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#1 felixlynch777
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I think this is a interesting topic that hasn't been explored much.

I would have to say answer 3.

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#2 MissRiotmaker
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No.
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#3 cpo335
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Yes. But only if you kill 3+ people. Anything below that is just worth a life sentence.
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#4 famicommander
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No. I do believe that some people deserve death, but I don't trust the government to make that decision. It's also more costly than letting prisoners sit in prison for life. It's just not practical in any way.
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#5 tzar3
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Some people deserve to die, period. Not all life should be sacred, especially for criminals that have done some real nasty stuff.
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#6 freshgman
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Yes. But only if you kill 3+ people. Anything below that is just worth a life sentence.cpo335

Yeah something along those lines

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#7 Riverspirit
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Depends on the situation. Domestic, child, sexual, mental, emotional, and any other type of abuser, will be pummeled and beaten in the prison. Even inmates know that is unjustifiable. But if the person murdered numerous people, all of which were not "innocent" victims, then life or the death penalty.
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#8 deactivated-583e5f64e0a7e
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Yes, however the current process for it is a joke.
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#9 KaptainKernal
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No. I do believe that some people deserve death, but I don't trust the government to make that decision. It's also more costly than letting prisoners sit in prison for life. It's just not practical in any way.famicommander

How is it more costly? A couple bucks worth of some mass produced toxin or three hots and a cot for life.

You do the math.

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#10 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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i beleive that if you take the life of another you deserve to die... its inexcusible
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#11 cpo335
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Depends on the situation. Domestic, child, sexual, mental, emotional, and any other type of abuser, will be pummeled and beaten in the prison. Even inmates know that is unjustifiable. But if the person murdered numerous people, all of which were not "innocent" victims, then life or the death penalty.Riverspirit
What's that supposed to mean?
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#12 famicommander
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[QUOTE="famicommander"]No. I do believe that some people deserve death, but I don't trust the government to make that decision. It's also more costly than letting prisoners sit in prison for life. It's just not practical in any way.KaptainKernal

How is it more costly? A couple bucks worth of some mass produced toxin or three hots and a cot for life.

You do the math.

The cost of keeping someone on death row is immense. You're forgetting the appeals process, and the cost that each appeal places on the public in the form of court costs and public defenders.
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No. I do believe that some people deserve death, but I don't trust the government to make that decision. It's also more costly than letting prisoners sit in prison for life. It's just not practical in any way.famicommander

I guess it's good the government currently doesn't make the decision in almost all cases then.

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#14 WildstarGoethe
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I would lean toward choice number 3. The legal system in the US is far too leniant in my opinion. We should not have to help pay for the incarcerated stay of someone who has murdered in cold blood, or raped and/or killed children. There would be a lot less crime if our legal system were not infected with money-grubbing ACLU lawyers who defend these subhumans. People who commit these crimes do not belong to the human race and neither do the people that defend them. That's just my opinion.
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[QUOTE="famicommander"]No. I do believe that some people deserve death, but I don't trust the government to make that decision. It's also more costly than letting prisoners sit in prison for life. It's just not practical in any way.LukeAF24

I guess it's good the government currently doesn't make the decision in almost all cases then.

No, but they do set up the guidelines and the processes.
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#16 cpo335
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[QUOTE="LukeAF24"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]No. I do believe that some people deserve death, but I don't trust the government to make that decision. It's also more costly than letting prisoners sit in prison for life. It's just not practical in any way.famicommander

I guess it's good the government currently doesn't make the decision in almost all cases then.

No, but they do set up the guidelines and the processes.

What's that supposed to mean? Do you know what a jury is?
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#17 darkfox101
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Yes.
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#18 darkfox101
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[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="LukeAF24"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]No. I do believe that some people deserve death, but I don't trust the government to make that decision. It's also more costly than letting prisoners sit in prison for life. It's just not practical in any way.cpo335

I guess it's good the government currently doesn't make the decision in almost all cases then.

No, but they do set up the guidelines and the processes.

What's that supposed to mean? Do you know what a jury is?

Maybe hes watched to much TV with the whole "Government" thing does this this this and is pure 100% axis of EVIL.
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#19 famicommander
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[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="LukeAF24"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]No. I do believe that some people deserve death, but I don't trust the government to make that decision. It's also more costly than letting prisoners sit in prison for life. It's just not practical in any way.cpo335

I guess it's good the government currently doesn't make the decision in almost all cases then.

No, but they do set up the guidelines and the processes.

What's that supposed to mean? Do you know what a jury is?

Yes, I do know what a jury is. And I also know that the government sets up our court system, and that they decide which crimes are worthy of a death penalty. The jury only decides whether or not to use the penalty.
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#20 famicommander
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[QUOTE="darkfox101"] Maybe hes watched to much TV with the whole "Government" thing does this this this and is pure 100% axis of EVIL.

No, I'm not another one of those basement conspiracy theorists. I just don't like the way that our legal system is set up in general.
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#21 Bloodaxe726
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The death penalty should be used, and lawsuits over it shouldn't even be looked at, that's why giving someone the death penalty is more expensive than giving them life after all.
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#22 KaptainKernal
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[QUOTE="KaptainKernal"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]No. I do believe that some people deserve death, but I don't trust the government to make that decision. It's also more costly than letting prisoners sit in prison for life. It's just not practical in any way.famicommander

How is it more costly? A couple bucks worth of some mass produced toxin or three hots and a cot for life.

You do the math.

The cost of keeping someone on death row is immense. You're forgetting the appeals process, and the cost that each appeal places on the public in the form of court costs and public defenders.

Texas doesn't seem to have a problem with that. :P rofl, but I understand the cost of the appeals, but just sitting on death row should be no more expensive then any other inmate, besides the cost of whatever they want to eat before they die.

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#23 Norg
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Yes are more people will be put do death in the near future becasue Prisons cost to much money to run
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#24 famicommander
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The death penalty should be used, and lawsuits over it shouldn't even be looked at, that's why giving someone the death penalty is more expensive than giving them life after all.Bloodaxe726
Without the appeals process, many more innocent people would be put to death.
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I don't believe in it at all.
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[QUOTE="Riverspirit"]Depends on the situation. Domestic, child, sexual, mental, emotional, and any other type of abuser, will be pummeled and beaten in the prison. Even inmates know that is unjustifiable. But if the person murdered numerous people, all of which were not "innocent" victims, then life or the death penalty.cpo335
What's that supposed to mean?

It depends on the actual crime. Let's say Man#1 saw that Man#2 was cheating on Man#1's wife. So Man#1 confronts him, and kills him. A simple scenario, now, let's say that Woman#1, Man#1's wife, is also killed, out of his frustration towards her. So Man#1 kills both Man#2 and Woman#1. A double homicide. Should he get life in prison, or should he get the death sentence? Depends on what you consider more justifiable.

I believe, in a different scenario, that if Man#1 was sexually abusing Child#1 and Woman#1, then he should have life in prison, where he will more than likely be beaten to a pulp, a deserving punishment in my eyes.

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#27 ProudLarry
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No. The legal system will always be imperfect, and there is always the chance that you could be killing an innocent person. Its not worth that risk.
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#28 MissRiotmaker
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Nobody has the right to kill another human being.
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#29 fastesttruck
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Yes. I say kill em dead if they are going to add more evil to this world
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Nobody has the right to kill another human being. MissRiotmaker

Oh? Why not?

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#31 Crunchman
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Capital punishment mean that those without the 'capital' get the 'punishment'.

You'll never see a rich guy get the death penalty in the United States. It tends to target the people who can't afford good legal counsel, and they suffer because of it.

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#32 PannicAtack
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No. Not unless you can 100% prove that the person to be executed is guilty, with no chance of doubt. Which, in many cases, is virtually impossible.

So no. >_>

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#33 cpo335
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Capital punishment mean that those without the 'capital' get the 'punishment'.

You'll never see a rich guy get the death penalty in the United States. It tends to target the people who can't afford good legal counsel, and they suffer because of it.

JLuke360
But then again, what is the percent of rich people who actually commit crimes worthy of the death pentaly?
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[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] Nobody has the right to kill another human being. tzar3

Oh? Why not?

Regardless of motives, you're still a murderer. Whether you're the criminal, the victim or the government. You kill someone you are a murderer.
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#35 cpo335
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[QUOTE="tzar3"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] Nobody has the right to kill another human being. MissRiotmaker

Oh? Why not?

Regardless of motives, you're still a murderer. Whether you're the criminal, the victim or the government. You kill someone you are a murderer.

Exactly, but that doesn't prove why nobody has the right to kill another human?
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Definately. I see nothing wrong with it.

I don't think it exists in Canada, though.

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Definately. I see nothing wrong with it.

I don't think it exists in Canada, though.

dracula_16
The possibility of killing an innocent person doesn't bother you?
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#38 tzar3
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[QUOTE="tzar3"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] Nobody has the right to kill another human being. MissRiotmaker

Oh? Why not?

Regardless of motives, you're still a murderer. Whether you're the criminal, the victim or the government. You kill someone you are a murderer.

I suppose so, but in one way not really. Since you are purifying a threat to society or perhaps the world. Ands thats good enough for me.

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[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="tzar3"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] Nobody has the right to kill another human being. tzar3

Oh? Why not?

Regardless of motives, you're still a murderer. Whether you're the criminal, the victim or the government. You kill someone you are a murderer.

I suppose so, but in one way not really. Since you are purifying a threat to society or perhaps the world. Ands thats good enough for me.

But can we humans really make that judgement, of who does or doesn't deserve to die?
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Definately. I see nothing wrong with it.

I don't think it exists in Canada, though.

ProudLarry

The possibility of killing an innocent person doesn't bother you?

It would have to be proven that he/she did something so vile to deserve it. That's how I see it. If there's enough evidence to conclude without a doubt that a person did something related to mass murder, rape or stuff like that then they should die. I have no sympathy for evil people like that.

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[QUOTE="JLuke360"]

Capital punishment mean that those without the 'capital' get the 'punishment'.

You'll never see a rich guy get the death penalty in the United States. It tends to target the people who can't afford good legal counsel, and they suffer because of it.

cpo335

But then again, what is the percent of rich people who actually commit crimes worthy of the death pentaly?

That's really shouldn't be a factor though. When you propose the death penalty it shouldn't discriminate at all, and even then, we live in a world full of uncertainty. Yes, what you say may be true, but a lot of things are circumstantial, and since that's the case, we shouldn't have capital punishment as an option.

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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

Definately. I see nothing wrong with it.

I don't think it exists in Canada, though.

dracula_16

The possibility of killing an innocent person doesn't bother you?

It would have to be proven that he/she did something so vile to deserve it. That's how I see it. If there's enough evidence to conclude without a doubt that a person did something related to mass murder, rape or stuff like that then they should die. I have no sympathy for evil people like that.

But you see, there's that slight problem where you really can't completely prove guilt, without a shred of doubt. Evidence can be falsified, witnesses can lie. Jail, perhaps, but risking the life of an innocent for an imaginary 'deterrent,' I don't think is justified.
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#43 WildstarGoethe
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Nobody has the right to kill another human being. MissRiotmaker

What if someone breaks into your home and is trying to kill your wife or husband and or children? Are you telling me you should just sit there without defending yourself and your family? If so, and I mean no offense, that is literally insane. Sometimes it is necessary, as a last resort, to defend yourself and your family. If you kill someone defending yourself or your family, that is not murder. Sometimes, in dire circumstances, it is necessary to protect the greater health and welfare of others by killing in self- defense.

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[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] Nobody has the right to kill another human being. WildstarGoethe

What if someone breaks into your home and is trying to kill your wife or husband and or children? Are you telling me you should just sit there without defending yourself and your family? If so, and I mean no offense, that is literally insane. Sometimes it is necessary, as a last resort, to defend yourself and your family. If you kill someone defending yourself or your family, that is not murder. Sometimes, in dire circumstances, it is necessary to protect the greater health and welfare of others by killing in self- defense.

I prefer the 'what is' to the 'what if.'
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[QUOTE="tzar3"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="tzar3"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] Nobody has the right to kill another human being. PannicAtack

Oh? Why not?

Regardless of motives, you're still a murderer. Whether you're the criminal, the victim or the government. You kill someone you are a murderer.

I suppose so, but in one way not really. Since you are purifying a threat to society or perhaps the world. Ands thats good enough for me.

But can we humans really make that judgement, of who does or doesn't deserve to die?

I dont know, but I like that idea, when they strung up Hussien in my opinion, that was a good thing, bastard did all kinds of horrible **** towards people such has gassing the kurds.

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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

Definately. I see nothing wrong with it.

I don't think it exists in Canada, though.

dracula_16

The possibility of killing an innocent person doesn't bother you?

It would have to be proven that he/she did something so vile to deserve it. That's how I see it. If there's enough evidence to conclude without a doubt that a person did something related to mass murder, rape or stuff like that then they should die. I have no sympathy for evil people like that.

But that's rarely if ever possible. Especially when it comes to human judgment, which is all we have to go on. We know, for a fact, that innocent people have been executed for crimes they didn't commit (see Sacco & Vanzetti). Is it really worth the death of one innocent person to have even a thousand evil persons put to death?
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[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="tzar3"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] Nobody has the right to kill another human being. tzar3

Oh? Why not?

Regardless of motives, you're still a murderer. Whether you're the criminal, the victim or the government. You kill someone you are a murderer.

I suppose so, but in one way not really. Since you are purifying a threat to society or perhaps the world. Ands thats good enough for me.

Lifetime in prison. Death only brings them peace, let them live the rest of their life in a reminder of the crimes they committed.
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[QUOTE="tzar3"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="tzar3"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] Nobody has the right to kill another human being. MissRiotmaker

Oh? Why not?

Regardless of motives, you're still a murderer. Whether you're the criminal, the victim or the government. You kill someone you are a murderer.

I suppose so, but in one way not really. Since you are purifying a threat to society or perhaps the world. Ands thats good enough for me.

Lifetime in prison. Death only brings them peace, let them live the rest of their life in a reminder of the crimes they committed.

I suppose they can get sodomized but thats not good enough, plus the prisons are getting full anyways so we might as well dispose of them instead or torture.

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="tzar3"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="tzar3"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] Nobody has the right to kill another human being. tzar3

Oh? Why not?

Regardless of motives, you're still a murderer. Whether you're the criminal, the victim or the government. You kill someone you are a murderer.

I suppose so, but in one way not really. Since you are purifying a threat to society or perhaps the world. Ands thats good enough for me.

But can we humans really make that judgement, of who does or doesn't deserve to die?

I dont know, but I like that idea, when they strung up Hussien in my opinion, that was a good thing, bastard did all kinds of horrible **** towards people such has gassing the kurds.

But, what does that solve? It's not like he would've had the opportunity to do it again. Why should we cross the same line?

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#50 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="tzar3"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="tzar3"]

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] Nobody has the right to kill another human being. tzar3

Oh? Why not?

Regardless of motives, you're still a murderer. Whether you're the criminal, the victim or the government. You kill someone you are a murderer.

I suppose so, but in one way not really. Since you are purifying a threat to society or perhaps the world. Ands thats good enough for me.

Lifetime in prison. Death only brings them peace, let them live the rest of their life in a reminder of the crimes they committed.

I suppose they can get sodomized but thats not good enough, plus the prisons are getting full anyways so we might as well dispose of them instead or torture.

You'll find that people do get killed by other prisoners. Particularly child rapists.

Can't do that. Eigth Amendment.