Do you as an American believe...

that the U.S government, even before Obama, and the CIA supported the Muslim Brotherhood? If so how do you feel about it?

I do believe that yes they did support the MB and got them to power in Egypt. The U.S/Egypt diplomatic relations continued during the one year the MB were in power. Not to mention how the Obama administration was caught off guard with what happened in 30th of June and kept a low profile towards the violations of Mursi's regime. If it was not for the overwhelming number of people who protested the streets that day, the Obama administration would have still supported Mursi and his regime.

I find it to be quite disgusting and repulsive that a state that claims to support human rights and the rule of law would do such a thing. I'm kind of speechless. Why does the U.S continue to bet on the wrong people in the region? I firmly believe that the U.S does not actually want a stable and prosperous Middle East. It contiues to incite violence and civil unrests throughout the region by supporting such political parties and regimes. They supported the oppressive Mubarak's regime and when that one ran its course, they brought fascists into power.

Gaza <3 <3 <3 Awesome thread. 

I completely agree with every word but, as you know, I am not American :P

Nope.

In fact they are supporting the opposition against Morsi at the moment and helped Mubarak repress them.

I think it's only Obama's administration that's supported them.

Gaza <3 <3 <3 Awesome thread. 

I completely agree with every word but, as you know, I am not American :P

MissLibrarian

Nope.

In fact they are supporting the opposition against Morsi at the moment and helped Mubarak repress them.

Squeets

I think it's only Obama's administration that's supported them.

Froyo101

Gaza <3 <3 <3 Awesome thread. 

I completely agree with every word but, as you know, I am not American :P

MissLibrarian

I would never visit the middle east.

The US government doesnt care who is in power as long as they can maintain their influence.wolverine4262

The US doesn't stick to groups, it only supports sides that give a benefit at a particular period in time. 

I don'ts wanna hijack its no more but I just want to say I hope you are good and all's well with you :)

I don'ts wanna hijack its no more but I just want to say I hope you are good and all's well with you :)

MissLibrarian

the US probably was supporting them all the way through and yet acted like they cared about human rights, but what makes you think it's disgusting and that ethics have anything to do with politics? it's just how politic works, they're just looking out for their own interests like any other country out there.

I don'ts wanna hijack its no more but I just want to say I hope you are good and all's well with you :)

MissLibrarian

Your analysis is overly simplistic and unreasonably biased.

For instance, dïd the MB win more or less fair elections in 2012? Yes or No.

Gaza, nice to see you around here again!

the US probably was supporting them all the way through and yet acted like they cared about human rights, but what makes you think it's disgusting and that ethics have anything to do with politics? it's just how politic works, they're just looking out for their own interests like any other country out there.

VaguelyTagged

Your analysis is overly simplistic and unreasonably biased.

For instance, dïd the MB win more or less fair elections in 2012? Yes or No.

SUD123456

Gaza, nice to see you around here again!

solidruss

GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] nomsayin

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] nomsayin

U.S, did not want Morsi (Muslim Brotherhood) to win that election. But now that he won, it's like, whatever.

[QUOTE="nomsayin"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] dave123321

was talking to him on TDH, he said his account is banned, so I have no idea. Why? You want him to come back? 

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="nomsayin"] you just missed kraychik bro, he came back a couple weeks ago but was banned after like 1 week. I think if he was here he would contribute greatly to this topic. 

nomsayin

was talking to him on TDH, he said his account is banned, so I have no idea. Why? You want him to come back? 

[QUOTE="nomsayin"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"] You know anything about when Kingkong0124 will return?dave123321

was talking to him on TDH, he said his account is banned, so I have no idea. Why? You want him to come back? 

Welcome back!

Thierry Meyssan alludes to collusion between Washington and the Muslim Brotherhood in this essay.

He also notes that the Muslim Brotherhood was---practically from its inception---heavily infiltrated by the British.

Above all--although initially a movement to fight against British imperialism--it [the Muslim Brotherhood] came immediately into conflict with Arab nationalism, the main opponent of imperialism in the region. Understanding the use they could make of the Brothers, the British experts in handling sects, far from eliminating them, penetrated and sustained them to fight against the nationalists. Today still, the international coordination of the Brothers is based in London.

ThierryMeyssan

ah , I see you are still here, hopefully all is as well as it could be.

Im not an American obviously, but Im not sure I fully agree with that, I don't think the US was a friend of the Ikhwan, what they want is stability.

you have to remember, Mursi did win an election and the Islamists did dominate the parliamentary elections , technically they were the elected ones, and I think the Americans weren't necessarily sure regarding who to support exactly, the democratically elected Islamists, or the secularists which were supported by the army (and it was technically a coup)

and of course sometimes the Americans and Europeans lack the knowledge of the region ,I mean , its pretty obvious when you look at what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Supporting a group with a such past was stupid. I can see Syria becoming some sort of Mali we get involve in with all the different group of rebels. I hope we make a smart decision in Egypt and make sure that it doesn't get bloody as well.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Your analysis is overly simplistic and unreasonably biased.

For instance, dïd the MB win more or less fair elections in 2012? Yes or No.

GazaAli

Many say....BS. No credible group seriously questioned that validity of the 2012 election.

Regardless, you don't think that the US has to more or less support the legitmacy of a duly elected gov't in one of the only democratic elections ever seen in the ME. WTF are they supposed to do? They have to walk a fine line having previously supported a dictator replaced by relatively peaceful overthrow.

And if they don't modestly support the elected gov't, who exactly are they supposed to support? We all know they were desperate to support El Baradei but he wasn't strong enough to win and stayed out of it.

suddenly Gazaali appear from the desert cavehippiesanta

Taking a break from all the freedom-hating activities, I reckon.

It's really, really good to see you posting again, GazaAli. :)

The US government doesnt care who is in power as long as they can maintain their influence.wolverine4262

I dont think they supported the muslim brotherhood.  At least, most people here were quite disappointed when they took power.  Felt the revolution in Egypt was for nothing since the egyptian people simply elected another oppressive religous govt. instead of a secular one.

Welcome back!

Thierry Meyssan alludes to collusion between Washington and the Muslim Brotherhood in this essay.

He also notes that the Muslim Brotherhood was---practically from its inception---heavily infiltrated by the British.

[QUOTE="ThierryMeyssan"]

Above all--although initially a movement to fight against British imperialism--it [the Muslim Brotherhood] came immediately into conflict with Arab nationalism, the main opponent of imperialism in the region. Understanding the use they could make of the Brothers, the British experts in handling sects, far from eliminating them, penetrated and sustained them to fight against the nationalists. Today still, the international coordination of the Brothers is based in London.

Stesilaus

Why would the US support the Muslim Brotherhood when our own government lamented the fact that they came to power?

I'm not seeing the upside for US foreign policy to covertly support such a group.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Your analysis is overly simplistic and unreasonably biased.

For instance, dïd the MB win more or less fair elections in 2012? Yes or No.

SUD123456

Many say....BS. No credible group seriously questioned that validity of the 2012 election.

Regardless, you don't think that the US has to more or less support the legitmacy of a duly elected gov't in one of the only democratic elections ever seen in the ME. WTF are they supposed to do? They have to walk a fine line having previously supported a dictator replaced by relatively peaceful overthrow.

And if they don't modestly support the elected gov't, who exactly are they supposed to support? We all know they were desperate to support El Baradei but he wasn't strong enough to win and stayed out of it.

Why would the US support the Muslim Brotherhood when our own government lamented the fact that they came to power?

I'm not seeing the upside for US foreign policy to covertly support such a group.

airshocker

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

Welcome back!

Thierry Meyssan alludes to collusion between Washington and the Muslim Brotherhood in this essay.

He also notes that the Muslim Brotherhood was---practically from its inception---heavily infiltrated by the British.

[QUOTE="ThierryMeyssan"]

Above all--although initially a movement to fight against British imperialism--it [the Muslim Brotherhood] came immediately into conflict with Arab nationalism, the main opponent of imperialism in the region. Understanding the use they could make of the Brothers, the British experts in handling sects, far from eliminating them, penetrated and sustained them to fight against the nationalists. Today still, the international coordination of the Brothers is based in London.

GazaAli

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]suddenly Gazaali appear from the desert caveLordQuorthon

Taking a break from all the freedom-hating activities, I reckon.

It's really, really good to see you posting again, GazaAli. :)

The upside is that the MB was insanely thirsty for power, the things they are willing to offer in return are beyond the dreams of the U.S. I have experienced the MB for sometime now and you have no idea how different and unprecedented their psyches are. Actually its funny now that I think about it, you will never ever grasp half of it, its something quite unheard of.GazaAli

Give me examples and stop being vague.

What exactly is the upside to the US supporting the MB? Just because the MB was thirsty for power doesn't mean it's in our favor to support them. In fact, that goes against every logical reason to support them.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]The upside is that the MB was insanely thirsty for power, the things they are willing to offer in return are beyond the dreams of the U.S. I have experienced the MB for sometime now and you have no idea how different and unprecedented their psyches are. Actually its funny now that I think about it, you will never ever grasp half of it, its something quite unheard of.airshocker

Give me examples and stop being vague.

What exactly is the upside to the US supporting the MB? Just because the MB was thirsty for power doesn't mean it's in our favor to support them. In fact, that goes against every logical reason to support them.

Their hope was that the US, UK, Israel, etc. would prop them up indefinitely in return for protecting and advancing American, British and Israeli interests in the region. In other words, the Muslim Brotherhood was willing to be a vassal in exchange for foreign protection of its hold on power.

As for concrete examples of their subordination to foreign influence:

- Morsi's flooding of tunnels that linked Egypt and Gaza. (The tunnels were used to bypass Israeli strangulation of Gaza's economy.)

- Morsi's opposition to Bashar al Assad's government in Syria and his support of the NATO-backed mercenaries attacking it.