Do you believe same sex marriage is okay?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Actually it is. . .

Theokhoth

Why should gay marriage be legal?

Its a means of showing your love to the significant other and also to gain some priviliges.

No person should be stripped away from those two opportunities if they wish to have them. And thats because we have equal rights.

Therefore gay marriage should be legal.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

That's also a moral argument.

Aren't morals just wonderful things? :D

Dark_Knight6

I actually see it as more of a common sense argument. Which we same to lack at a humorous level in America.

Everybody views moral arguments as common sense arguments. Someone once said, if the law contradicts common sense, the law is wrong; well, the law is always wrong, then.:P

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Its not an argument. Its an opinion. A simple premise. An argument is a logical following of premises.

Teenaged

Why should gay marriage be legal?

Its a means of showing your love to the significant other and also to gain some priviliges.

No person should be stripped way from those two opportunities if they wish to have them. And thats because we have equal rights.

Therefore gay marriage should be legal.

The red is a moral statement. Why not? Maybe some people are better than they are and they simply don't deserve any rights.

(PLEASE note the massive amounts of Devil's Advocate here)

I'm speaking only about personal opinions, not about what the law should say. You could legalize gay marriage at the federal level (which I would approve of), but what if pastors/priests by-and-large didn't want to marry homosexual couples? But the couple wanted to really get married, not simply be bound to eachother by law in a courthouse or something. Would you force those pastors to marry homosexuals?fidosim

I don't believe they should be forced to marry anyone that don't want to. And in all honesty, why would a gay couple wish to be married at a church that hates them? There are gay friendly churches out there. Or they could by-pass the church all together and just do it through the state.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Its not an argument. Its an opinion. A simple premise. An argument is a logical following of premises.

Teenaged

Why should gay marriage be legal?

Its a means of showing your love to the significant other and also to gain some priviliges.

No person should be stripped away from those two opportunities if they wish to have them. And thats because we have equal rights.

Therefore gay marriage should be legal.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Why should gay marriage be legal?

Theokhoth

Its a means of showing your love to the significant other and also to gain some priviliges.

No person should be stripped way from those two opportunities if they wish to have them. And thats because we have equal rights.

Therefore gay marriage should be legal.

The red is a moral statement. Why not? Maybe some people are better than they are and they simply don't deserve any rights.

(PLEASE note the massive amounts of Devil's Advocate here)

Besides I never objected moral statements being part of an argument as long as they make sense.

The red is a moral statement. Why not? Maybe some people are better than they are and they simply don't deserve any rights.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] The only argument you really need against gay marriage is that you think it's morally wrong.fidosim

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Why should gay marriage be legal?

LJS9502_basic

Its a means of showing your love to the significant other and also to gain some priviliges.

No person should be stripped away from those two opportunities if they wish to have them. And thats because we have equal rights.

Therefore gay marriage should be legal.

Besides to my perception most people agree that marriage should be the result of love.

Marriage is a ceremony done by the majority of people.

Its a means of showing your love to the significant other and also to gain some priviliges.

No person should be stripped away from those two opportunities if they wish to have them. And thats because we have equal rights.

Therefore gay marriage should be legal.

Teenaged

The problem is, this is America we're speaking about. The very country where African Americans did not see equal rights in until several hundred years after its formation. We don't seem to be very fond of the whole "equal rights" thing.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Marriage is a ceremony done by the majority of people.

Its a means of showing your love to the significant other and also to gain some priviliges.

No person should be stripped way from those two opportunities if they wish to have them. And thats because we have equal rights.

Therefore gay marriage should be legal.

Teenaged

The red is a moral statement. Why not? Maybe some people are better than they are and they simply don't deserve any rights.

(PLEASE note the massive amounts of Devil's Advocate here)

Besides I never objected moral statements being part of an argument as long as they make sense.

The issue with "making sense" is that "sense" is a matter of perspective; you're not going to think the belief that the Earth is flat makes any sense but someone holding that belief will have no issue making sense of it whatsoever.

My whole point with all of this is people are too quick to reject a position simply because it's a moralistic one; ALL positions are moralistic ones once they're examined. Nobody believes something unless they believe that that something should be how it is, and the very addition of the word "should" necessitates a moral position.

I feel it's OK,... disgusting but OK.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The red is a moral statement. Why not? Maybe some people are better than they are and they simply don't deserve any rights.

Hewkii

Sure. The right to live is for people. What makes them people?

(Again, very high levels of Devil's Advocate here)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Marriage is a ceremony done by the majority of people.

Its a means of showing your love to the significant other and also to gain some priviliges.

No person should be stripped away from those two opportunities if they wish to have them. And thats because we have equal rights.

Therefore gay marriage should be legal.

Teenaged

Besides to my perception most people agree that marriage should be the result of love.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] The only argument you really need against gay marriage is that you think it's morally wrong.fidosim

Which is great and all but the morals of others shouldn't decide which minority groups receive rights.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The red is a moral statement. Why not? Maybe some people are better than they are and they simply don't deserve any rights.

(PLEASE note the massive amounts of Devil's Advocate here)

Theokhoth

Besides I never objected moral statements being part of an argument as long as they make sense.

The issue with "making sense" is that "sense" is a matter of perspective; you're not going to think the belief that the Earth is flat makes any sense but someone holding that belief will have no issue making sense of it whatsoever.

My whole point with all of this is people are too quick to reject a position simply because it's a moralistic one; ALL positions are moralistic ones once they're examined. Nobody believes something unless they believe that that something should be how it is, and the very addition of the word "should" necessitates a moral position.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The red is a moral statement. Why not? Maybe some people are better than they are and they simply don't deserve any rights.

Theokhoth

Sure. The right to live is for people. What makes them people?

(Again, very high levels of Devil's Advocate here)

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Traditionally marriage was NOT done due to love. Check out arranged marriages which were common.LJS9502_basic

Besides to my perception most people agree that marriage should be the result of love.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"] the right to live is an inherent right, therefore let them die.LJS9502_basic

Sure. The right to live is for people. What makes them people?

(Again, very high levels of Devil's Advocate here)

Black people weren't defined as people around four hundred years ago.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]You would have to establish WHEN and WHY someone doesnt deserve them.

Besides I never objected moral statements being part of an argument as long as they make sense.

Teenaged

The issue with "making sense" is that "sense" is a matter of perspective; you're not going to think the belief that the Earth is flat makes any sense but someone holding that belief will have no issue making sense of it whatsoever.

My whole point with all of this is people are too quick to reject a position simply because it's a moralistic one; ALL positions are moralistic ones once they're examined. Nobody believes something unless they believe that that something should be how it is, and the very addition of the word "should" necessitates a moral position.

Hooray, agreement!

*Collapses*

I feel it's OK,... disgusting but OK.

Unassigned

I've already said it once in this thread. There's a large difference between voicing an opinion and being blatantly offensive.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Sure. The right to live is for people. What makes them people?

(Again, very high levels of Devil's Advocate here)

Theokhoth

Black people weren't defined as people around four hundred years ago.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Not an argument.

Lockedge

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Saying you are playing Devil's Advocate doesn't mean your question was necessary.....I mean people is a rather defined term.LJS9502_basic

Black people weren't defined as people around four hundred years ago.

What's the definition of "person"? I'd like to see the abortion controversy resolved.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The issue with "making sense" is that "sense" is a matter of perspective; you're not going to think the belief that the Earth is flat makes any sense but someone holding that belief will have no issue making sense of it whatsoever.

My whole point with all of this is people are too quick to reject a position simply because it's a moralistic one; ALL positions are moralistic ones once they're examined. Nobody believes something unless they believe that that something should be how it is, and the very addition of the word "should" necessitates a moral position.

Theokhoth

Hooray, agreement!

*Collapses*

Thats how I go about: I agree with the ones I like and disagee with the ones I dislike!

>_______>

Yes, we don't have the right to tell people who/what they can and cannot marry/love

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Marriage is a ceremony done by the majority of people.

Its a means of showing your love to the significant other and also to gain some priviliges.

No person should be stripped away from those two opportunities if they wish to have them. And thats because we have equal rights.

Therefore gay marriage should be legal.

Dark_Knight6

The problem is, this is America we're speaking about. The very country where African Americans did not see equal rights in until several hundred years after its formation. We don't seem to be very fond of the whole "equal rights" thing.

"Gays already have the right to marry. Someone of the opposite sex. Therefore.... equal rights!"

RAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGEEEEEE!!!!

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Well thankfully for me I didnt get the response:

"Gays already have the right to marry. Someone of the opposite sex. Therefore.... equal rights!"

RAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGEEEEEE!!!!

Dark_Knight6

Oh, that one always makes me want to lunge through the screen and strangle which ever religious moron said it.

Oh, that one always makes me want to lunge through the screen and strangle which ever religious moron said it.

Dark_Knight6

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Oh, that one always makes me want to lunge through the screen and strangle which ever religious moron said it.

fidosim

Yay for misinterpreting my post! I assume you want a cookie of some form?

I didn't say everyone with a religion is a moron. Though it's always a moron with a religion that makes that claim.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Oh, that one always makes me want to lunge through the screen and strangle which ever religious moron said it.

fidosim

You see....

moron < μωρος (/moros/ = childish), but μωρον (/moron/ - neutral grammatical gender) also means "baby".

He called those religious people, babies. Like "hey baby". :D

:P

It doesn't harm me, so yes, I'm cool with it.

Of course, who am I to judge?

Yay for misinterpreting my post! I assume you want a cookie of some form?

I didn't say everyone with a religion is a moron. Though it's always a moron with a religion that makes that claim.

Of course, who am I to judge?

Guppy507

Guppy507.

Nawwwwww!!!

You see....

moron < μωρος (/moros/ = childish), but μωρον (/moron/ - neutral grammatical gender) also means "baby".

He called those religious people, babies. Like "hey baby". :D

:P

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Yay for misinterpreting my post! I assume you want a cookie of some form?

I didn't say everyone with a religion is a moron. Though it's always a moron with a religion that makes that claim.

fidosim

You're right. I shouldn't stoop to their levels. I'll delete that post.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] The only argument you really need against gay marriage is that you think it's morally wrong.LJS9502_basic

Trying to impress someone with your knowledge of trivia isn't appeal to authority.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Not an argument.

markop2003

A simple statement doesnt constitute an argument.

One has to deploy all the premises that make it up.

The statement "I am morally against it" is just the conclusion of a possible argument.

Then never go to youtube to watch a gay-related video. :P

Teenaged

Gay videos? Youtube? Where have I been?! :D

Deffinitely.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Then never go to youtube to watch a gay-related video. :P

Dark_Knight6

Gay videos? Youtube? Where have I been?! :D

Deffinitely.

RearNakedChoke

Nah there are better tubes out there. :P

Teenaged

The ones I've been to always have short clips. And they never show the good stuff. :(

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Nah there are better tubes out there. :P

Dark_Knight6

The ones I've been to always have short clips. And they never show the good stuff. :(

:P

Marriage is unnatural in the get go…How many people really only have sex with 1 person their whole life, willingly? I'd say the average person has sex with 2-3 people in their life time (homosexuals included). The whole Idea of being with just 1 person was never natural.

That being said, yes, if they really want to, gays should be allowed to get married.