Do you belive 9/11 was a inside job?

I can't answer for the government on why they did it the way they did, That still doesn't disprove the evidence of a planless crash at the pentagon,

racer8dan

Ever heard of Ockam's Razor?

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I can't answer for the government on why they did it the way they did, That still doesn't disprove the evidence of a planless crash at the pentagon,

ThePlothole

Ever heard of Ockam's Razor?

No offense or anything but simply believing that 9/11 was an inside job based on a youtube video, without looking into the extensive amount of evidence to the contrary, you are a gullible person indeed.

I can't answer for the government on why they did it the way they did, That still doesn't disprove the evidence of a planless crash at the pentagon,

racer8dan

What evidence would that be?

The large amount of plane wreckage found at the scene momentarily thereafter?

The experts who testify that the damage was consistent with a plane impact?

The dozens of witnesses who all say that they saw a plane?

The precisely zero witnesses who say that they saw a missile?

I mean, even some 9/11 conspiracy theorists find the "no plane hit the Pentagon" idea to be untenable.

I'm sorry, but all of you are incorrect. I believe the Russians did this to us.

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I can't answer for the government on why they did it the way they did, That still doesn't disprove the evidence of a planless crash at the pentagon,

GabuEx

What evidence would that be?

The large amount of plane wreckage found at the scene momentarily thereafter?

The experts who testify that the damage was consistent with a plane impact?

The dozens of witnesses who all say that they saw a plane?

The precisely zero witnesses who say that they saw a missile?

I mean, even some 9/11 conspiracy theorists find the "no plane hit the Pentagon" idea to be untenable.

Either go back and read the 50 some pages of evidence or watch the video I suggested, its all in there.

racer8dan

Cliffsnotes summary, please?

No offense or anything but simply believing that 9/11 was an inside job based on a youtube video, without looking into the extensive amount of evidence to the contrary, you are a gullible person indeed.

Vaasman

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

I can't answer for the government on why they did it the way they did, That still doesn't disprove the evidence of a planless crash at the pentagon,

GabuEx

What evidence would that be?

The large amount of plane wreckage found at the scene momentarily thereafter?

The experts who testify that the damage was consistent with a plane impact?

The dozens of witnesses who all say that they saw a plane?

The precisely zero witnesses who say that they saw a missile?

I mean, even some 9/11 conspiracy theorists find the "no plane hit the Pentagon" idea to be untenable.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

No offense or anything but simply believing that 9/11 was an inside job based on a youtube video, without looking into the extensive amount of evidence to the contrary, you are a gullible person indeed.

OBLOK

There's dozens of experts and witnesses that also say the contraryF1_2004

Experts? Who?

Witnesses? No. There is not one single witness who says that they saw a missile hit the Pentagon. Not one.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

No offense or anything but simply believing that 9/11 was an inside job based on a youtube video, without looking into the extensive amount of evidence to the contrary, you are a gullible person indeed.

OBLOK

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]There's dozens of experts and witnesses that also say the contraryGabuEx

Experts? Who?

Witnesses? No. There is not one single witness who says that they saw a missile hit the Pentagon. Not one.

Who propose that there was a plane, but it actually pulled up and over the Pentagon while an explosion went off.

Yeah, they're considered pretty loony, even amongst those in the Truth Movement. They and CIT spent quite a while arguing on the JREF forums.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Either go back and read the 50 some pages of evidence or watch the video I suggested, its all in there.

GabuEx

Cliffsnotes summary, please?

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

No offense or anything but simply believing that 9/11 was an inside job based on a youtube video, without looking into the extensive amount of evidence to the contrary, you are a gullible person indeed.

OBLOK

You think this hasn't been addressed? A) we live in a multi party system.. This would have gone through thousands to tens of thousands of people.. They couldn't even keep something small like Watergate and Contra scandel under wraps.. Not to mention the government does not control the media, something key in a cover up... I could argue that the government full well knew of the attack and let it slip through to take advantage of the situation.. But to seriously think people actually believe that the towers were brought down by controlled explosives, and other ridiculous things is just shocking.

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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

No offense or anything but simply believing that 9/11 was an inside job based on a youtube video, without looking into the extensive amount of evidence to the contrary, you are a gullible person indeed.

PannicAtack

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Either go back and read the 50 some pages of evidence or watch the video I suggested, its all in there.

racer8dan

Cliffsnotes summary, please?

How about, no? Why would I waste my time putting together a special list, for you to just pass off as crap anyways? WATCH the video its really not that long, and you might learn something on the way;)

racer8dan

It's not that long? I see "part 1 of 8" and that all the parts are 11 minutes long. That is 88 minutes I would have to spend watching it.

You can't just tell me what the evidence is?

EDIT: For that matter, I see that that video is being treated as members of the Truth movement as a plant because it's so bad.

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[QUOTE="OBLOK"]No offense or anything but simply believing that 9/11 was a cave mans job based on government documents, without looking into the extensive amount of evidence to the contrary, you are a gullible person indeed.

OBLOK

Are you kidding me? Their plan was a absolute success.. It not only help put is in a recession.. It trampled all over our Consitution with things like Hebus corpus.. We allowed and committed torture.. We invaded Iraq which not only caused the regions hatred towards the United States to increase within the region.. But we damaged our military in the occupation in casualtiies and total cost far more then AQ could ever do.. All to remove a dictator that AQ didn't like to begin with and we basically did them a favor.. As for killing them.. I don't see how they would care for that when the hardcore ones are willing to blow themselves up..

[QUOTE="OBLOK"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] For the hundredth goddamn time, the terrorists weren't "cave men."

sSubZerOo

Are you kidding me? Their plan was a absolute success.. It not only help put is in a recession.. It trampled all over our Consitution with things like Hebus corpus.. We allowed and committed torture.. We invaded Iraq which not only caused the regions hatred towards the United States to increase within the region.. But we damaged our military in the occupation in casualtiies and total cost far more then AQ could ever do.. All to remove a dictator that AQ didn't like to begin with and we basically did them a favor.. As for killing them.. I don't see how they would care for that when the hardcore ones are willing to blow themselves up..

[QUOTE="OBLOK"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

No offense or anything but simply believing that 9/11 was an inside job based on a youtube video, without looking into the extensive amount of evidence to the contrary, you are a gullible person indeed.

sSubZerOo

You think this hasn't been addressed? A) we live in a multi party system.. This would have gone through thousands to tens of thousands of people.. They couldn't even keep something small like Watergate and Contra scandel under wraps.. Not to mention the government does not control the media, something key in a cover up... I could argue that the government full well knew of the attack and let it slip through to take advantage of the situation.. But to seriously think people actually believe that the towers were brought down by controlled explosives, and other ridiculous things is just shocking.

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[QUOTE="OBLOK"]No offense or anything but simply believing that 9/11 was a cave mans job based on government documents, without looking into the extensive amount of evidence to the contrary, you are a gullible person indeed.

racer8dan

You think this hasn't been addressed? A) we live in a multi party system.. This would have gone through thousands to tens of thousands of people.. They couldn't even keep something small like Watergate and Contra scandel under wraps.. Not to mention the government does not control the media, something key in a cover up... I could argue that the government full well knew of the attack and let it slip through to take advantage of the situation.. But to seriously think people actually believe that the towers were brought down by controlled explosives, and other ridiculous things is just shocking.

Do you guys even know what it takes for a professional demolition of a building? It takes months of work, many miles of cables.. And extreme construction in ripping out walls and what not to properly place the explosives.. These buildings had people working in them, hundreds to thousands.. Are you seriously going to believe that the workers and people who visited didn't notice hundreds of walls ripped down and thousands of wires running all over the place? Me no think so.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]There's dozens of experts and witnesses that also say the contraryGabuEx

Experts? Who?

Witnesses? No. There is not one single witness who says that they saw a missile hit the Pentagon. Not one.

No offense or anything but simply believing that 9/11 was a cave mans job based on government documents, without looking into the extensive amount of evidence to the contrary, you are a gullible person indeed.

OBLOK

Experts being professional structural engineers and others.F1_2004

Who?

Witnesses being the people who are quoted and shown on video in that 11min youtube clip you dismissed that basically lol's at your last few posts.F1_2004

There is not one single witness who says that they saw a missile hit the Pentagon.

If I am wrong, then show me one.

Experts being professional structural engineers and others. F1_2004

Missiles on board? 5:30 to finish

Missiles on board? 5:30 to finish

racer8dan

OK, thank you, I will watch it and get back to you.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Experts being professional structural engineers and others. PannicAtack

I don't know what that is, so probably not. It's been many years, I don't remember the companies and the individual engineers' names, I'm sure it's all on the web somewhere. I don't really care enough about US politics to bother looking all of this up again, tbh. I was just pointing out that they're suspiciously hiding a lot of details which leads to people coming up with their own conclusions. But if you think all the conspiracy theorists are some uneducated hippies, you're sorely misinformed.

Missiles on board? 5:30 to finish

racer8dan

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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Experts being professional structural engineers and others. F1_2004

I don't know what that is, so probably not. It's been many years, I don't remember the companies and the individual engineers' names, I'm sure it's all on the web somewhere. I don't really care enough about US politics to bother looking all of this up again, tbh. I was just pointing out that they're suspiciously hiding a lot of details which leads to people coming up with their own conclusions. But if you think all the conspiracy theorists are some uneducated hippies, you're sorely misinformed.

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Missiles on board? 5:30 to finish

PannicAtack

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Missiles on board? 5:30 to finish

racer8dan

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Yeah, that's been debunked so hard it isn't even funny anymore. Even most truthers have rejected that claim by this point.PannicAtack

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Missiles on board? 5:30 to finish

GabuEx

OK, thank you, I will watch it and get back to you.

OK, I watched it and all I can say is... that's it? Are people not aware that, erm, jet fuel explodes?

"They flew a plane with a missile on it into the tower and that's why we saw an explosion"? I mean, really?

Is there nothing that conspiracy theorists will not believe?

[QUOTE="OBLOK"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] For the hundredth goddamn time, the terrorists weren't "cave men."

sSubZerOo

Are you kidding me? Their plan was a absolute success.. It not only help put is in a recession.. It trampled all over our Consitution with things like Hebus corpus.. We allowed and committed torture.. We invaded Iraq which not only caused the regions hatred towards the United States to increase within the region.. But we damaged our military in the occupation in casualtiies and total cost far more then AQ could ever do.. All to remove a dictator that AQ didn't like to begin with and we basically did them a favor.. As for killing them.. I don't see how they would care for that when the hardcore ones are willing to blow themselves up..

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]How did they debunk it?

racer8dan

Here's your missile pod.

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[QUOTE="OBLOK"]Well they are definitely cave men right now lol, their plan totally backfired on their asses, what a bunch of idiots, cave men fits their description nicely.

OBLOK

Are you kidding me? Their plan was a absolute success.. It not only help put is in a recession.. It trampled all over our Consitution with things like Hebus corpus.. We allowed and committed torture.. We invaded Iraq which not only caused the regions hatred towards the United States to increase within the region.. But we damaged our military in the occupation in casualtiies and total cost far more then AQ could ever do.. All to remove a dictator that AQ didn't like to begin with and we basically did them a favor.. As for killing them.. I don't see how they would care for that when the hardcore ones are willing to blow themselves up..

By the way, you can find a video fully debunking In Plane Sight here... created by a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="OBLOK"]Well they are definitely cave men right now lol, their plan totally backfired on their asses, what a bunch of idiots, cave men fits their description nicely.

OBLOK

Are you kidding me? Their plan was a absolute success.. It not only help put is in a recession.. It trampled all over our Consitution with things like Hebus corpus.. We allowed and committed torture.. We invaded Iraq which not only caused the regions hatred towards the United States to increase within the region.. But we damaged our military in the occupation in casualtiies and total cost far more then AQ could ever do.. All to remove a dictator that AQ didn't like to begin with and we basically did them a favor.. As for killing them.. I don't see how they would care for that when the hardcore ones are willing to blow themselves up..

The government reacted right in AQs hands and started trampling over the Constiution would be more accurate.. And furthermore terrorists do no "hate us for our freedoms", when Bush said that I wanted to face palm.. It shows that Bush either completely ignores or doesn't know a single thing about the history of the Middle East in the hatred, distrust, and overall annoyance to the west.

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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Missiles on board? 5:30 to finish

GabuEx

OK, thank you, I will watch it and get back to you.

OK, I watched it and all I can say is... that's it? Are people not aware that, erm, jet fuel explodes?

"They flew a plane with a missile on it into the tower and that's why we saw an explosion"? I mean, really?

Is there nothing that conspiracy theorists will not believe?

By the way, you can find a video fully debunking In Plane Sight here... created by a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

GabuEx

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By the way, you can find a video fully debunking In Plane Sight here... created by a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

PannicAtack

Yep.

?? You are talking about the "mini" explosion before the plane hit the building right? If that was an explosion caused by jet fuel, it would have been a hell of a lot bigger than that. And how do you explain thebottom of the plane? You can clearly see its not round like the bottom of a regular commercial airliner, by looking at the shadows and sun reflections.

racer8dan

Watch the video I linked to. It addresses all the points you've linked to thus far in that video.

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?? You are talking about the "mini" explosion before the plane hit the building right? If that was an explosion caused by jet fuel, it would have been a hell of a lot bigger than that. And how do you explain thebottom of the plane? You can clearly see its not round like the bottom of a regular commercial airliner, by looking at the shadows and sun reflections.

GabuEx

Watch the video I linked to. It addresses all the points you've linked to thus far in that video.

Not much debunking going on in that video. And what about the first tower missile strike?

racer8dan

Not much debunking going on? He shows how the filmmaker had to have purposefully lied about what he was showing the viewer, and there is not much debunking going on? He shows how this "pod" is not visible from a fifth vantage point, and there is not much debunking going on? This is not some brainwashed guy who believes the government story; this is a 9/11 Truther debunking that video you've been linking to. It's that bad.

What do you mean "first tower missile strike"?

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Not much debunking going on in that video. And what about the first tower missile strike?

GabuEx

Not much debunking going on? He shows how the filmmaker had to have purposefully lied about what he was showing the viewer, and there is not much debunking going on? He shows how this "pod" is not visible from a fifth vantage point, and there is not much debunking going on? This is not some brainwashed guy who believes the government story; this is a 9/11 Truther debunking that video you've been linking to. It's that bad.

What do you mean "first tower missile strike"?

4:10-

Well can someone explain why larry even ADMITTED that the fire department asked him if he would like to "pull it" referring to the building, while many other news and whatnot stated that it collapsed due to fire and other damages, how did they manage to rig building 7 with explosives in under 8 hours?

Here, watch this for a good laugh. 1:20 to finish

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Are you kidding me? Their plan was a absolute success.. It not only help put is in a recession.. It trampled all over our Consitution with things like Hebus corpus.. We allowed and committed torture.. We invaded Iraq which not only caused the regions hatred towards the United States to increase within the region.. But we damaged our military in the occupation in casualtiies and total cost far more then AQ could ever do.. All to remove a dictator that AQ didn't like to begin with and we basically did them a favor.. As for killing them.. I don't see how they would care for that when the hardcore ones are willing to blow themselves up..

PannicAtack