Do you believe in miracles?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]what do you mean i thought nobody knows how the human body was created.FPSunionOWNS

science textbooks tell you how the body works it says nothing about in this year this happend and the human race was created.FPSunionOWNS

yes but i on the other hand had several supernatural expireriences.FPSunionOWNS

Elaborate.

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]what do you mean i thought nobody knows how the human body was created.DeeJayInphinity

Miracles do exist. I have no doubt about that. I have seen some things that defy all laws of science, and no rational explanation can ever be made to explain them. I do believe that God performs miracles all the time. Some choose to thank him, others are too proud and try to find some excuse instead.Redneck33

im in 9th grade what grade do you learn from "this book"FPSunionOWNS

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yes but i on the other hand had several supernatural expireriences.Shad0ki11

Elaborate.

science textbooks tell you how the body works it says nothing about in this year this happend and the human race was created.FPSunionOWNS

This is George W. Bush as a baby:

This is George W. Bush as an adult:

Can you tell me precisely when the first picture turned into the second picture?

The answer, of course, is that you can't, because it was a gradual process over many years. The same can be said for evolution; there is no one single point in time when, bam, a human pops out of nowhere.

im in 9th grade what grade do you learn from "this book"FPSunionOWNS

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]

yes but i on the other hand had several supernatural expireriences.FPSunionOWNS

Elaborate.

How good is your vision when the lights are out?

Miracles do exist. I have no doubt about that. I have seen some things that defy all laws of science, and no rational explanation can ever be made to explain them. I do believe that God performs miracles all the time. Some choose to thank him, others are too proud and try to find some excuse instead.Redneck33

You're treading dangerous territory there, because that's quite clearly god-of-the-gaps territory where anything currently unexplainable is ascribed to God. The fact of the matter is that people have been crediting God with tons of things in the past that have been shown to have perfectly natural explanations. Each time a new explanation is found, the gaps that allow the presence of God get smaller and smaller.

It's much better to find a belief in God based on something other than a simple lack of understanding, really.

[QUOTE="Redneck33"]Miracles do exist. I have no doubt about that. I have seen some things that defy all laws of science, and no rational explanation can ever be made to explain them. I do believe that God performs miracles all the time. Some choose to thank him, others are too proud and try to find some excuse instead.GabuEx

You're treading dangerous territory there, because that's quite clearly god-of-the-gaps territory where anything currently unexplainable is ascribed to God. The fact of the matter is that people have been crediting God with tons of things in the past that have been shown to have perfectly natural explanations. Each time a new explanation is found, the gaps that allow the presence of God get smaller and smaller.

It's much better to find a belief in God based on something other than a simple lack of understanding, really.

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[QUOTE="Redneck33"]Miracles do exist. I have no doubt about that. I have seen some things that defy all laws of science, and no rational explanation can ever be made to explain them. I do believe that God performs miracles all the time. Some choose to thank him, others are too proud and try to find some excuse instead.DeeJayInphinity

You're treading dangerous territory there, because that's quite clearly god-of-the-gaps territory where anything currently unexplainable is ascribed to God. The fact of the matter is that people have been crediting God with tons of things in the past that have been shown to have perfectly natural explanations. Each time a new explanation is found, the gaps that allow the presence of God get smaller and smaller.

It's much better to find a belief in God based on something other than a simple lack of understanding, really.

First of all DeeJayInphinity, you do not know what I am thinking :|. I am exceptionally laid back on most issues, but when people try to guess what I am thinking, it gets me quite upset. Do not be too quick to judge:x.

Secondly, I guess I should of said science cannot explain it as of now. I cannot predict the future, so maybe in 1000 years they may come up with an explanation, but I wont live that long, so my explanation is the only rational one as of now.

First of all DeeJayInphinity, you do not know what I am thinking :|. I am exceptionally laid back on most issues, but when people try to guess what I am thinking, it gets me quite upset. Do not be too quick to judge:x.

Secondly, I guess I should of said science cannot explain it as of now. I cannot predict the future, so maybe in 1000 years they may come up with an explanation, but I wont live that long, so my explanation is the only rational one as of now.

Redneck33

Yes, i do believe it.

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First of all DeeJayInphinity, you do not know what I am thinking :|. I am exceptionally laid back on most issues, but when people try to guess what I am thinking, it gets me quite upset. Do not be too quick to judge:x.

Secondly, I guess I should of said science cannot explain it as of now. I cannot predict the future, so maybe in 1000 years they may come up with an explanation, but I wont live that long, so my explanation is the only rational one as of now.

DeeJayInphinity

Yes, but you have to agree the way you came off was pretty stuck-up. You have read just one post of mine and already have come to the conclusion that I am too stuck in my ways and will not except another answer.

Secondly, Science cant explain it, even after 1000s of years. The chance of it being explained in the future is such a minute chance that I might as well say that it will never be explained.

First of all DeeJayInphinity, you do not know what I am thinking :|. I am exceptionally laid back on most issues, but when people try to guess what I am thinking, it gets me quite upset. Do not be too quick to judge:x.

Secondly, I guess I should of said science cannot explain it as of now. I cannot predict the future, so maybe in 1000 years they may come up with an explanation, but I wont live that long, so my explanation is the only rational one as of now.

Redneck33

But don't you see anything wrong with that? For centuries, one group of people persistently go, "Science can't explain this, so God did it!" and then, sure enough, scientists get to the point where they can satisfactorially explain it, and God gets pushed out of that gap. And on and on it goes; the more knowledge we obtain, the less room there is for God if this is how we treat him. People really ought to learn from history that the mere fact that there is no current known natural explanation does not mean that one does not exist.

Personally, I find it downright insulting towards God, if God does exist, to treat him as nothing more than temporary filler until a better explanation comes along. Dietrich Bonhoffer once said, "We are to find God in what we know, not in what we don't know." The one thing that science does not even attempt to explain is why things are the way they are - it says how things are, but never what the purpose or method to the madness is (if there is any such thing, of course). It's in questions like that that one ought to find God, not in human ignorance.

Secondly, Science cant explain it, even after 1000s of years. The chance of it being explained in the future is such a minute chance that I might as well say that it will never be explained.

Redneck33

For almost four hundred years, Fermat's Last Theorem completely and utterly eluded proof - it was first written down in 1637, and it took humans until 1993 to finally actually solve that puzzle. The lesson here? That it can take a long, long time, but if there's anything that history can tell us, it's that humans are a remarkably persistant bunch.

But don't you see anything wrong with that? For centuries, one group of people persistently go, "Science can't explain this, so God did it!" and then, sure enough, scientists get to the point where they can satisfactorially explain it, and God gets pushed out of that gap. And on and on it goes; the more knowledge we obtain, the less room there is for God if this is how we treat him. People really ought to learn from history that the mere fact that there is no current known natural explanation does not mean that one does not exist.

Personally, I find it downright insulting towards God, if God does exist, to treat him as nothing more than temporary filler until a better explanation comes along. Dietrich Bonhoffer once said, "We are to find God in what we know, not in what we don't know." The one thing that science does not even attempt to explain is why things are the way they are - it says how things are, but never what the purpose or method to the madness is (if there is any such thing, of course). It's in questions like that that one ought to find God, not in human ignorance.

GabuEx

I never really thought of it that way before :?. But I didn't mean any disrespect towards God though, as I do not feel that I am using him as a filler. I think we have come near the point in science were some things cannot be explained without one of the many laws of physics being wrong, which means that then once they find out the right theory, it will reopen the holes that the old theory covered. It seems like there has to be a point where science cannot explain anymore without defying its own laws (I hope you can understand what I just said, because I have a strange feeling that I am not making much sense).

For almost four hundred years, Fermat's Last Theorem completely and utterly eluded proof - it was first written down in 1637, and it took humans until 1993 to finally actually solve that puzzle. The lesson here? That it can take a long, long time, but if there's anything that history can tell us, it's that humans are a remarkably persistant bunch.

GabuEx

Interesting read, but what I am wondering is where you guys get all this stuff from. This seems like random knowledge that nobody should know, yet many people on off-topic seem to be able to pull up all this obscure facts out of nowhere:P.

Yes, but you have to agree the way you came off was pretty stuck-up. You have read just one post of mine and already have come to the conclusion that I am too stuck in my ways and will not except another answer.

Secondly, Science cant explain it, even after 1000s of years. The chance of it being explained in the future is such a minute chance that I might as well say that it will never be explained.

Redneck33

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Yes, but you have to agree the way you came off was pretty stuck-up. You have read just one post of mine and already have come to the conclusion that I am too stuck in my ways and will not except another answer.

Secondly, Science cant explain it, even after 1000s of years. The chance of it being explained in the future is such a minute chance that I might as well say that it will never be explained.

DeeJayInphinity

Yet you still say you aren't coming off as stuck-up:roll:.

I do not know every part of science, which is why my family had experts in the subject look at it. You are jumping to the conclusion that I somehow knew that the miracle was automatically a work from God. I didn't believe it at first, but when experts where saying that what happened was theoretically impossible, I started thinking it may be an act of God. You are judging my level of open-mindedness by making false accusations. If I was close-minded, then I wouldn't have searched for other answers. You just assumed that I blindly came up with the answers.

Me and you obviously do not agree, but hostility is not going to make me appreciate your opinion more. We both see the same things in life. You decided to go with one excuse, I decided to go with another. We apparently both believe our excuse is the correct one, but only time will tell, and before then, we both can't prove the other wrong.

Believing in ghosts is believing in the occult. If you are a devout Christian, you are shooting yourself in the foot. :PShad0ki11

That wasn't for me, but I tell you if one believes in God, also believes that Satan exists. That said, the most of the "occult" stuff that "happens" is just hoax.

Yet you still say you aren't coming off as stuck-up:roll:.

Redneck33

I do not know every part of science, which is why my family had experts in the subject look at it. Redneck33

You are jumping to the conclusion that I somehow knew that the miracle was automatically a work from God. Redneck33

You are judging my level of open-mindedness by making false accusations. Redneck33

You just assumed that I blindly came up with the answers.Redneck33

Me and you obviously do not agree, but hostility is not going to make me appreciate your opinion more.Redneck33

We both see the same things in life. You decided to go with one excuse, I decided to go with another. We apparently both believe our excuse is the correct one, but only time will tell, and before then, we both can't prove the other wrong.

Redneck33

Not me. Miracles are supposed to be acts of God, aren't they? So why does He pick and chose who recieves miracles and who doesn't? I may not be able to explain certain "miracles" scientifically, but I do know just from the sheer fact that a "loving father" wouldn't be so incosiderate to show favoritism that miracles just don't exist. As for anyone who says, "God works in mysterious ways," I've also viewed that line to be nothing more than a cop out that says, "I have no idea how to explain what just happened".JustPlainLucas

Yes I do believe in miracles. God has the right to show more grace on some than others simply for the fact he is God. That isn't to say miracles do not happen in everyone's life however. Exodus 33:19 says, "And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."

Yes I do believe in miracles. God has the right to show more grace on some than others simply for the fact he is God. That isn't to say miracles do not happen in everyone's life however. Exodus 33:19 says, "And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."mindstorm

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Not me. Miracles are supposed to be acts of God, aren't they? So why does He pick and chose who recieves miracles and who doesn't? I may not be able to explain certain "miracles" scientifically, but I do know just from the sheer fact that a "loving father" wouldn't be so incosiderate to show favoritism that miracles just don't exist. As for anyone who says, "God works in mysterious ways," I've also viewed that line to be nothing more than a cop out that says, "I have no idea how to explain what just happened".mindstorm

Yes I do believe in miracles. God has the right to show more grace on some than others simply for the fact he is God. That isn't to say miracles do not happen in everyone's life however. Exodus 33:19 says, "And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."

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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Not me. Miracles are supposed to be acts of God, aren't they? So why does He pick and chose who recieves miracles and who doesn't? I may not be able to explain certain "miracles" scientifically, but I do know just from the sheer fact that a "loving father" wouldn't be so incosiderate to show favoritism that miracles just don't exist. As for anyone who says, "God works in mysterious ways," I've also viewed that line to be nothing more than a cop out that says, "I have no idea how to explain what just happened".DJ_Novakain

Yes I do believe in miracles. God has the right to show more grace on some than others simply for the fact he is God. That isn't to say miracles do not happen in everyone's life however. Exodus 33:19 says, "And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."

God does not need to make excuses for his actions. :? He simply does what he knows would be best in the end.

I don't see the harm in believing. Humans believe in anything so why not miracles too? Not many humans will actually venture into absolute research for the truth; Physically travel and physically confirm a fact is not something the masses do. Many rather and find it easier to go with hearsay, and rely on other humans (often filtered) views to control their everyday lives. Controlled learning environments and Media will make humans believe anything. Few really know whats real or not... for all you know you could be in a large black garbage bag and all those so called stars you claim you see in the sky are just holes in the bag....a garbage bag sitting in a garbage dump amongst other garbage bags. You believe this is not true because you are told it's not...hmm. Humans need to stop slapping each other with facts they got from other humans. What you believe is credible to you might not be to others... So when great things happens to a person in their life it's OK for them to find comfort in calling it a miracle.

Believe in something or fall for anything.....just practice righteousness and you'll see just how beautiful life can be. You are only here for a second in the infinite time. Humans as a whole might become an extinct specie; demise is in their hands. It'll be a pitiful waste if it happens by suicide. I hope the younger ones learn fast and make things right before it's too late. The elders seem to be content with things because they are soon to be retired souls...maybe they just want to be comfortable on their way out I suppose.

Faith is when the jinn inflicts doubt but you prevail with trust and instincts. Wanting something strong enough will in time materialize... but only in good faith. Lack of spiritual awareness, belief, knowledge and the understanding of stardust and it's unique manifestation science will hinder your natural desires ( happiness). Humans like to doubt each other and live in hypocrisy and pain, and they wonder why good times elude them. The connection between thought and the physical is one. Love is powerful yet a dangerous fuel if not handle with care. Matter is nothing but vibration experienced at various frequencies and your thoughts will set you free or imprison you for life.

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