Do you believe in Heaven and/or Hell?

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]No, because I outgrew my weakness of believing in fantasies shortly after puberty.Forerunner-117

Are you trying to offend people? That kind of remark can easily get you modded.

Just because some may find it offensive, doesn't mean it's wrong. :|

If someone finds it offensive, they can alert the mods (I never do) causing him to get modded.

[QUOTE="p2rus"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

I understand why you'd believe that but I believe it to be the Judeo-Christian God that exists due to the Bible. I know that's a very cliche answer but I'm constantly learning more and more about the Bible every single day typically for hours at the time. The more I learn the less I doubt my God to be the God of the universe.

mindstorm

I believe it to be completely true and the Word of God. I take many passages to be literal and many to be figurative depending on the genre of the passage (poetry for example isn't to be taken as literal, the historical books are). Also, I believe each passage should be interpreted in the context of the entire Bible and not just taking what a single phrase says. Basically yes but I believe the Bible can be easily misinterpreted.

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]No, because I outgrew my weakness of believing in fantasies shortly after puberty.harashawn

Are you trying to offend people? That kind of remark can easily get you modded.

What was offensive? I was just saying how I feel. Damn, so I can't even express myself? America is dying. We've become of nation of sensitive crybabies who habitually, and purposely, take offense to anything that might offend even one person. Everyone is playing thought police these days I've noticed. How about people just develop some tougher skin? It'll be good for all of us.

[QUOTE="Forerunner-117"][QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]No, because I outgrew my weakness of believing in fantasies shortly after puberty.harashawn

Are you trying to offend people? That kind of remark can easily get you modded.

Just because some may find it offensive, doesn't mean it's wrong. :|

If someone finds it offensive, they can alert the mods (I never do) causing him to get modded.

So the mods are evangelical Christians?

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="p2rus"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Who says I do not witness my God to be true by the things I see around me? Just because you interpret those things differently than me doesn't mean it isn't knowledge. I do not deny that I could be wrong but based upon the evidence I've seen... I believe in God. In just the same way I do not deny that I could be wrong about the evidence I've seen about gravity.

black_cat19

I understand why you'd believe that but I believe it to be the Judeo-Christian God that exists due to the Bible. I know that's a very cliche answer but I'm constantly learning more and more about the Bible every single day typically for hours at the time. The more I learn the less I doubt my God to be the God of the universe.

Um, sorry, but could you be the christian to finally give me a good, logical explanation as to why the bible, a book written by MEN thousands of years ago, provides ANY evidence that god exists other than the usual "the book says it's true, so it's true period"?

I'm not entirely certain as to where to begin as that is a rather difficult question to just spat out a simple answer. I feel like a mosquito in a nudist colony, no idea where to begin.

I guess I'll begin with Romans 1:20 when it states, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." According to that passage God can be clearly seen by looking at his creation.

This leads to a Evolution/Creationist debate often times so it's difficult to provide a just answer. I, however, do not see how one could think this world was not created by a Mastor Creator. Psalms 19:1-3 states, "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge."

The common debate against that is over how the loving and perfect God of the Bible could create an imperfect world as it is. To put it simply, God is indeed perfect and created a perfect creation. His creation turned from him and therefore became imperfect. There are still signs of perfection within creation and those things humanity can learn from.

Jeremiah 5:21 states, "Hear this, O foolish and senseless people, who have eyes, but see not, who have ears, but hear not." I'm not trying to insult those who do not believe what I do but the Bible declares that to deny God is to be foolish and senseless.

Then how is it that the universe's beginning can supposedly be explained by means other than God? That answer lies with Satan. Matthew 4 is about the temptation of Jesus Christ in the wilderness. Within that wilderness Satan uses truth (scripture from the Old Testament) in a manner as to cause Jesus to stumble. What Satan does is use a half-truth to cause Jesus to do wrong or go against what God had said.

In just the same way, Satan uses half-truths regarding creation to show how the earth was formed... he just does so in a manner that does not include God. That is why studying God's Word is so important, to be able to point out the half-truths from the full-truths.

I know I used the Bible to supposedly prove God's existence but that is what is required. It is as if to tell an evolutionist to prove evolution without mention of the world or anything within the world. The answer of "the Bible says it so it's true" is very cliche but is indeed the answer. One can learn about God through creation but one can be deceived without His Word as a guide in interpreting what is seen in that creation.

Both atheists and Christians look at the same evidence in the world to prove the same points very often. Many do not like to admit that but that is indeed the case.

I wrote a lot of material but still feel I answered the question inadequately... It's something I could spend days talking about so I only gave a summary...

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Vuurk"]

I just checked and the topic is still on the first page even....come on man....

It's titled Is Hell Real?

Please don't make duplicate topics if there is already one on the first page.

mindstorm

Belief =/= real. ;)

I believe heaven and hell to be real... I also believe gravity to be real. Your argument just failed.

No I mean he said that the topics are the same... They aren't the same.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Vuurk"]

I just checked and the topic is still on the first page even....come on man....

It's titled Is Hell Real?

Please don't make duplicate topics if there is already one on the first page.

battlefront23

Belief =/= real. ;)

I believe heaven and hell to be real... I also believe gravity to be real. Your argument just failed.

No I mean he said that the topics are the same... They aren't the same.

ah ok. I see what you mean, I guess I should have read more clearly.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]
[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

No.

I also don't believe in fairies.

FamiBox

Are you comparing religion to a mythological creature? That is just wrong on so many levels.

It's not wrong. There's no difference.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="p2rus"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Who says I do not witness my God to be true by the things I see around me? Just because you interpret those things differently than me doesn't mean it isn't knowledge. I do not deny that I could be wrong but based upon the evidence I've seen... I believe in God. In just the same way I do not deny that I could be wrong about the evidence I've seen about gravity.

mindstorm

I understand why you'd believe that but I believe it to be the Judeo-Christian God that exists due to the Bible. I know that's a very cliche answer but I'm constantly learning more and more about the Bible every single day typically for hours at the time. The more I learn the less I doubt my God to be the God of the universe.

Um, sorry, but could you be the christian to finally give me a good, logical explanation as to why the bible, a book written by MEN thousands of years ago, provides ANY evidence that god exists other than the usual "the book says it's true, so it's true period"?

I'm not entirely certain as to where to begin as that is a rather difficult question to just spat out a simple answer. I feel like a mosquito in a nudist colony, no idea where to begin.

I guess I'll begin with Romans 1:20 when it states, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." According to that passage God can be clearly seen by looking at his creation.

This leads to a Evolution/Creationist debate often times so it's difficult to provide a just answer. I, however, do not see how one could think this world was not created by a Mastor Creator. Psalms 19:1-3 states, "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge."

The common debate against that is over how the loving and perfect God of the Bible could create an imperfect world as it is. To put it simply, God is indeed perfect and created a perfect creation. His creation turned from him and therefore became imperfect. There are still signs of perfection within creation and those things humanity can learn from.

I don't think the world (god's creation) proves anything, humans marvel at the perfection and majesty of nature, but just because it seems to be too great to comprehend does not mean the only plausible explanation would be a Master Creator. I think it's far more logical (and even humble) to say that as humans, with all our limitations, we just fail to fully grasp nature's grandeur. Also, everything we see in this world is just the result of chemistry, it's just how elements combine and react together in an environment based primarily on some elements (such as carbon). That is true of all life, including us, it's just a series of chemical reactions. If the conditions were different and life had adapted to use and base itself on other elements, we would see completely different things, but they would be just as marvelous and we would be just as amazed by them.

Jeremiah 5:21 states, "Hear this, O foolish and senseless people, who have eyes, but see not, who have ears, but hear not." I'm not trying to insult those who do not believe what I do but the Bible declares that to deny God is to be foolish and senseless.

Then how is it that the universe's beginning can supposedly be explained by means other than God? That answer lies with Satan. Matthew 4 is about the temptation of Jesus Christ in the wilderness. Within that wilderness Satan uses truth (scripture from the Old Testament) in a manner as to cause Jesus to stumble. What Satan does is use a half-truth to cause Jesus to do wrong or go against what God had said.

In just the same way, Satan uses half-truths regarding creation to show how the earth was formed... he just does so in a manner that does not include God. That is why studying God's Word is so important, to be able to point out the half-truths from the full-truths.

mindstorm

But wouldn't that be admiting that the big bang and all the other different theories on the beginning of the universe and the origin of life on earth are true? I mean, according to you, those scientific theories are half-truths shown to us by Satan, but what he's telling us IS true, he's just taking god out of it, thus making it half-true, so wouldn't that mean that those theories are correct, and everything comes from the big bang, except it was God that set everything in motion?

I know I used the Bible to supposedly prove God's existence but that is what is required. It is as if to tell an evolutionist to prove evolution without mention of the world or anything within the world. The answer of "the Bible says it so it's true" is very cliche but is indeed the answer. One can learn about God through creation but one can be deceived without His Word as a guide in interpreting what is seen in that creation.

Both atheists and Christians look at the same evidence in the world to prove the same points very often. Many do not like to admit that but that is indeed the case.

I wrote a lot of material but still feel I answered the question inadequately... It's something I could spend days talking about so I only gave a summary...

mindstorm

Well, I adressed all of this above, so now I'll just wait for an answer.

I don't think the world (god's creation) proves anything, humans marvel at the perfection and majesty of nature, but just because it seems to be too great to comprehend does not mean the only plausible explanation would be a Master Creator. I think it's far more logical (and even humble) to say that as humans, with all our limitations, we just fail to fully grasp nature's grandeur. Also, everything we see in this world is just the result of chemistry, that's just how elements combine and react together in an environment based primarily on some elements (such as carbon), that is true of all life, including us, it's just a series of chemical reactions. If the conditions were different and life had adapted to use and base itself on other elements, we would see completely different things, but they would be just as marvelous and we would be just as amazed by them.

black_cat19

I see why one would believe that as there was a time in my life I was some odd mix between deist, evolutionist, and Christian. I, however, feel humble in believing God created the heavens and the earth especially tonight as I went through a Bible study on Isaiah 40. I recommend you read it as it shows the awesomeness of God as he created amongst other things.

Just one passage out of that is 21-23, "Do you not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; who brings princes to nothing, and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness."

Take that passage when it says God "who stretches out the heavens like a curtain." I'm sure you realize how incredibly small we are compared to the rest of the universe... how many miles it is to the sun, to the nearest star, to the nearest galexy. To know that God is so incredible that he is able to create and form the universe with such eash is incredibly humbling to myself. I am in awe of my God and creator.

25-26 goes on to say, "To whom then will you compare me, that I should be like him? says the Holy One.Lift up your eyes on high and see: who created these?" To know that God did all of that and without the need of effort is incredible and humbling to myself. I recommend any to read the chapter to look at more that is stated. The fact that it states in verse 29, "He gives power to the faint, and to him who has no might he increases strength." after showing how amazing God is puts me in my place. I am nothing in comparison to God but he loves me regardless.

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In regards to what you say about chemistry, I realize the Bible is not an exhaustive science text book but I do believe many things can be gained from what is stated within the Bible. Just an example being that man was created in Genesis by means of the "dust of the earth." Basically man was created using common elements like carbon. This does not contradict what science teaches us.

What you see as "miracles" of nature I see as showing the intelligence of God.

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But wouldn't that be admiting that the big bang and all the other different theories on the beginning of the universe and the origin of life on earth are true? I mean, according to you, those scientific theories are half-truths shown to us by Satan, but what he's telling us IS true, he's just taking god out of it, thus making it half-true, so wouldn't that mean that those theories are correct, and everything comes from the big bang, except it was God that set everything in motion?

black_cat19

I do not admit the Big Bang to be true (though I am not saying there is no chance of it being true). I simply mean Satan is the "father of lies" and knows how to trick humanity. He did so in the garden in saying "Did God really say...?" and in the wilderness with Jesus.

I personally hold a young earth view of Creation (about 10,000 year old creation) but I do not deny that I could be wrong. I've changed my views in the past and could do so in the future. I do not claim to know everything (as only God does) and will admit such. Based upon what I've learned from countless scientists (not only articles read but met in person) and what I believe the Bible to state is where I get my view of the age of the earth from.

There seems to be this slider scale with science in one side and an extremely literal view of the Bible in the other. I hold that genres of the Bible determine whether a passage is literal or not and I personally believe Genesis to have a genre with literal tendencies. Many hold a different view than I but that isn't what truly matters. Faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ is what truly matters.

Humanity is fallible and I will question anything that has been taught to me, I just simply believe the evidence points towards Christianity being true. I'm not stating truth to be relative but I do believe finding that truth isn't as simple as listening to a high school science teacher or reading a book by Richard Dawkins.

--Moral to the story: do not let the age of the earth debate stop you from following Christ.

Edit: If there are any responses I'm sorry but I've got to go to bed for the night. I'll respond if need be when I get the chance however. ..or you could just send me a message. Doesn't matter.

I believe in the possibility of a heaven, but not of a fiery hell. The idea of a hell being a fiery place is so awkward and doesn't make much sense. Since supposedly God is the source of all light, and light = warmth, then I believe if there is a hell it should be a cold, dark, barren place.

Warmth = light = Heaven

Coldness = dark = Hell

Makes sense to me.

If they exist, then that's how I see them. If they don't exist, then oh well. :P

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

I don't think the world (god's creation) proves anything, humans marvel at the perfection and majesty of nature, but just because it seems to be too great to comprehend does not mean the only plausible explanation would be a Master Creator. I think it's far more logical (and even humble) to say that as humans, with all our limitations, we just fail to fully grasp nature's grandeur. Also, everything we see in this world is just the result of chemistry, that's just how elements combine and react together in an environment based primarily on some elements (such as carbon), that is true of all life, including us, it's just a series of chemical reactions. If the conditions were different and life had adapted to use and base itself on other elements, we would see completely different things, but they would be just as marvelous and we would be just as amazed by them.

mindstorm

I see why one would believe that as there was a time in my life I was some odd mix between deist, evolutionist, and Christian. I, however, feel humble in believing God created the heavens and the earth especially tonight as I went through a Bible study on Isaiah 40. I recommend you read it as it shows the awesomeness of God as he created amongst other things.

Just one passage out of that is 21-23, "Do you not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; who brings princes to nothing, and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness."

Take that passage when it says God "who stretches out the heavens like a curtain." I'm sure you realize how incredibly small we are compared to the rest of the universe... how many miles it is to the sun, to the nearest star, to the nearest galexy. To know that God is so incredible that he is able to create and form the universe with such eash is incredibly humbling to myself. I am in awe of my God and creator.

25-26 goes on to say, "To whom then will you compare me, that I should be like him? says the Holy One.Lift up your eyes on high and see: who created these?" To know that God did all of that and without the need of effort is incredible and humbling to myself. I recommend any to read the chapter to look at more that is stated. The fact that it states in verse 29, "He gives power to the faint, and to him who has no might he increases strength." after showing how amazing God is puts me in my place. I am nothing in comparison to God but he loves me regardless.

----------------

In regards to what you say about chemistry, I realize the Bible is not an exhaustive science text book but I do believe many things can be gained from what is stated within the Bible. Just an example being that man was created in Genesis by means of the "dust of the earth." Basically man was created using common elements like carbon. This does not contradict what science teaches us.

What you see as "miracles" of nature I see as showing the intelligence of God.

----------------

But wouldn't that be admiting that the big bang and all the other different theories on the beginning of the universe and the origin of life on earth are true? I mean, according to you, those scientific theories are half-truths shown to us by Satan, but what he's telling us IS true, he's just taking god out of it, thus making it half-true, so wouldn't that mean that those theories are correct, and everything comes from the big bang, except it was God that set everything in motion?

black_cat19

I do not admit the Big Bang to be true (though I am not saying there is no chance of it being true). I simply mean Satan is the "father of lies" and knows how to trick humanity. He did so in the garden in saying "Did God really say...?" and in the wilderness with Jesus.

I personally hold a young earth view of Creation (about 10,000 year old creation) but I do not deny that I could be wrong. I've changed my views in the past and could do so in the future. I do not claim to know everything (as only God does) and will admit such. Based upon what I've learned from countless scientists (not only articles read but met in person) and what I believe the Bible to state is where I get my view of the age of the earth from.

There seems to be this slider scale with science in one side and an extremely literal view of the Bible in the other. I hold that genres of the Bible determine whether a passage is literal or not and I personally believe Genesis to have a genre with literal tendencies. Many hold a different view than I but that isn't what truly matters. Faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ is what truly matters.

Humanity is fallible and I will question anything that has been taught to me, I just simply believe the evidence points towards Christianity being true. I'm not stating truth to be relative but I do believe finding that truth isn't as simple as listening to a high school science teacher or reading a book by Richard Dawkins.

--Moral to the story: do not let the age of the earth debate stop you from following Christ.

Edit: If there are any responses I'm sorry but I've got to go to bed for the night. I'll respond if need be when I get the chance however. ..or you could just send me a message. Doesn't matter.

Oh, well... I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, your bible quotes don't tell me absolutely anything, all I'm getting is the usual "God exists because the bible says so and the bible is true because the bible says so". I'm not bashing, you're very rational and you didn't turn this into a flame war, I'm grateful for that, some people here should learn from you... *cough*crushmaster*cough* But since it's clear you will just keep arguing based on the bible and I'll just keep arguing based on my own views and ideas this is going nowhere. :P

I don't believe in both,becasue the Heaven and Hell were created by people.we are the master.

I think somebody believe that because of Spiritual comfort

the world is full of kings and queens, who blind your eyes and steal your dreams, its heaven and hell

fool fool

I believe that somebody is out to get me that's for sure. :)nocoolnamejim

:lol:

Good answer. Seriously, that was good.

I ponder this question from time to time, and I want to believe, I do. But I could never be so sure until I die, of course. :P

Does anyone in here believe in reincarnation? Being reborn?

A friend of mine back in middle school told me once that he was afraid to die. Sure, that's natural. Most of us are. He was afraid to die because he was afraid that your soul will be stuck in your body, six feet under. Well, I told him that your body will eventually decompose.. He said, what if you're stuck in your casket forever. I replied, well then you better get cremated.

The concept of Hell is cruel. They say you go to hell, and then you "serve your time" there, and then you're reborn, according to Buddhism. Some say you wont even remember any of that. Everytime you're reborn, you're a clean slate. So, are they saying that before I was reborn that I was probably in hell, for let's say, 2000 years? So I went to hell and back. Reborn again. It's pretty deep stuff. I also read in Buddhism that, even if you did good all your life, but if you had one negative thought before you died, you'll go straight to hell. You just wont serve a longer sentence in hell, as much as people who mostly did bad in their life on earth or whatever planet. It's pretty crazy stuff. I dont know what to believe, so I no longer bother thinking about it. It's no use.

It's pretty crazy stuff. I dont know what to believe, so I no longer bother thinking about it. It's no use.

Elann2008

I agree. Agnosticism FTW! :P

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

I don't think the world (god's creation) proves anything, humans marvel at the perfection and majesty of nature, but just because it seems to be too great to comprehend does not mean the only plausible explanation would be a Master Creator. I think it's far more logical (and even humble) to say that as humans, with all our limitations, we just fail to fully grasp nature's grandeur. Also, everything we see in this world is just the result of chemistry, that's just how elements combine and react together in an environment based primarily on some elements (such as carbon), that is true of all life, including us, it's just a series of chemical reactions. If the conditions were different and life had adapted to use and base itself on other elements, we would see completely different things, but they would be just as marvelous and we would be just as amazed by them.

black_cat19

I see why one would believe that as there was a time in my life I was some odd mix between deist, evolutionist, and Christian. I, however, feel humble in believing God created the heavens and the earth especially tonight as I went through a Bible study on Isaiah 40. I recommend you read it as it shows the awesomeness of God as he created amongst other things.

Just one passage out of that is 21-23, "Do you not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; who brings princes to nothing, and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness."

Take that passage when it says God "who stretches out the heavens like a curtain." I'm sure you realize how incredibly small we are compared to the rest of the universe... how many miles it is to the sun, to the nearest star, to the nearest galexy. To know that God is so incredible that he is able to create and form the universe with such eash is incredibly humbling to myself. I am in awe of my God and creator.

25-26 goes on to say, "To whom then will you compare me, that I should be like him? says the Holy One.Lift up your eyes on high and see: who created these?" To know that God did all of that and without the need of effort is incredible and humbling to myself. I recommend any to read the chapter to look at more that is stated. The fact that it states in verse 29, "He gives power to the faint, and to him who has no might he increases strength." after showing how amazing God is puts me in my place. I am nothing in comparison to God but he loves me regardless.

----------------

In regards to what you say about chemistry, I realize the Bible is not an exhaustive science text book but I do believe many things can be gained from what is stated within the Bible. Just an example being that man was created in Genesis by means of the "dust of the earth." Basically man was created using common elements like carbon. This does not contradict what science teaches us.

What you see as "miracles" of nature I see as showing the intelligence of God.

----------------

But wouldn't that be admiting that the big bang and all the other different theories on the beginning of the universe and the origin of life on earth are true? I mean, according to you, those scientific theories are half-truths shown to us by Satan, but what he's telling us IS true, he's just taking god out of it, thus making it half-true, so wouldn't that mean that those theories are correct, and everything comes from the big bang, except it was God that set everything in motion?

black_cat19

I do not admit the Big Bang to be true (though I am not saying there is no chance of it being true). I simply mean Satan is the "father of lies" and knows how to trick humanity. He did so in the garden in saying "Did God really say...?" and in the wilderness with Jesus.

I personally hold a young earth view of Creation (about 10,000 year old creation) but I do not deny that I could be wrong. I've changed my views in the past and could do so in the future. I do not claim to know everything (as only God does) and will admit such. Based upon what I've learned from countless scientists (not only articles read but met in person) and what I believe the Bible to state is where I get my view of the age of the earth from.

There seems to be this slider scale with science in one side and an extremely literal view of the Bible in the other. I hold that genres of the Bible determine whether a passage is literal or not and I personally believe Genesis to have a genre with literal tendencies. Many hold a different view than I but that isn't what truly matters. Faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ is what truly matters.

Humanity is fallible and I will question anything that has been taught to me, I just simply believe the evidence points towards Christianity being true. I'm not stating truth to be relative but I do believe finding that truth isn't as simple as listening to a high school science teacher or reading a book by Richard Dawkins.

--Moral to the story: do not let the age of the earth debate stop you from following Christ.

Edit: If there are any responses I'm sorry but I've got to go to bed for the night. I'll respond if need be when I get the chance however. ..or you could just send me a message. Doesn't matter.

Oh, well... I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, your bible quotes don't tell me absolutely anything, all I'm getting is the usual "God exists because the bible says so and the bible is true because the bible says so". I'm not bashing, you're very rational and you didn't turn this into a flame war, I'm grateful for that, some people here should learn from you... *cough*crushmaster*cough* But since it's clear you will just keep arguing based on the bible and I'll just keep arguing based on my own views and ideas this is going nowhere. :P

I'm sorry I couldn't say something simple that would give you what you were searching for. Do not quit seeking however as those who seek, find as Proverbs 8:17 state, "I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me." I'm not saying the initial step isn't a leap of faith of sorts like that of Simon Peter stepping out of the boat into the water but once you do take that first step, you might be surprised in what you find.

I do appreciate what you said btw. I'll pray you find what you seek.

...some people here should learn from you... *cough*crushmaster*cough*...

black_cat19

Hah, that was low. :P

No I don't believe in hell. I stopped believing in fairyworlds with little red men with horns a long time ago.felixlynch777

How about heaven? Do you believe in Heaven?

[QUOTE="felixlynch777"]No I don't believe in hell. I stopped believing in fairyworlds with little red men with horns a long time ago.Elann2008

No I don't believe in worlds occupied by people with wings real as well.

How about heaven? Do you believe in Heaven?

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="felixlynch777"]No I don't believe in hell. I stopped believing in fairyworlds with little red men with horns a long time ago.felixlynch777

No I don't believe in worlds occupied by people with wings real as well.

How about heaven? Do you believe in Heaven?

Your sig said it all.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]No, because I outgrew my weakness of believing in fantasies shortly after puberty.Persecuted_1

Are you trying to offend people? That kind of remark can easily get you modded.

What was offensive? I was just saying how I feel. Damn, so I can't even express myself? America is dying. We've become of nation of sensitive crybabies who habitually, and purposely, take offense to anything that might offend even one person. Everyone is playing thought police these days I've noticed. How about people just develop some tougher skin? It'll be good for all of us.

You are trolling.

You came into this thread and made your first post with the intention of provoking and aggravating other users, yet when somebody calls you out on this, you play the martyr.

You can state your opinions without being aggravating, if you still wish to do so, then don't be surprised when consequences follow.

You are trolling.

You came into this thread and made your first post with the intention of provoking and aggravating other users, yet when somebody calls you out on this, you play the martyr.

You can state your opinions without being aggravating, if you still wish to do so, then don't be surprised when consequences follow.

MetalGear_Ninty

:cry:

Please. :roll:

No, im very anti-religious

man so many 'god' and 'hell' topics >_>