Do Babies, Mentally Disabled or Those Who Never Heard Of Christianity Go Hell?

Skellebull3000 and GabuEx ask very good questionsrawsavon

Thanks, it's interesting to see different perspectives. If only the extremists from every faith/point of view could appreciate differing perspectives. Everything would become much more peaceful and civil.

God puts those who've never heard of God and Jesus in Hell... so anything is possible.

2. There is no set age...three, four, five Different for every kid...you just Know (like when you start to like girls[or boys]-you just know) Christianity is all about FREE WILL God could have made us forced servants He chose to give us free will...our greatest gift..no one should take that awayrawsavon

I don't know about you, but I would kind of prefer to be killed before reaching the age of reason if it meant that I would go to heaven for all eternity, instead of being allowed to reach the age of reason and then go burn in hell forever. It would seem to me that an infinity of bliss would clearly be preferable to an infinity of torture. For that reason, if it is indeed the case that people go to heaven if they die without knowingly sinning, then like I said - it strikes me as immensely benevolent to kill everyone before they become aware that they are sinning, as that would make everyone go to heaven, instead of making the vast majority of people go to eternal hellfire.

...Of course, this is all contingent on the underlying assumption that people do indeed go to an eternity in hell and that the thing they must do is accept Jesus as their savior. And this is precisely why I, as a Christian, do not believe that to be the case (or at least part of the reason why)- it just runs into too many logical contradictions to count.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]2. There is no set age...three, four, five Different for every kid...you just Know (like when you start to like girls[or boys]-you just know) Christianity is all about FREE WILL God could have made us forced servants He chose to give us free will...our greatest gift..no one should take that awayGabuEx

I don't know about you, but I would kind of prefer to be killed before reaching the age of reason if it meant that I would go to heaven for all eternity, instead of being allowed to reach the age of reason and then go burn in hell forever. It would seem to me that an infinity of bliss would clearly be preferable to an infinity of torture. For that reason, if it is indeed the case that people go to heaven if they die without knowingly sinning, then like I said - it strikes me as immensely benevolent to kill everyone before they become aware that they are sinning, as that would make everyone go to heaven, instead of making the vast majority of people go to eternal hellfire.

...Of course, this is all contingent on the underlying assumption that people do indeed go to an eternity in hell and that the thing they must do is accept Jesus as their savior. And this is precisely why I, as a Christian, do not believe that to be the case (or at least part of the reason why)- it just runs into too many logical contradictions to count.

In Islam, any non-believer who hasn't heard of Islam, or has his/her judging impared, will not go to hell.

I'm pretty sure that Christianity is the same.

As far as I know, they don't.

In Islam, any non-believer who hasn't heard of Islam, or has his/her judging impared, will not go to hell.

ghoklebutter

As above, wouldn't it then be better just not to let anyone know about it?

The exclusion for people who don't know any better seems to make sense at face value, but in my view it quickly runs into extremely weird implications if true.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

In Islam, any non-believer who hasn't heard of Islam, or has his/her judging impared, will not go to hell.

GabuEx

As above, wouldn't it then be better just not to let anyone know about it?

The exclusion for people who don't know any better seems to make sense at face value, but in my view it quickly runs into extremely weird implications if true.

I've said it before yet for some reason you are still here instead of hitting the streets with an assault rifle "saving people from eternal damnation" Whats wrong with you man? Go save some souls! IndigoSunrise

Alas, most people are too old for me to save them. :cry:

[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"]I've said it before yet for some reason you are still here instead of hitting the streets with an assault rifle "saving people from eternal damnation" Whats wrong with you man? Go save some souls! GabuEx

Alas, most people are too old for me to save them. :cry:

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

In Islam, any non-believer who hasn't heard of Islam, or has his/her judging impared, will not go to hell.

GabuEx

As above, wouldn't it then be better just not to let anyone know about it?

The exclusion for people who don't know any better seems to make sense at face value, but in my view it quickly runs into extremely weird implications if true.

If you are a non-Muslim (kafir) and do not forcefully turn down an invitation to Islam, then you're good to go. You'll be judged based on your own beliefs at the apocalypse.

That doesn't mean you need to run away from Muslim Imams, though. :P

Okay I just killed hundreds of babies trying to save them from damnation. (I even preformed a few abortions as well.)

But...I'm starting to feel guiltyabout the wholesale slaughter of innocents.

Will I go to heaven? Its really starting to bother me and this blood just isn't coming out of my shirt.

Word of advice? Do NOT buy a potato masher from SEARS piece of crap. Didn't get through about 10 babies before the damn thing broke on me.

I mean I feel terribly sorry for what I have done? Empathy? Is that what I need?

If you are a non-Muslim (kafir) and do not forcefully turn down an invitation to Islam, then you're good to go. You'll be judged based on your own beliefs at the apocalypse.

That doesn't mean you need to run away from Muslim Imams, though. :P

ghoklebutter

Well, I'm just saying: surely everyone would prefer to be guaranteed not to go to hell when they die, yes? And if that is the case, then it seems to me that doing something that then gives them the possibility of going to hell would be bad.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

If you are a non-Muslim (kafir) and do not forcefully turn down an invitation to Islam, then you're good to go. You'll be judged based on your own beliefs at the apocalypse.

That doesn't mean you need to run away from Muslim Imams, though. :P

GabuEx

Well, I'm just saying: surely everyone would prefer to be guaranteed not to go to hell when they die, yes? And if that is the case, then it seems to me that doing something that then gives them the possibility of going to hell would be bad.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

If you are a non-Muslim (kafir) and do not forcefully turn down an invitation to Islam, then you're good to go. You'll be judged based on your own beliefs at the apocalypse.

That doesn't mean you need to run away from Muslim Imams, though. :P

GabuEx

Well, I'm just saying: surely everyone would prefer to be guaranteed not to go to hell when they die, yes? And if that is the case, then it seems to me that doing something that then gives them the possibility of going to hell would be bad.

Not sure where you're going with this. :?

Not sure where you're going with this. :?

ghoklebutter

Well, you said this:

In Islam, any non-believer who hasn't heard of Islam ... will not go to hell.

ghoklebutter

If that is the case, then what is the motivation behind telling people about Islam? Isn't doing so basically just opening up the possibility that they might go to hell?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Not sure where you're going with this. :?

GabuEx

Well, you said this:

In Islam, any non-believer who hasn't heard of Islam ... will not go to hell.

ghoklebutter

If that is the case, then what is the motivation behind telling people about Islam? Isn't doing so basically just opening up the possibility that they might go to hell?

I'm not too sure about this matter myself. But my quote is in the context of people who neve got a chance to learn about Islam. Just because they LEARN about Islam doesn't mean that they are condemned to hell. Only if they turn down an invitation to Islam-because they believe that Islam is false-that they may go to hell. Notice how I said "MAY".

Like I said, I'm not entirely sure.

I'm not too sure about this matter myself. But my quote is in the context of people who neve got a chance to learn about Islam. Just because they LEARN about Islam doesn't mean that they are condemned to hell. Only if they turn down an invitation to Islam-because they believe that Islam is false-that they may go to hell. Notice how I said "MAY".

Like I said, I'm not entirely sure.

ghoklebutter

Well, yes, I'm not saying that those who learn about Islam will definitely go to hell. But what I mean is that, surely, someone who loves his fellow man will not want anyone to go to hell. And if people who know nothing about Islam will definitely not go to hell, whereas people who have learned about Islam have a chance to go to hell, then it seems to me that one would be doing them a disservice to tell them about Islam, since you have effectively made it so that instead of being guaranteed not to go to hell, they instead just have a possibility not to go to hell.

Not trying to put you on the spot or anything - I'm just connecting the logical dots in front of me.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

I'm not too sure about this matter myself. But my quote is in the context of people who neve got a chance to learn about Islam. Just because they LEARN about Islam doesn't mean that they are condemned to hell. Only if they turn down an invitation to Islam-because they believe that Islam is false-that they may go to hell. Notice how I said "MAY".

Like I said, I'm not entirely sure.

GabuEx

Well, yes, I'm not saying that those who learn about Islam will definitely go to hell. But what I mean is that, surely, someone who loves his fellow man will not want anyone to go to hell. And if people who know nothing about Islam will definitely not go to hell, whereas people who have learned about Islam have a chance to go to hell, then it seems to me that one would be doing them a disservice to tell them about Islam, since you have effectively made it so that instead of being guaranteed not to go to hell, they instead just have a possibility not to go to hell.

Not trying to put you on the spot or anything - I'm just connecting the logical dots in front of me.

Like I said, only for people who reject Islam, it's their loss (they won't necessaily go to hell though, they may just be punished). If someone learns about Islam from an Imam, that person isn't in danger of going to hell.

Here's an example of what I just said: Let's say me, a Christian, learns about Islam in school. And suppose, that later in my life, I do a great service to humanity and solve world hunger. Does that make me a bad person? According to Islam, no.

As long as you don't keep Muslims from worshipping, or reject Islam with no excuse, then it's just up to God to decide.

Again, I need to be more knowledgeble on this matter.