Do inmates in prison really get food? But homeless people don't?

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#51 deactivated-5857b4a04988e
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[QUOTE="Dtnoip28"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Uh...

Atleast in my state, you cannot get any sort of government assistance without an address or place they can mail you so you can file quarterly reports and what have you.

A homeless person does not have a home and thus no address and as such cannot get these benefits, in my state.

Pixel-Pirate

What's your state so I can check? Or give me an example of a similar state to yours.

California. How would they mail you your things, keep tabs on you so they can find you if you misuse it, etc if you have no address and as such are impossible to find? :|

I cannot answer how they get it to you, but they are required to give it to you. I'm guessing you can get them at the city hall or other public building.

Source: http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10100.html#homeless

Should answer your question.:)

Edit: Also, if you need more proof, just google "Homeless food stamps." They all pretty much give the same answer. Homeless people Are Eligible for food stamps.

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#52 Shottayouth13-
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So you're suggesting that we put homeless people in prison?
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#53 Pixel-Pirate
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And in my experience, atleast in my area (which is a large city, so take that as you will.) it's not impossible to get food. There are trash cans put out by the city. Homeless people often go through these.

Is it right or all that healthy to eat food from a trash can? No, but they do do it. They arn't exactly starving to death.

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So you're suggesting that we put homeless people in prison?Shottayouth13-

No, we starve the prisoners.

Clearly, a brilliant alternative to simply accepting that there are hungry homeless people.

I don't see anybody blowing a gasket after they have a 20 dollar 12 oz sirloin while Nigerian children are dying of malnutrition. When everybody stops going to iHop for a hugeass stack of pancakes and they all stop being fatasses, then I'll tolerate their preaching about unfair treatment of homeless people in comparison to the imprisoned.

I won't stop eating at iHop though because I don't give a ****.

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And in my experience, atleast in my area (which is a large city, so take that as you will.) it's not impossible to get food. There are trash cans put out by the city. Homeless people often go through these.

Is it right or all that healthy to eat food from a trash can? No, but they do do it. They arn't exactly starving to death.

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grocery stores often poison the trash so homeless people can't get to them (in Europe, too!).
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#56 deactivated-5857b4a04988e
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And in my experience, atleast in my area (which is a large city, so take that as you will.) it's not impossible to get food. There are trash cans put out by the city. Homeless people often go through these.

Is it right or all that healthy to eat food from a trash can? No, but they do do it. They arn't exactly starving to death.

Just look at my post 2 above you. Homeless people can get food stamps.
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#57 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Dtnoip28"] What's your state so I can check? Or give me an example of a similar state to yours.Dtnoip28

California. How would they mail you your things, keep tabs on you so they can find you if you misuse it, etc if you have no address and as such are impossible to find? :|

I cannot answer how they get it to you, but they are required to give it to you. I'm guessing you can get them at the city hall or other public building.

Source: http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10100.html#homeless

Should answer your question.

Not really. It just raises questions on how homeless people keep these benefits for more than a month since they are unable to fill out any forms or other upkeeps required by law and as such forefit their right to have any food assistance.

The most logical answer to me is that they are allowed to apply for it and get it, but then cannot keep it past a month because they never reported their monthly earnings or met their appointed officer because they never got a letter informing them of the date to go.

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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And in my experience, atleast in my area (which is a large city, so take that as you will.) it's not impossible to get food. There are trash cans put out by the city. Homeless people often go through these.

Is it right or all that healthy to eat food from a trash can? No, but they do do it. They arn't exactly starving to death.

Hewkii

grocery stores often poison the trash so homeless people can't get to them (in Europe, too!).

Oh well. It has nothing to do with caring for incarcerated criminals.

Thats their problem. I don't see how that correlates with the TC's question at all.

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#59 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And in my experience, atleast in my area (which is a large city, so take that as you will.) it's not impossible to get food. There are trash cans put out by the city. Homeless people often go through these.

Is it right or all that healthy to eat food from a trash can? No, but they do do it. They arn't exactly starving to death.

Hewkii

grocery stores often poison the trash so homeless people can't get to them (in Europe, too!).

I'm talking of the trash cans that sit by bus stops etc. Where I can find a discarded big mac and half eaten french fries. People don't poison their own food they throw away.

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I'm talking of the trash cans that sit by bus stops etc. Where I can find a discarded big mac and half eaten french fries. People don't poison their own food they throw away.

Pixel-Pirate
that's probably one of the reasons obesity is highly related to poverty.
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#62 deactivated-5857b4a04988e
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[QUOTE="Dtnoip28"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

California. How would they mail you your things, keep tabs on you so they can find you if you misuse it, etc if you have no address and as such are impossible to find? :|

Pixel-Pirate

I cannot answer how they get it to you, but they are required to give it to you. I'm guessing you can get them at the city hall or other public building.

Source: http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10100.html#homeless

Should answer your question.

Not really. It just raises questions on how homeless people keep these benefits for more than a month since they are unable to fill out any forms or other upkeeps required by law and as such forefit their right to have any food assistance.

The most logical answer to me is that they are allowed to apply for it and get it, but then cannot keep it past a month because they never reported their monthly earnings or met their appointed officer because they never got a letter informing them of the date to go.

Obviously homeless people are exempt from that. Seriously, just google "homeless food stamps." You'll get hundreds of hits explaining that to you.

Edit: Also, you're saying I'mwrong when you haven't given a single source to support your position and I have? Give me a break. Seriously.

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#63 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'm talking of the trash cans that sit by bus stops etc. Where I can find a discarded big mac and half eaten french fries. People don't poison their own food they throw away.

Hewkii

that's probably one of the reasons obesity is highly related to poverty.

Oh I agree. I'd also relate it to the fact a healthy meal will cost you more than a bag of doritos.

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#64 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Dtnoip28"]

I cannot answer how they get it to you, but they are required to give it to you. I'm guessing you can get them at the city hall or other public building.

Source: http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10100.html#homeless

Should answer your question.

Dtnoip28

Not really. It just raises questions on how homeless people keep these benefits for more than a month since they are unable to fill out any forms or other upkeeps required by law and as such forefit their right to have any food assistance.

The most logical answer to me is that they are allowed to apply for it and get it, but then cannot keep it past a month because they never reported their monthly earnings or met their appointed officer because they never got a letter informing them of the date to go.

Obviously homeless people are exempt from that. Seriously, just google "homeless food stamps." You'll get hundreds of hits explaining that to you.

Edit: Also, you're saying I'mwrong when you haven't given a single source to support your position and I have? Give me a break. Seriously.

You only provided one link that didn't answer any of my questions on how it works. :|

I also haven't said you're wrong. And I can't post links to personal experience. Though if you care, I'm sure if you google the laws regarding food assistance in California, and how to apply, you'll get what I'm saying. Please try and apply without an address.

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#65 Snipes_2
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Homeless people get food and shelter :?

http://4homeless.hypermart.net/soup_kitchens.html

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#66 Pixel-Pirate
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Homeless people get food and shelter :?

http://4homeless.hypermart.net/soup_kitchens.html

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I have never seen one of those.

And I live in a large city. I also must assume there are limits. They cannot provide for every homeless person.

You also have the (rather sick) case of some people who are able and come in, dressed homeless, to steal a free meal.

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#67 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Homeless people get food and shelter :?

http://4homeless.hypermart.net/soup_kitchens.html

Pixel-Pirate

I have never seen one of those.

And I live in a large city. I also must assume there are limits. They cannot provide for every homeless person.

You also have the (rather sick) case of some people who are able and come in, dressed homeless, to steal a free meal.

They still exist for Homeless people to use. I'm fairly certain a majority of those shelters can house a large number of homeless people. It has lists of shelters etc..for each state.
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Something tells me I would rather be a hobo than a prisoner...

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This.....

So we kill prisoners by starvation?? Not sure where you are going with this. ferrari2001

And this.

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#69 GrabTheYayo
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true. if i was homeless i prob would try to rob a bank or seomthing. if you did it then cheers. if not, you got your self a home

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#70 buldog300
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Yup, they get food and the company of hundreds of convicted felons. There are some homeless that get arrested around winter time for shelter. What can you do? We have soup kitchens and tents cities, both private and public.
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#71 Treflis
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Of course, it would be inhumane to have the prisoners starve to death.
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]BTW, private prisons are a growing industry bent on profit at tax payers expense, like the military, and you can't starve slaves to death or else you don't get the money for holding them and the slave labor you contract through them, homeless people are just useless until they can make that a profit making private industrial complextheone86

Homeless people clean up litter, recycle items, scavange things that people just leave lying around, and do many other things. Also, by not having a job they keep everyone else's wages high (relatively) as if there were no joblessness there would be no demand for jobs, by being "useless" they're actually providing a service to society.

I'm not saying homeless people are really worthless and undeserving of services, it's just that there's money for private prisons to be made in th recruitment and maintenance of a prison population at the expense of tax payers, and people usually go along with it like "yeah, be tough on crime". Each state already pays substantial fraction of its overall budget just for prisons, and sending people there. It's an abused industry but there's money to be made. Read up on PRISON-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX as far as the exploitation of capitalism goes, the money one makes feeding prisoners, housing them by tax payer dollars to private institutions, to money being made feeding homeless people doesn't compare, I don't think there's an upside to homelessness and if we could solve it I say go for it, but people have to start looking for solutions and maybe not wasting money thinking everyone needs to go to jail, maybe ending the war on drugs would be a big start, in states like California prisons costs tax payers 11% of the states budget, in Michigan it's 20%, and these numbers will probably just keep growing but hay, it's legalized slavery, smoke a joint and one day they can lock you up for 20 years and make you build the highways if the law says its okay, meanwhile everyone from police officers to judges and the DAs make more money for sending these people to these prisons
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I was wondering, inmates in prison are fed right? It might not be a gourmet meal, a 5-star chef type deal, but it's still SOME form of nourishment in their stomachs right? And yet... do homeless people struggle to find food? Or is this supposed to be a trade between "freedom" outside and being inside a cell? Well there are homeless shelters but... if a prison does get full, do they release inmates just like that? Has there ever been a case of this happening? Is this a cause for alarm? eccentric_view

Well I was talking to Coolyfett the other day about this, and from the conversation he explained to me the prison system is legalized slavery. Slaves owned by the government. State Property. Would the master send his slaves in the field to pick cotton on an empty stomach? Coolyfett says NO. Sometimes when Coolyfett and I are out we see inmates on the side of the interstates, cleaning roads, planting trees, road repair, sometimes we see them painting old building downtown. Its cheap labor...the least the master can do is feed his property. Coolyfett also told me that homeless people are homeless for a variety of reasons. Mostly due to addictions and mental health. Health institutes need funds to care for these individuals and without the funds, people are removed from the institution, which leads to them being on the street unless a family member takes them in. Prisoner aka Government Slaves get feed because the government MAKES A PROFIT by keeping them in good health...even the ones on deathrow. Coolyfett is a wise man.

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The death penalty should be a lot more common than it seems to be atleast. If some looney stabbed his wife to death over a divorce, I'd hope my tax dollars sure aren't going to his food.

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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'm talking of the trash cans that sit by bus stops etc. Where I can find a discarded big mac and half eaten french fries. People don't poison their own food they throw away.

Hewkii

that's probably one of the reasons obesity is highly related to poverty.

No, it isn't. Poverty doesn't necessarily equal homelessness, and obese people have homes. You don't really see fat homeless people.

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I don't care. I don't have the ability to care.

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Very Interesting. Interesting indeed.

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#78 JustPlainLucas
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The problem is, inmates are being held against their will. It's illegal to deny them food, because it would be considered cruel and unusual punishment. The state or federal government is held responsible for their care. They are not responsible for the well-being of homeless people, but those people have more freedom than inmates, because they have the freedom to go somewhere that will help them. There's the difference. ;)
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The death penalty should be a lot more common than it seems to be atleast. If some looney stabbed his wife to death over a divorce, I'd hope my tax dollars sure aren't going to his food.

drumbreak1

actually before the death penalty they give you food made for kings.

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#80 NiteLights
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So, you're saying we should starve the prisoners to death?

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People locked up in a cell have lost their ability to get food because they are locked up in a cell. Homeless people have not...
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#82 Ronstera
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Homeless people should work their asses off if they want to eat..
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Homeless people ARE provided food (in the form of shelters). However, even though these services are offered, many homeless don't take advantage of them.
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I've heard stories from police officers of homeless people committing minor crimes so they can go to lockup for a bit.

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Many homeless people actually punch police offers just to get a night in jail with food and shelter.

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It is against the law to starve someone, obviously prisoners get food. Homeless people are not forced to be homeless, its up to them to make a living. I don't sympathize for hobos because they did that to themselves. I only feel bad for the children because there's nothing they can do
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Most homeless people are bums...Poor drug addicts A minority of them are people in bad situations but they have means to get food. Shelters, Food Stamps, etc.

I completely agree... Most homeless people could easily start getting their life back together if they gave at least a small effort. Only a few unlucky ones got put in the situation they are in and have trouble getting out.
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You can't starve someone because they broke a law.

The line between who got fed and who didn't would be the most controversial line in history. lol

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homeless people can get food in lots of different places for free, not to mention they can apply for food stamps. So there's really no reason why a homeless person in the U.S. or any other first world country should starve, unless they are too proud to ask for handouts. I used to give them money, but then I had to do community service in a shelter and saw how many options they have. The ones that ask for money spend it on liquor or other unnecessary things. I only give the really mental looking ones money, the ones who look like they don't even know where they are. As far as prisons. People are always talking about how they have TV and everything like it's a day spa. You can throw in a jacuzzi and it's still no day spa. Prison is hell, at least for majority of the people there. Even the guys who are acting all tough are really crying inside. They get what they deserve, but yes, a lot of them are in there crimes that wouldn't even be crimes in most other first world countries, like drugs. So I agree that many of them don't deserve cruel and unusual punishment.

http://www.venturearticles.com/what-to-do-when-youre-homeless.html

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#90 magnax1
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Something tells me I would rather be a hobo than a prisoner...

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This. Most homeless people actually make a fair amount of $ off of begging if they do. Some people actually have begging on the streets as a "Job" and make $100+ an hour. Pretty pathetic, but its true.

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#91 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Most homeless people are bums...Poor drug addicts A minority of them are people in bad situations but they have means to get food. Shelters, Food Stamps, etc. yentlequible
I completely agree... Most homeless people could easily start getting their life back together if they gave at least a small effort. Only a few unlucky ones got put in the situation they are in and have trouble getting out.

These days I just can't even bother a response. Just have to shake my head.

Almost all homeless people I have met suffer from SEVERE mental disorders. Generally schizophrenia. Not going to get on your feet all alone with that.

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#92 positivebalance
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well, jail is cold, boring, and the breakfast is TERRIBLE. at least a hobo has the freedom to do whatever he wants as long as it's inside the law.

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#93 worlock77
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[QUOTE="drumbreak1"]

The death penalty should be a lot more common than it seems to be atleast. If some looney stabbed his wife to death over a divorce, I'd hope my tax dollars sure aren't going to his food.

GrabTheYayo

actually before the death penalty they give you food made for kings.

Not really. You get to request your final meal, but it isn't necessarily going to be gourmet cooking. And they sometimes will refuse certain requests if they find them to be unreasonable.

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#94 Darkknight_13x
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Depends, what do they serve in prison?
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#95 DanC1989
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This is one of the worst threads that I've ever seen! You can't imprison people, then let them starve. If they choose to hunger strike then fair enough, but you can't let them waste away..it'd be against every human rights law in the history of mankind.