Do people who die of an illness.. (Religion)

I know most of you guys hate religion topics. But there are some of you guys that like them. I like them because they are interesting. It's always good to see from all the different perspectives.

So our religious question of the day is: What does your religion say about people who die of horrible illness. Is it an act of your God? Or something evil?

Some people believe that if you have cancer in this life, it's because you were evil in a past life. In my religion people who die a "straw death" go to the underworld. Peoples beds in olden times where made out of straw and that's why to die in your bed of illness is called straw death.

But what do you Muslims and Christians believe? Does your God punish good people with horrible illness, and do they go to heaven?

ummm...i beleive that whatever happens happens, and god has a reason for it.

Other Christians believe that illness is a part of life. That God had nothing to do with it.cd_rom

Yeah, I'll go along with this one.

Some Christians believe illness is part of God's plan. It's not necessarily a punishment. It's just part of his plan. Thus they won't seek medical treatment because it would disrupt that. Other Christians believe that illness is a part of life. That God had nothing to do with it.cd_rom

i was gonna say the same thing

[QUOTE="cd_rom"] Other Christians believe that illness is a part of life. That God had nothing to do with it.Metal_Mario99

Yeah, I'll go along with this one.

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="cd_rom"] Other Christians believe that illness is a part of life. That God had nothing to do with it.TheHighWind

Yeah, I'll go along with this one.

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

Some Christians pick and choose which parts to believe.

A disease happens because you get a viral or bacterial infection. No divine being decides it, it's chance, bad habits, or stupid decisions. If your cells multiply wrong, you get cancer, if you eat lots of fatty foods and don't work out you have a higher chance of having a stroke or a heart attack, if you have unprotected sex with a stranger who hasn't been tested you might get an STD.

Tell me, say there is a rapist who goes around passing AIDS on to his victims. And many of his victims are vey good, religous, and devout people. Was it your gods will that they got raped and got AIDS? If you think so, then I don't know why you would want to look up to someone so evil.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="cd_rom"] Other Christians believe that illness is a part of life. That God had nothing to do with it.TheHighWind

Yeah, I'll go along with this one.

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

In the Bible, God caused a flood. Does that automatically make God directly responsible for flooding New Orleans?

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="cd_rom"] Other Christians believe that illness is a part of life. That God had nothing to do with it.TheHighWind

Yeah, I'll go along with this one.

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

According to some religions, the entire physical universe was created by God. Hence if one accepts that the premises of those religions are true (I do not), God is responsible for the existence of pathogens and ultimately diseases.

The religion I associate myself with says that illness is caused by past karma and the negative effects manifesting themselves now are the result of bad deeds in the past. I am inclined to disagree with this idea to an extent, as the proponents of this idea tend to ignore the fact in Buddhism there is no contiguous "self" that continues on after death, which in turn wouldn't allow "bad deeds" to be "punished" by things like illness. Certainly, I do support the idea of karma (at least as "cause and effect") and would say that an illness now is not the result of bad deeds, but the result of a poor immune system or an infection. Of course, metaphysically one could claim it was the results of bad deeds, but it is impossible to say, and I don't doubt the Buddha would have remained quiet about such an issue.

My "religion" (if it can be called as such) is fully compatible with science, and I tend not to write off things as metaphysical occurrences like many Buddhists do, and instead lean towards the objective explanation that has observed understanding to back it up.

Tell me, say there is a rapist who goes around passing AIDS on to his victims. And many of his victims are vey good, religous, and devout people. Was it your gods will that they got raped and got AIDS? If you think so, then I don't know why you would want to look up to someone so evil.

Bluestorm-Kalas

Nope, not the gods will, but the will of Hel of the underworld.

[QUOTE="TheHighWind"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Yeah, I'll go along with this one.

Metal_Mario99

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

In the Bible, God caused a flood. Does that automatically make God directly responsible for flooding New Orleans?

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="TheHighWind"]

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

SkyWard20

In the Bible, God caused a flood. Does that automatically make God directly responsible for flooding New Orleans?

My point is that just because God gave boils and sores to a bunch of Egyptians back in the day, that doesn't mean He killed your grandmother with cancer.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

In the Bible, God caused a flood. Does that automatically make God directly responsible for flooding New Orleans?

Metal_Mario99

My point is that just because God gave boils and sores to a bunch of Egyptians back in the day, that doesn't mean He killed your grandmother with cancer.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] i don't get your point.SkyWard20

My point is that just because God gave boils and sores to a bunch of Egyptians back in the day, that doesn't mean He killed your grandmother with cancer.

No, not just boils and sores. Honestly, what is wrong with you people? It's like no one here can take a point unless they get hit over the head with it.

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Tell me, say there is a rapist who goes around passing AIDS on to his victims. And many of his victims are vey good, religous, and devout people. Was it your gods will that they got raped and got AIDS? If you think so, then I don't know why you would want to look up to someone so evil.

TheHighWind

Nope, not the gods will, but the will of Hel of the underworld.

[QUOTE="TheHighWind"]

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Tell me, say there is a rapist who goes around passing AIDS on to his victims. And many of his victims are vey good, religous, and devout people. Was it your gods will that they got raped and got AIDS? If you think so, then I don't know why you would want to look up to someone so evil.

Bluestorm-Kalas

Nope, not the gods will, but the will of Hel of the underworld.

Hel is named after her place, or rather her place is named after her.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

My point is that just because God gave boils and sores to a bunch of Egyptians back in the day, that doesn't mean He killed your grandmother with cancer.

Metal_Mario99

No, not just boils and sores. Honestly, what is wrong with you people? It's like no one here can take a point unless they get hit over the head with it.

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

[QUOTE="TheHighWind"]

Nope, not the gods will, but the will of Hel of the underworld.

TheHighWind

Hel is named after her place, or rather her place is named after her.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Other Christians believe that illness is a part of life. That God had nothing to do with it.cd_rom

Yeah, I'll go along with this one.

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Yeah, I'll go along with this one.

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="TheHighWind"]

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

SkyWard20

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="harashawn"] He plauged the Egyptian to free the Isrealites, not just for the hell of it.harashawn

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] And the plague killed them? What a load of hogwash that is.SkyWard20

no one, not even god pretends that he is an innocent person, he is just above the realm of sin because well he is our creator. The only person that people like to pretend was innocent was god's humaan form Jesus, which in my eyes was a load of ****

[QUOTE="TheHighWind"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Yeah, I'll go along with this one.

Metal_Mario99

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

In the Bible, God caused a flood. Does that automatically make God directly responsible for flooding New Orleans?

Awesome, he kills the family of Job just to prove a point. Makes perfect sense for a benevolent being. HoolaHoopMan

"The miserable man and evil minded
makes of all things mockery,
and knows not that which he best should know,
that he is not free from faults. "

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Within the book of Job God allows Satan to kill Job's family, to lose all of his possessions, and to cause Job to become physically ill. God allowing us to die from any cause is not an evil act. In fact, technically it is a good thing to kill that which is evil. However, God is good and gracious for giving us any gift, whether that be life, health, possessions, or family. He has blessed us far more richly that we deserve. "'Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised.' In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing." - Job 1:21-22HoolaHoopMan

I recommend reading the book and trying to understand what it means for God to be benevolent. Let's not forget that there is a happy ending to the book.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="cd_rom"] Other Christians believe that illness is a part of life. That God had nothing to do with it.TheHighWind

Yeah, I'll go along with this one.

If im not mistaken in the bible god plauged the people. Didn't he?

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]Within the book of Job God allows Satan to kill Job's family, to lose all of his possessions, and to cause Job to become physically ill. God allowing us to die from any cause is not an evil act. In fact, technically it is a good thing to kill that which is evil. However, God is good and gracious for giving us any gift, whether that be life, health, possessions, or family. He has blessed us far more richly that we deserve. "'Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised.' In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing." - Job 1:21-22mindstorm

I recommend reading the book and trying to understand what it means for God to be benevolent. Let's not forget that there is a happy ending to the book.

What point is an all powerful being doing when he commits premeditated murder? How does one justify the murder of a family by God?HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]What point is an all powerful being doing when he commits premeditated murder? How does one justify the murder of a family by God?mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]What point is an all powerful being doing when he commits premeditated murder? How does one justify the murder of a family by God?HoolaHoopMan

And none of us would either apart from God's grace and that's one of the points I'm trying to make. All of this is his grace upon us that we do not deserve. The only right to life that we might have is not because we say we have that right but because God gives it to us. mindstorm

What does that even mean? "Apart from God's Grace?" We are human beings, not some inanimate object to be destroyed at a whim. How easily you condone the murder of innocents merely because "a creator can destroy what he creates". Makes me sick to my stomach.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] And none of us would either apart from God's grace and that's one of the points I'm trying to make. All of this is his grace upon us that we do not deserve. The only right to life that we might have is not because we say we have that right but because God gives it to us. HoolaHoopMan

What does that even mean? "Apart from God's Grace?" We are human beings, not some inanimate object to be destroyed at a whim. How easily you condone the murder of innocents merely because "a creator can destroy what he creates". Makes me sick to my stomach.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] And none of us would either apart from God's grace and that's one of the points I'm trying to make. All of this is his grace upon us that we do not deserve. The only right to life that we might have is not because we say we have that right but because God gives it to us. mindstorm

What does that even mean? "Apart from God's Grace?" We are human beings, not some inanimate object to be destroyed at a whim. How easily you condone the murder of innocents merely because "a creator can destroy what he creates". Makes me sick to my stomach.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

What does that even mean? "Apart from God's Grace?" We are human beings, not some inanimate object to be destroyed at a whim. How easily you condone the murder of innocents merely because "a creator can destroy what he creates". Makes me sick to my stomach.

HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] I'm not advocating murder, I'm merely saying that God is free to be God. As far as what I mean by "apart from God's grace," I'm saying that even life itself is a gift that we do not deserve.mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] God is free to be God, a murderer is free to murder. Great, now I should watch my back in case God wants to prove a point to Satan.HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] God is free to be God, a murderer is free to murder. Great, now I should watch my back in case God wants to prove a point to Satan.HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] And you can only arrive at that conclusion if you do not believe that God is truly benevolent.

mindstorm

I understand what he is saying, I just think it's disgusting. A mother doesn't have the right to drown her own children now does she.HoolaHoopMan

What else do you call the systematic elimination of a race?

HoolaHoopMan

I deserve nothing less but can rejoice because God can establish his grace upon me. The same goes for anyone else.