[QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"]If a watch exists something or somebody created the watch. And if not someone or something created the universe, then how did it come to existance? You say matter exploded? How did this matter come into existance, and where did it come from?
Either way You mentioned yourself parallel dimensions, we could call these dimensions heaven and hell if we wanted to and in that sense heaven and hell does indeed exist.
Also angels and demons are beings that originated from various religions and most if not all of these religions believe in an after-life and the 3 religions which speaks of angels the most are all oriented around hell/heaven. It is also a common view based on religious texts that Angels are emanations of a supreme being. So your notion that if angels and demons exists it doesn't at all imply that heaven and hell exists is a ludicrous statement and just illustrates your need to denote others opinions in a less than constructive manner. You might call it philosofic, I call it idiotic.
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The universe could have always existed. We can never know. For all intents and purposes, there is no evidence to suggest it was "created" or "formed" at all.
Just because angels and demons (not particularly the Christian definition) exist, doesn't mean or imply that heaven and hell exist. If we could prove that angels and demons exist but not heaven and hell, then to imply that heaven and hell exist because angels and demons do, is just an assumption.
Just because something is a majority, doesn't mean its right. A lot of people believe in Santa Clause, and there is no evidence to suggest he is real. My notion about angels and demons existing is from a purely fantastical point of view. I enjoy the fiction associated with angels and demons and the fights they have... and I also would very much enjoy the fact if they actually *did* exist.
What is a ludicrous statement is implying that something exists based on the existence of something else. Just like with my universe-make example, to imply something is true without having any evidence to support the claim is an absurd claim.The universe could have always existed? Yet every Scientist believe it was created 14 billions years ago, give or take. The universe is expanding, how can it have always existed if it expands?
So lets say you resort to parallel universes, that another universe started off this universe and another universe started off that one and so on. Even so, one universe must have come to existence at some point even if it's so long ago that us humans can't comprehend it.
Our whole argument is based on the idea that angel and demons exists (yes the whole argument started when you felt the need to correct me)
And since Angel and Demons originated from religions it is not ludicrous at all to imply (doesn't mean it's proven, imply isn't a definitive) that the realms which according to religious text they come from, also exists. I'm not saying we can be certain, but the information that we have implies that this could be.
Stating otherwise is like saying, 1: oh look I found a page from a book! 2: Oh no you ignorant fool, you can't know for certain that it's from a book! 1: But it's a page of fiction with a page number on it, it is probably from a book. 2: You have no proof of that! Maybe the author just wrote that one page and left it on the ground for someone to find? Even implying that this book exists without any evidence to support the claim is an absurd claim!
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