jesus? If everyone already knew they were sinners, that would seem like a rather pointless thing to do.

At what point does a person suddenly become aware that they're sinners? Given that only a small minority of people are likely to end up as having accepted Jesus when they die, would it not be incredibly humane to kill everyone before they reach the age of awareness? Doing so would allow everyone to go to heaven, instead of inevitably consigning the vast majority of people to eternal damnation in hell.

[QUOTE="skelebull3000"]

All those that do not believe in the christian faith are sent to the 1st circle of hell also known as "Limbo". At least according to the Inferno of Dante, the most popular description of Christian hell.

IndigoSunrise

huh?

I believe in God, and I say there is no hell.

Or more specifically, we are already living it.

[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"][QUOTE="skelebull3000"]

All those that do not believe in the christian faith are sent to the 1st circle of hell also known as "Limbo". At least according to the Inferno of Dante, the most popular description of Christian hell.

huh?

[QUOTE="skelebull3000"]

[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"] Like I'm going to listen to some White haired half demon in a red trenchcoat.IndigoSunrise

huh?

Oh... I see what you did there. Never played the game though :P

Edit: Would there happen to be a character named Virgil in DMC? :P

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]The bible is saying that 99.9% of the world knows they are sinners. Bible is saying that 99.9% knows they are doing wrong in their hearts (even if they do not know about God) .1% are babies, mentally challenged, etc. actually do not "know" sin Bible says 99.9% will know they are sinning and will come into contact with God at some point in their life, they will then accpet/reject him/postpone the decision I beleive that 99.9% people know when they are doing something wrong (regardless of their beliefs)GabuEx

Then why do those attempting to convert others into Christianity constantly tell them that they're sinners and need to accept Jesus? If everyone already knew they were sinners, that would seem like a rather pointless thing to do.

At what point does a person suddenly become aware that they're sinners? Given that only a small minority of people are likely to end up as having accepted Jesus when they die, would it not be incredibly humane to kill everyone before they reach the age of awareness? Doing so would allow everyone to go to heaven, instead of inevitably consigning the vast majority of people to eternal damnation in hell.

I would say they would be granted into heaven.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]The bible is saying that 99.9% of the world knows they are sinners. Bible is saying that 99.9% knows they are doing wrong in their hearts (even if they do not know about God) .1% are babies, mentally challenged, etc. actually do not "know" sin Bible says 99.9% will know they are sinning and will come into contact with God at some point in their life, they will then accpet/reject him/postpone the decision I beleive that 99.9% people know when they are doing something wrong (regardless of their beliefs)rawsavon

Then why do those attempting to convert others into Christianity constantly tell them that they're sinners and need to accept Jesus? If everyone already knew they were sinners, that would seem like a rather pointless thing to do.

At what point does a person suddenly become aware that they're sinners? Given that only a small minority of people are likely to end up as having accepted Jesus when they die, would it not be incredibly humane to kill everyone before they reach the age of awareness? Doing so would allow everyone to go to heaven, instead of inevitably consigning the vast majority of people to eternal damnation in hell.

Then why did God forbid Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of wisdom >_>?

From the perspective of Scripture, I do not believe young children and the mentally handicapped will go to hell. I say this in part because of 2 Samuel 12:22-23. When David's infant child died he said, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."mindstorm

I have had the same problems too, simple answer though, but for some reason I could not answer it, thx ot!

I have had the same problems too, simple answer though, but for some reason I could not answer it, thx ot!

SegaGenesisfan

so that they would not "know" sin = never sin = everyone go to heaven but they could not resist satan they ate = know sin = send Jesus to forgive our sins =now need jesus to be forgiven rawsavon

But by restricting our knowledge, wasn't he also restricting our free will?