Do nice guys finish last?

Work with what God gave you.InterpolWilco

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]In my experience, that's absolutely true. Be attractive and treat everyone like ****, you'll have a girlfriend in no time.legend26

my best friend seems to love dating p****s seems theres something attractive about a guy who treats you badly and takes you for granted atleast thats my theory she'll never admit it :P I believe women think that us nice guys will always be around and so they go about dating "bad" guys(I use the term loosely) expecting us to be there in the end or maybe I have no idea about what I'm saying. I'm not sure:P I could go on and on but I'm not drunk enough to have my attention span stay on this too long

I think "Nice Guys Finish Last" is just an excuse people make because they can't get women and are looking for some kind of excuse. I find it pathetic, if you're a total jerk I don't believe your chances of picking up women will be greater, it will probably decline. It's more about being confident and simply put having the game to confront women and get them interested. Having something interesting to talk about, being funny, and not being a nervous, awkward wreck.

For instance, I'm a musician so music is something that always comes up when I talk to women. Sometimes just telling a woman I'm a musician gets me in the door and I'm a pretty nice and charitable guy and I don't think changing my attitude will help at all. I think being yourself helps a lot, find something about yourself that makes you interesting to women. (And no, I don't think women will be interested about your level on Gamespot forums.).

jazznate

Haha, I'm a musician too and a writer. It can certainly get you more attention at times but I don't like to play it in a cocky way. I think my Laid back nature makes people think I'm a pushover:shock:

if you are entering a "nicest guy" contest then nice guys would win.

so not always

Yes and i'm cool with that. [QUOTE="InterpolWilco"] Work with what God gave you.X360PS3AMD05

Its more a figure of speech. In other words "accept what you have and work with it."

And how do you know what type of girl your looking for if you don't date? You'd be surprised how your taste in women changes after you start dating, and learning about what you want, and what you don't want, what you'll deal with and what your not willing to deal with.

You only learn that through dating. Don't have the mindset that your gonna marry the first girl you date, cause thats not good for you or her.

Nope, I don't buy into the mindset.

The girl problems on these threads has nothing to do with "being nice" or a "being a jerk." Its the lack of confidence and overthinking about things. Girls can smell insecurity from a mile away and its a HUGE turn off. Girls like to be told what to do. Sorry, but its the truth. You have to be confident and assertive.

I'm a VERY nice guy, and I was a lot like you guys. Then one day I was like "F' it, I'm awesome" and just started to talk to girls easier and easier and in no time I was getting numbers and dates. Plus you should present yourself nicely. Girls aren't so much attracted to looks as they are a guy who dresses and smells nice. Work with what God gave you.

I know a lot of "nice guys" that are VERY successful. Tommy Tallarico and Tom Salta are great examples of this.

InterpolWilco

I agree except for the part about being told what to do... we dont like that. We like a guy to be able to take command but we dont want a dictator.

Yes nice guys do finish last.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="legend26"]so basiclly girls just want a "dangerous man" yeah when they think that they think maybe james bond, but in real life its just some good looking guy who wants some.....i guess i do sound alitlle despret but i dont reek it, i can talk to a girl with confidence but still usually have no chance:(, what exactly do i have to give to "chase" act like a jerk? becouse if thats it i guess i am hopeless.jazznate

Nono as someone earlier said... acting like a jerk will really not get you anywhere. But acting confident enough about yourself that you can project in your body language as you talk to a girl "I want you - but if I cant have you, then its your loss as I will move on without you" then that is when you become unattainable. Pretty much how you feel now about the girls... while they do what? Nothing really - There is no steps to it - its all about the idea existing in your head, and then projecting it out to the audience (which will practically come naturally once you embrace the idea that with or without them you will move on).

I think the 40 Year Old Virgin put it best: "Don't put the ***** on a pedastal."

And nice guys finish last... if that means last place is rich with nice cars, happy life, intelligence, good hobbies, and a family.

NOTE - You don't have to be a total jerk to get the girl, as the stereotype goes. If you have alpha-male traits, are confident in yourself, stand up for yourself, and have a good sense of humour enough to humour a girl, then that's all you need. You don't have to be a jerk to girls to get them - you just have to be confident :)

"Nice guys" that have this confidence don't have problems in this department.

I'm pretty nice and I beat some guy in a street race yesterday, so no.3DayFinisher

And I think you misinterpreted the question

[QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]In my experience, that's absolutely true. Be attractive and treat everyone like ****, you'll have a girlfriend in no time.Sajedene

Its sad but its the idea that nice = weak and weak = cant take care of the girl.

Its wrong... but it is what it is... also, the jerk guys are the ones with more balls to actually come up to me before the nice guys ever do - and being the jerks that they are - pretend to be nice at first... while the real nice guy sits on the sidelines watching it happen instead of coming in to take me away from the big bad jerk. Haha.

Nice i like how u laugh at the nice guy misery. Sajedene is totally badass. Fiesty.

OR I could be laughing at my own misery of having to deal with jerk guys. MgamerBD is a total badass too. Rawr.

A lot of girls like the idea of the unatainable. The guy others couldnt tame would be theirs to domesticate. Its not like I just flirt with jerks - I flirt with people I like, and some of them turn out to be jerks while some of them turn out to be amazing guys - for all we know you could be a jerk too. But what I'm trying to say is desperation reeks and is a major turn off. Give the girl something to chase - just like she will also do with you. If it was that easy, it would already be done.

EXACTLY! Think about this from an evolutionary point of view - females go after males who exhibit strong and masculine characteristics that they think would benefit them in terms of protection etc. They like the mystery of guys like that ;)

BAMF.

And I think you misinterpreted the questioncpo335

[QUOTE="jazznate"]

I think "Nice Guys Finish Last" is just an excuse people make because they can't get women and are looking for some kind of excuse. I find it pathetic, if you're a total jerk I don't believe your chances of picking up women will be greater, it will probably decline. It's more about being confident and simply put having the game to confront women and get them interested. Having something interesting to talk about, being funny, and not being a nervous, awkward wreck.

For instance, I'm a musician so music is something that always comes up when I talk to women. Sometimes just telling a woman I'm a musician gets me in the door and I'm a pretty nice and charitable guy and I don't think changing my attitude will help at all. I think being yourself helps a lot, find something about yourself that makes you interesting to women. (And no, I don't think women will be interested about your level on Gamespot forums.).

Squire_Ramza

Haha, I'm a musician too and a writer. It can certainly get you more attention at times but I don't like to play it in a cocky way. I think my Laid back nature makes people think I'm a pushover:shock:

You don't want to announce it to the world, you have to play it off in a cool, natural way. I'm in college and it seems like the first thing that always comes up when you meet someone is, "What's your major?"I mention music and automatically I've got the perfect ice breaker. Engineers will be making more money then me, but at least for now the women are going to be more interested in my musical exploits rather than what a buttress is.

You don't want to announce it to the world, you have to play it off in a cool, natural way. I'm in college and it seems like the first thing that always comes up when you meet someone is, "What's your major?"I mention music and automatically I've got the perfect ice breaker. Engineers will be making more money then me, but at least for now the women are going to be more interested in my musical exploits rather than what a buttress is.

jazznate

Nice I'm going to choose music as my major in college so yay for me!!

[QUOTE="InterpolWilco"]

Nope, I don't buy into the mindset.

The girl problems on these threads has nothing to do with "being nice" or a "being a jerk." Its the lack of confidence and overthinking about things. Girls can smell insecurity from a mile away and its a HUGE turn off. Girls like to be told what to do. Sorry, but its the truth. You have to be confident and assertive.

I'm a VERY nice guy, and I was a lot like you guys. Then one day I was like "F' it, I'm awesome" and just started to talk to girls easier and easier and in no time I was getting numbers and dates. Plus you should present yourself nicely. Girls aren't so much attracted to looks as they are a guy who dresses and smells nice. Work with what God gave you.

I know a lot of "nice guys" that are VERY successful. Tommy Tallarico and Tom Salta are great examples of this.

Sajedene

I agree except for the part about being told what to do... we dont like that. We like a guy to be able to take command but we dont want a dictator.

*noted*

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="InterpolWilco"]

Nope, I don't buy into the mindset.

The girl problems on these threads has nothing to do with "being nice" or a "being a jerk." Its the lack of confidence and overthinking about things. Girls can smell insecurity from a mile away and its a HUGE turn off. Girls like to be told what to do. Sorry, but its the truth. You have to be confident and assertive.

I'm a VERY nice guy, and I was a lot like you guys. Then one day I was like "F' it, I'm awesome" and just started to talk to girls easier and easier and in no time I was getting numbers and dates. Plus you should present yourself nicely. Girls aren't so much attracted to looks as they are a guy who dresses and smells nice. Work with what God gave you.

I know a lot of "nice guys" that are VERY successful. Tommy Tallarico and Tom Salta are great examples of this.

Lonelynight

I agree except for the part about being told what to do... we dont like that. We like a guy to be able to take command but we dont want a dictator.

*noted*

Well also take into consideration what type of guy you are. I'm pretty uncontrollable so my girlfriend is really the one with the pants but that's what I need.Tiefster

Well I also like girls who can take charge. I would step up if there is no one else but if there is someone else I would stand down.

So no problem for me.

If you're willing to quantify everything in life based on what status you have then you've already lost.

Have fun reaching level 50.

In the real relationship, no. But in Highschool, probably yes.

In the real world overall, yes. You need to have some cold bloodedness to be ahead of the pack at times.

No they do not. People think they do because they LACK PERSPECTIVE.

So your young, at high school and a bit of a nerd. The girls don't quite like you as much and the 'jocks' get all the pretty ladies. Life really does seem unfair, doesn't it?

When you grow up, you'll understand that being a jerk gives you no advantages. Jerks are easy to see, and if you go to an interview for a REAL job, not some office cubicle job, not a sales rep, I mean a REAL job, where REAL money comes from, jerks get shot down like nothing else.

Strong, skilled people get the real job, the real woman and the real success. I'm not talking about trashy celebrities. I'm talking about people who have REAL jobs. Being an engineer, a doctor, an accountant or a professional lawyer. You can get in at the bottom no matter your attitude. But to SUCCEED, thats a different story.

And if you think that getting some shallow cow of a woman means that you have succeeded then you are sadly mistaken. Those women are good for one thing and one thing only: flings.

No they do not. People think they do because they LACK PERSPECTIVE.

So your young, at high school and a bit of a nerd. The girls don't quite like you as much and the 'jocks' get all the pretty ladies. Life really does seem unfair, doesn't it?

When you grow up, you'll understand that being a jerk gives you no advantages. Jerks are easy to see, and if you go to an interview for a REAL job, not some office cubicle job, not a sales rep, I mean a REAL job, where REAL money comes from, jerks get shot down like nothing else.

Strong, skilled people get the real job, the real woman and the real success. I'm not talking about trashy celebrities. I'm talking about people who have REAL jobs. Being an engineer, a doctor, an accountant or a professional lawyer. You can get in at the bottom no matter your attitude. But to SUCCEED, thats a different story.

And if you think that getting some shallow cow of a woman means that you have succeeded then you are sadly mistaken. Those women are good for one thing and one thing only: flings.

RKfromDownunder

[QUOTE="Squire_Ramza"][QUOTE="jazznate"]

I think "Nice Guys Finish Last" is just an excuse people make because they can't get women and are looking for some kind of excuse. I find it pathetic, if you're a total jerk I don't believe your chances of picking up women will be greater, it will probably decline. It's more about being confident and simply put having the game to confront women and get them interested. Having something interesting to talk about, being funny, and not being a nervous, awkward wreck.

For instance, I'm a musician so music is something that always comes up when I talk to women. Sometimes just telling a woman I'm a musician gets me in the door and I'm a pretty nice and charitable guy and I don't think changing my attitude will help at all. I think being yourself helps a lot, find something about yourself that makes you interesting to women. (And no, I don't think women will be interested about your level on Gamespot forums.).

jazznate

Haha, I'm a musician too and a writer. It can certainly get you more attention at times but I don't like to play it in a cocky way. I think my Laid back nature makes people think I'm a pushover:shock:

You don't want to announce it to the world, you have to play it off in a cool, natural way. I'm in college and it seems like the first thing that always comes up when you meet someone is, "What's your major?"I mention music and automatically I've got the perfect ice breaker. Engineers will be making more money then me, but at least for now the women are going to be more interested in my musical exploits rather than what a buttress is.

similar situation. except im majoring in aerospace engineering. with a minor in astrophysics. while thats not intersting. i find when i mention the fact that my goal is to be an astronaut. that seems to work conversation wise. that said i do play the drums. and skate. so ive got the typical....that guy skates and plays drums look that people can tell from amile away. and ive traveled all over the world and lived in a bunch of different countries. so i never really run out of conversation topics which some people have a problem with. (i hate talking about myself to much though, feel like a jerk when i do).

Ive been told repeatedly that im a "really nice guy". ive had some very bad female experiences though. and im very hesitant with those that i feel like getting involved with. and because of this what seems to happen over and over and over and over is i get locked in the inescapable hell called the friend zone. im working on this though. that and im really really really picky. oh well. life goes on, theres plenty of phishs

No they do not. People think they do because they LACK PERSPECTIVE.

So your young, at high school and a bit of a nerd. The girls don't quite like you as much and the 'jocks' get all the pretty ladies. Life really does seem unfair, doesn't it?

When you grow up, you'll understand that being a jerk gives you no advantages. Jerks are easy to see, and if you go to an interview for a REAL job, not some office cubicle job, not a sales rep, I mean a REAL job, where REAL money comes from, jerks get shot down like nothing else.

Strong, skilled people get the real job, the real woman and the real success. I'm not talking about trashy celebrities. I'm talking about people who have REAL jobs. Being an engineer, a doctor, an accountant or a professional lawyer. You can get in at the bottom no matter your attitude. But to SUCCEED, thats a different story.

And if you think that getting some shallow cow of a woman means that you have succeeded then you are sadly mistaken. Those women are good for one thing and one thing only: flings.

RKfromDownunder

A real job is anything that compensates you with money for providing a product or service to someone else. And frankly, making 'REAL money' doesn't make you a success either. :|

Success in life is defined by one thing and one thing alone - are you happy or are you not. So I do very much agree with you that nice guys do not necessarily finish last. They could just as easily finish first as they could finish last. It's all about whether they're happy with their existence or not.

Sometimes they do. You always finish behind the person who is willing to go more than you. But if you are in a place where you can go to sleep at night accepting that - then you come out okay.

No one dies a virgin... life screws us all.

Sajedene

women want a caveman. not a sissy

in my experience be confident, nice but DONT GET PUSHED AROUND BY OTHER GUYS and people both male and female will like being near youdragonmaster64

I've tried this before, and it usually results in you being pushed back with your own force.

[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]in my experience be confident, nice but DONT GET PUSHED AROUND BY OTHER GUYS and people both male and female will like being near youVideo_Game_King

I've tried this before, and it usually results in you being pushed back with your own force.

dont use force im saying like if someone ask you to copy their notes but you barely no them say no. if you say yes girls think you just wanna fit in so your agreeing. what was your sceneraio?

No, if your an @sshole to everyone and step on everyone else to get to the top, you may succeed, but your soulless. You loose morally.Clampdown79

But you win in every other way. More than 1>1.

No, if your an @sshole to everyone and step on everyone else to get to the top, you may succeed, but your soulless. You loose morally.Clampdown79

your morals are not the same as everyones.

if you have everything you want, and are a jerk obviously something is working

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]in my experience be confident, nice but DONT GET PUSHED AROUND BY OTHER GUYS and people both male and female will like being near youdragonmaster64

I've tried this before, and it usually results in you being pushed back with your own force.

dont use force im saying like if someone ask you to copy their notes but you barely no them say no. if you say yes girls think you just wanna fit in so your agreeing. what was your sceneraio?

Being bullied. I tried not being pushed around, and that made things much worse. And the girls aren't really gonna like you. They never like you. They always like the other guy (usually the guy who tried to cheat off you).

[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]in my experience be confident, nice but DONT GET PUSHED AROUND BY OTHER GUYS and people both male and female will like being near youVideo_Game_King

I've tried this before, and it usually results in you being pushed back with your own force.

dont use force im saying like if someone ask you to copy their notes but you barely no them say no. if you say yes girls think you just wanna fit in so your agreeing. what was your sceneraio?

Being bullied. I tried not being pushed around, and that made things much worse. And the girls aren't really gonna like you. They never like you. They always like the other guy (usually the guy who tried to cheat off you).

i used to be bullied but the only way it stopped was when i moved (not because i was bullied) and found new friends. all i can say is stay confident and dont show emotions. iv learned that bullies pick on people for excitment and to see their fear and sadness this makes them feel bigger and have more prestige.

[QUOTE="Clampdown79"]No, if your an @sshole to everyone and step on everyone else to get to the top, you may succeed, but your soulless. You loose morally.H8sMikeMoore

your morals are not the same as everyones.

if you have everything you want, and are a jerk obviously something is working

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="dragonmaster64"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]in my experience be confident, nice but DONT GET PUSHED AROUND BY OTHER GUYS and people both male and female will like being near youdragonmaster64

I've tried this before, and it usually results in you being pushed back with your own force.

dont use force im saying like if someone ask you to copy their notes but you barely no them say no. if you say yes girls think you just wanna fit in so your agreeing. what was your sceneraio?

Being bullied. I tried not being pushed around, and that made things much worse. And the girls aren't really gonna like you. They never like you. They always like the other guy (usually the guy who tried to cheat off you).

i used to be bullied but the only way it stopped was when i moved (not because i was bullied) and found new friends. all i can say is stay confident and dont show emotions. iv learned that bullies pick on people for excitment and to see their fear and sadness this makes them feel bigger and have more prestige.

The bullying was in the past, but confidence and hiding your emotions won't work. They're persistent and will do anything to get their thrill. If they find that something doesn't work, they try the more extreme techniques. Ignoring them won't work, and they will dig deep. VERY DEEP. Bullies don't give up in their conquests.

[QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]In my experience, that's absolutely true. Be attractive and treat everyone like ****, you'll have a girlfriend in no time.MgamerBD

lol its because girls like the top dogs. The bad ones are usaully the best out of all. Get with the program. Here is what u do get the bad boy look and still have the good boy attitude. Welcome to the real world where badasses rule (like me) and the weak fail.

[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="dragonmaster64"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]in my experience be confident, nice but DONT GET PUSHED AROUND BY OTHER GUYS and people both male and female will like being near youVideo_Game_King

I've tried this before, and it usually results in you being pushed back with your own force.

dont use force im saying like if someone ask you to copy their notes but you barely no them say no. if you say yes girls think you just wanna fit in so your agreeing. what was your sceneraio?

Being bullied. I tried not being pushed around, and that made things much worse. And the girls aren't really gonna like you. They never like you. They always like the other guy (usually the guy who tried to cheat off you).

i used to be bullied but the only way it stopped was when i moved (not because i was bullied) and found new friends. all i can say is stay confident and dont show emotions. iv learned that bullies pick on people for excitment and to see their fear and sadness this makes them feel bigger and have more prestige.

The bullying was in the past, but confidence and hiding your emotions won't work. They're persistent and will do anything to get their thrill. If they find that something doesn't work, they try the more extreme techniques. Ignoring them won't work, and they will dig deep. VERY DEEP. Bullies don't give up in their conquests.

There is really no excuse for being bullied unless you are a little kid.

The bullying was in the past, but confidence and hiding your emotions won't work. They're persistent and will do anything to get their thrill. If they find that something doesn't work, they try the more extreme techniques. Ignoring them won't work, and they will dig deep. VERY DEEP. Bullies don't give up in their conquests.

Video_Game_King

Stop being such a negative nancy. To me, with every post you make, and with every attempt everyone else on here makes to help you, you just like shutting them down. You enjoy being in this negative state. You have a few bad experiences in the past and wallow in that self pity. Until you learn to get away from all of that, you will never progress.

[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="dragonmaster64"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]in my experience be confident, nice but DONT GET PUSHED AROUND BY OTHER GUYS and people both male and female will like being near youVideo_Game_King

I've tried this before, and it usually results in you being pushed back with your own force.

dont use force im saying like if someone ask you to copy their notes but you barely no them say no. if you say yes girls think you just wanna fit in so your agreeing. what was your sceneraio?

Being bullied. I tried not being pushed around, and that made things much worse. And the girls aren't really gonna like you. They never like you. They always like the other guy (usually the guy who tried to cheat off you).

i used to be bullied but the only way it stopped was when i moved (not because i was bullied) and found new friends. all i can say is stay confident and dont show emotions. iv learned that bullies pick on people for excitment and to see their fear and sadness this makes them feel bigger and have more prestige.

The bullying was in the past, but confidence and hiding your emotions won't work. They're persistent and will do anything to get their thrill. If they find that something doesn't work, they try the more extreme techniques. Ignoring them won't work, and they will dig deep. VERY DEEP. Bullies don't give up in their conquests.

umm...how about find someone like a very close friend someone who understands the problem and can back you up? i had a friend who always backed me up no matter what.