Do you accept g@ys?

[QUOTE="Menalque2"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] Well then we should include the fact that the sphinter(hope I spelled that right) has to be broken in to allow something to be comfortably put up the rectum. I never understood why people use that argument. The prostate gland is a main component in an orgasm, so it makes sense that if you mess with it enough you'll have an orgasm. The prostate gland is inside abdomen/pelvic region and the rectum is the only part on a man that leads to the inside of a man lower body is the rectum.Ace_WondersX

The way I see it is that if a lot of people enjoy penetrative gay sex and there are no real biological barriers to it, then there's little point fretting about what other people get up to in private. The innocuous fact that it's non-procreative makes it no less natural than most aspects of modern life. I know you're only talking about whether is falls in line with natural behaviour and not the moral implications, but it seems pretty pointless to let it bother you if it's only going to upset other people. In my view, it would make a lot of people's lives easier if it were universally accepted as an aspect of everyday life in the way that lefthandedness is. Otherwise, you have a situation like in many other countries where the practice is illegal (even in secular countries such as China up until recently) and can land somebody in jail. I'm an empiricist, so I really struggle to see what ends you think refusing to accept homosexuality as "normal" or "natural" is going to achieve. It's just something that is there and is doesn't really harm anybody.

Meanwhile you have terrible rap music in your signature, but thanks to Mtv we've learned to accept it as being socially acceptable. Whats your point there?

Yet the rap music in your sig

[QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"]

[QUOTE="TheColbert"] Let me rephrase my self. My anger comes from the fact that even as you see on this thread right here, we have moved to the point where it is fine to be Gay people just accept it and that's the end of the story. If you were to come up and ask me today what my views are on Gays, I would tell you my honest opinion, that it is wrong in every way possible. I don't see my self as a pushover at that point, I have got in many arguments with people before. I meant more that I wish it wasn't the way it is now more than I just go with the flow. If this seems contradictory or my earlier statement then I don't want to be seen as flip flopping on this topic.TheColbert

How is it wrong in everyway possible? Can you give us atleast one reason that isn't related God? I mean sure back in the dark ages when people would pick at darker skin people thinking they we're a monster or something that opinion could be valid but we're in the present where we form opinions about things that aren't downright sick.

Cause I grew up in a house where I learned people are different and it isn't a reason to hate them and I stopped doing so. **** like that is childish and shows what happens when we think to hard into certain things.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I think we have been through this before and I showed how this argument about rectal prolapse is just not valid.

Teenaged

If it were true then we would have sexually active gay men running to the hospitals with a case of rectal prolapse by the age of 30! >_>

As we both know, this is not true and every man's rectum is working fine. There are even normal stretching exercises that can pretty much keep the area like its new! >_>

Lets not leave everyone else out

I accept gays, drag queens, lesbians, Bi sexuals, people who like to screw animals too, cause it's not my buisness Lol

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Menalque2"]

The way I see it is that if a lot of people enjoy penetrative gay sex and there are no real biological barriers to it, then there's little point fretting about what other people get up to in private. The innocuous fact that it's non-procreative makes it no less natural than most aspects of modern life. I know you're only talking about whether is falls in line with natural behaviour and not the moral implications, but it seems pretty pointless to let it bother you if it's only going to upset other people. In my view, it would make a lot of people's lives easier if it were universally accepted as an aspect of everyday life in the way that lefthandedness is. Otherwise, you have a situation like in many other countries where the practice is illegal (even in secular countries such as China up until recently) and can land somebody in jail. I'm an empiricist, so I really struggle to see what ends you think refusing to accept homosexuality as "normal" or "natural" is going to achieve. It's just something that is there and is doesn't really harm anybody.

dj_pulserfan

Meanwhile you have terrible rap music in your signature, but thanks to Mtv we've learned to accept it as being socially acceptable. Whats your point there?

Yet the rap music in your sig

Yes, it's not true even though medical professionals and professors both linked it as a cause. I guess they don't know what they're talking about :roll:Ace_WondersX

That fact would be a statistic that states proves the link beyond doubt.

So let me get this straight: you use that argument because for you since it is causing harm (even potentially since its not been proved) its not natural or normal am I right?

[QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"]

[QUOTE="TheColbert"] Let me rephrase my self. My anger comes from the fact that even as you see on this thread right here, we have moved to the point where it is fine to be Gay people just accept it and that's the end of the story. If you were to come up and ask me today what my views are on Gays, I would tell you my honest opinion, that it is wrong in every way possible. I don't see my self as a pushover at that point, I have got in many arguments with people before. I meant more that I wish it wasn't the way it is now more than I just go with the flow. If this seems contradictory or my earlier statement then I don't want to be seen as flip flopping on this topic.TheColbert

How is it wrong in everyway possible? Can you give us atleast one reason that isn't related God? I mean sure back in the dark ages when people would pick at darker skin people thinking they we're a monster or something that opinion could be valid but we're in the present where we form opinions about things that aren't downright sick.

Well that's how it is. The post here is do you like homosexuals. Not do you think homosexuality is wrong. And the truth is homosexuals are people. Not criminals not animals but people. Hate the sin my friend, Love the sinner. You don't have to understand why someone is gay just to be there friend. If there is a divine justice we all have to face it and it is unnecessary to judge other just because we don't understand each other. There are lot of good people out there and we can all learn something from each other no matter what orientation, nationality or whatever.

Lets not leave everyone else out

I accept gays, drag queens, lesbians, Bi sexuals, people who like to screw animals too, cause it's not my buisness Lol

Euroshinobi

Incidentally, it looks like Gamespot is monitoring the topics created for advertising. The ads I'm seeing at the bottom of the page are for all-gay cruises, gay and lesbian magazines, and "Is your husband gayguynamedbilly

Yep.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]Yes, it's not true even though medical professionals and professors both linked it as a cause. I guess they don't know what they're talking about :roll:Teenaged

That fact would be a statistic that states proves the link beyond doubt.

So let me get this straight: you use that argument because for you since it is causing harm (even potentially since its not been proved) its not natural or normal am I right?

gay marriage is wrong.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdH1ZEbnIms

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]Yes, it's not true even though medical professionals and professors both linked it as a cause. I guess they don't know what they're talking about :roll:Ace_WondersX

That fact would be a statistic that states proves the link beyond doubt.

So let me get this straight: you use that argument because for you since it is causing harm (even potentially since its not been proved) its not natural or normal am I right?

Like unprotected sex?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]Yes, it's not true even though medical professionals and professors both linked it as a cause. I guess they don't know what they're talking about :roll:Ace_WondersX

That fact would be a statistic that states proves the link beyond doubt.

So let me get this straight: you use that argument because for you since it is causing harm (even potentially since its not been proved) its not natural or normal am I right?

It wasn't until recently when I started accepting homosexuals as normal people. I felt that being an ignorant, homophobic teenager was simply immature and wrong of me. Homosexuals are people too, they just happen to be attracted to people of the same sex, this much we all know.

So I would just like to know, do you guys accept homosexuals or not? Feel free to post your thoughts but try not to hurt or offend anyone on this thread.

Tigerman950

It depends on how you define, "normal". First off, I accept homosexuals as people. Why wouldn't I? They are humans with faults and strengths just like any other human. What I don't agree with is their sexual lifestyle. I think it's a generally unhealthy one and is not "normal" in the sense that a homosexual couple cannot produce offspring. That is the natural result of intercourse. I don't have the time to get into an argument or prolonged discussion. I'm just stating my opinion, however unpopular it may be. Regardless of my views on the behaviour of homosexuality, I still think that homosexuals deserve to be treated just the same as everyone else...fairly and justly. What you do with another consenting adult in privacy is your business and your private affairs should not be tread upon. As far as I'm concerned, do what you will.

[QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] People can do whatever they want in private, but a lot of people have "different" sexual preferences. We don't teach every other one as being socially acceptable.Ace_WondersX

Meanwhile you have terrible rap music in your signature, but thanks to Mtv we've learned to accept it as being socially acceptable. Whats your point there?

lol are you kidding me? I love rap music. Which brings me to my next point, learn to accept it. There are somethings people can't help, like being gay There is nothing me and you can do about it BUT accept it. There are different styles of music, some you just don't like but you accept that people do. I don't like the rap music in your sig, but I accept the fact that some people (like you) do. It's there for the people that do like it. There are gays for gays and vice versa. There isn't anything we can do to chance that so deal with it.

gay marriage is wrong.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdH1ZEbnIms

-TheSecondSign-

That was great, you made my day.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Let me explain something to you: a link is very far from a verification FACT. ;)

That fact would be a statistic that states proves the link beyond doubt.

So let me get this straight: you use that argument because for you since it is causing harm (even potentially since its not been proved) its not natural or normal am I right?

Menalque2

Like unprotected sex?

no cause there sick and cross and against what god/evolution/what ever the **** you want to call it intendedwtfs_wrongwithu

Did you just create an account just to say that?

no cause there sick and cross and against what god/evolution/what ever the **** you want to call it intendedwtfs_wrongwithu

Bandodgers kill me.

[QUOTE="Menalque2"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] Yes, that's my argument. Most normal biological activities don't harm the person.Ace_WondersX

Like unprotected sex?

It's both. Could be a dirty penis and/or unouched vagina.

] Is it the unprotected penis penetrating the vagina causing harm, or the virus/bacteria on/in the penis/vagina causing the harm?Ace_WondersX

:lol: Well, any kind of friction can cause damage eventually, but I would say sexually transmitted infections probably cause a lot more damage than genital chafing.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"]

Meanwhile you have terrible rap music in your signature, but thanks to Mtv we've learned to accept it as being socially acceptable. Whats your point there?

dj_pulserfan

lol are you kidding me? I love rap music. Which brings me to my next point, learn to accept it. There are somethings people can't help, like being gay There is nothing me and you can do about it BUT accept it. There are different styles of music, some you just don't like but you accept that people do. I don't like the rap music in your sig, but I accept the fact that some people (like you) do. It's there for the people that do like it. There are gays for gays and vice versa. There isn't anything we can do to chance that so deal with it.

[QUOTE="Menalque2"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]Yes, that's my argument. Most normal biological activities don't harm the person.Ace_WondersX

Like unprotected sex?

It doesn't matter. In a real world context, you are still putting yourself at risk of contracting HIV, hepatitis, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc or an causing an unwanted pregnancy, which beings me to another natural biological activity which can be potentially harmful or even fatal... childbirth.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Menalque2"]

Like unprotected sex?

Menalque2

It doesn't matter. In a real world context, you are still putting yourself at risk of contracting HIV, hepatitis, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc or an causing an unwanted pregnancy, which beings me to another natural biological activity which can be potentially harmful or even fatal... childbirth.

Now that you mention it, giving birth puts a lot of strain on the womans body in general, sometimes (quite often if she gives birth to more than 2 babies) causing problems with the arteries of the legs, also it affects the elasticity of her vagina the heart beat rate may be altered even for months after pregnancy (I dont know the term here for that alteration) and so on.

Not to mention of course the sheer pain at the time of the birth.

So, is birth unnatural?

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Menalque2"]

Like unprotected sex?

Menalque2

It doesn't matter. In a real world context, you are still putting yourself at risk of contracting HIV, hepatitis, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc or an causing an unwanted pregnancy, which beings me to another natural biological activity which can be potentially harmful or even fatal... childbirth.

Nope, only cash, and no $100 bills after 11 pm.zakkro

Yeah, why wouldn't I.

I do get annoyed though with the guys in the high pitched voices who act just like stuck up preppy blondes. To be honest, I don't like the girls who act like that either.

So no response to my post AceWonders?

[QUOTE="Menalque2"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] Is it the unprotected penis penetrating the vagina causing harm, or the virus/bacteria on/in the penis/vagina causing the harm?Teenaged

It doesn't matter. In a real world context, you are still putting yourself at risk of contracting HIV, hepatitis, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc or an causing an unwanted pregnancy, which beings me to another natural biological activity which can be potentially harmful or even fatal... childbirth.

Now that you mention it, giving birth puts a lot of strain on the womans body in general, sometimes (quite often if she gives birth to more than 2 babies) causing problems with the arteries of the legs, also the elasticity of her vagina the heart beat may be altered even for months after pregnancy (I dont know the term here for that alteration) and so on.

Not to mention of course the sheer pain at the time of the birth.

So, is birth unnatural?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Menalque2"]

It doesn't matter. In a real world context, you are still putting yourself at risk of contracting HIV, hepatitis, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc or an causing an unwanted pregnancy, which beings me to another natural biological activity which can be potentially harmful or even fatal... childbirth.

Ace_WondersX

Now that you mention it, giving birth puts a lot of strain on the womans body in general, sometimes (quite often if she gives birth to more than 2 babies) causing problems with the arteries of the legs, also the elasticity of her vagina the heart beat may be altered even for months after pregnancy (I dont know the term here for that alteration) and so on.

Not to mention of course the sheer pain at the time of the birth.

So, is birth unnatural?

Besides I enumerated 3 side-effects of pregnancy (probably not the only ones) and you have one. What do you think?

EDIT: Also from the little I know, the elasticity part is very true for women who have more than 2 children and the heart beat rate alteration happens to almost every woman but it varies on how long it lasts after pregnancy.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Heres a good one.

Now that you mention it, giving birth puts a lot of strain on the womans body in general, sometimes (quite often if she gives birth to more than 2 babies) causing problems with the arteries of the legs, also the elasticity of her vagina the heart beat may be altered even for months after pregnancy (I dont know the term here for that alteration) and so on.

Not to mention of course the sheer pain at the time of the birth.

So, is birth unnatural?

Teenaged

Besides I enumerated 3 side-effects of pregnancy (probably not the only ones) and you have one. What do you think?

[QUOTE="Menalque2"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] Is it the unprotected penis penetrating the vagina causing harm, or the virus/bacteria on/in the penis/vagina causing the harm?Ace_WondersX

It doesn't matter. In a real world context, you are still putting yourself at risk of contracting HIV, hepatitis, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc or an causing an unwanted pregnancy, which beings me to another natural biological activity which can be potentially harmful or even fatal... childbirth.

But I thought your argument concerned the extremely rare occurance of anal prolapse. I haven't really known breaking the sphinchter muscle to ever be seriously harmful. No more than, say, breaking a woman's hymen.

And going back to pregnancy, am I wrong in thinking that the later stages of pregnancy almost invariably over-exerts a woman's skin causing scars/stretchmarks. Isn't that a form of damage in itself?

i don't like teh but secks.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] You said "sometimes" and "may". Refer to my previous post.Ace_WondersX

Besides I enumerated 3 side-effects of pregnancy (probably not the only ones) and you have one. What do you think?

(RED) Again the same is very true with pregnancy and birth.

So the conclusion is: you yourself admit that rectal prolapse doesnt happen but is just a possibility, but it is already established that several natural "functions" (such as birth) entail such risks or even worse.

[QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] Nobody told you that you have to accept it, they are plenty of haters like you that don't except it. There are still schools that don't allow rap music. So what's your point?Ace_WondersX

lol are you kidding me? I love rap music. Which brings me to my next point, learn to accept it. There are somethings people can't help, like being gay There is nothing me and you can do about it BUT accept it. There are different styles of music, some you just don't like but you accept that people do. I don't like the rap music in your sig, but I accept the fact that some people (like you) do. It's there for the people that do like it. There are gays for gays and vice versa. There isn't anything we can do to chance that so deal with it.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] You said "sometimes" and "may". Refer to my previous post.Ace_WondersX

Besides I enumerated 3 side-effects of pregnancy (probably not the only ones) and you have one. What do you think?

[QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] Nobody told you that you have to accept it, they are plenty of haters like you that don't except it. There are still schools that don't allow rap music. So what's your point?Ace_WondersX

lol are you kidding me? I love rap music. Which brings me to my next point, learn to accept it. There are somethings people can't help, like being gay There is nothing me and you can do about it BUT accept it. There are different styles of music, some you just don't like but you accept that people do. I don't like the rap music in your sig, but I accept the fact that some people (like you) do. It's there for the people that do like it. There are gays for gays and vice versa. There isn't anything we can do to chance that so deal with it.

Yea.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"]

lol are you kidding me? I love rap music. Which brings me to my next point, learn to accept it. There are somethings people can't help, like being gay There is nothing me and you can do about it BUT accept it. There are different styles of music, some you just don't like but you accept that people do. I don't like the rap music in your sig, but I accept the fact that some people (like you) do. It's there for the people that do like it. There are gays for gays and vice versa. There isn't anything we can do to chance that so deal with it.

XD4NTESINF3RNOX

Animals try to follow the status quo. I know we're humans and are intelligent enough to defy instinct, but we're still animals when it comes down to it

To get back OT, I for one am looking forward to the day where a topic singling out homosexuals as if they were a type of @ndroid doesn't exist. To me its the same as people these days asking if I'm OK with a specific ethnicity. Its old news, who cares anymore, a person is a person.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

gay marriage is wrong.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdH1ZEbnIms

BlueBirdTS

That was great, you made my day.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"]

lol are you kidding me? I love rap music. Which brings me to my next point, learn to accept it. There are somethings people can't help, like being gay There is nothing me and you can do about it BUT accept it. There are different styles of music, some you just don't like but you accept that people do. I don't like the rap music in your sig, but I accept the fact that some people (like you) do. It's there for the people that do like it. There are gays for gays and vice versa. There isn't anything we can do to chance that so deal with it.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"] Ok, sorry for the attack. But people are rarely taught to listen to a certain genre of music. People are exposed to music. And in the same way if someone is exposed to something and they decided they wanted to be gay then that fine. But still I don't think we should teach that it isn't something that sets you apart from the majority by going against the stat quo.XD4NTESINF3RNOX

Animals try to follow the status quo. I know we're humans and are intelligent enough to defy instinct, but we're still animals when it comes down to it