Do you belive in God or Do you belive in Science ?

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#201 Captain_Swosh69
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I believe in the fact of evolution, but before evolution, I just don't know.bastards12345
b4 evolution means b4 no existing live forms on earth which means volcanoes with no oxygen in the atmosphere which means no h2O which means no water or ocean. put that in reverse then you'll reach evolution.
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#202 Hewkii
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"]I believe in the fact of evolution, but before evolution, I just don't know.Captain_Swosh69
b4 evolution means b4 no existing live forms on earth which means volcanoes with no oxygen in the atmosphere which means no h2O which means no water or ocean. put that in reverse then you'll reach evolution.

early forms of life didn't breath oxygen. it was a poison to them, actually.
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#203 LJS9502_basic
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They are not mutually exclusive.....
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#204 Captain_Swosh69
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[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"][QUOTE="bastards12345"]I believe in the fact of evolution, but before evolution, I just don't know.Hewkii
b4 evolution means b4 no existing live forms on earth which means volcanoes with no oxygen in the atmosphere which means no h2O which means no water or ocean. put that in reverse then you'll reach evolution.

early forms of life didn't breath oxygen. it was a poison to them, actually.

well, we all know how the fish comes out of the water first to walk on land.....if you know what i mean...of course i dont know the details. if its poison, its poison then.
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#205 Superironic
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I believe a little bit in both.
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#206 qwerty2305
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Evolution requires non-living matter to turn into a living thing, this has never been observed.

Thats all I gotta say, I think you know which side im on.

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#207 Captain_Swosh69
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Evolution requires non-living matter to turn into a living thing, this has never been observed.

Thats all I gotta say, I think you know which side im on.

qwerty2305
wth??? so you get two rock and bam!!! you get a bird. tadaa. is that what you saying??
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#208 Superironic
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[QUOTE="qwerty2305"]

Evolution requires non-living matter to turn into a living thing, this has never been observed.

Thats all I gotta say, I think you know which side im on.

Captain_Swosh69
wth??? so you get two rock and bam!!! you get a bird. tadaa. is that what you saying??

That has happened at least once to everyone.
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#209 qwerty2305
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[QUOTE="qwerty2305"]

Evolution requires non-living matter to turn into a living thing, this has never been observed.

Thats all I gotta say, I think you know which side im on.

Captain_Swosh69

wth??? so you get two rock and bam!!! you get a bird. tadaa. is that what you saying??

No. Im just saying I think its more likely for a higher power to have created us.

Evolution requires non-living matter to turn into a living thing. Is that what you really believe? Because this defy's all scientific laws. A non-living thing cant just suddenly for no reason turn into a living thing.

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#210 double_decker
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I don't worry about either one because there are things that contradict each one, I just figure I'll find out soon enough when I die. So I just go on day by day, try to be a good person and make the most out of the things I have:)
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#211 Superironic
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There are many mystries to life like this one. But in the end we will not be able to answer it unless we are at the same level of thinking of the problem itself. And I do not think the Human race has.... yet.
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#212 Captain_Swosh69
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[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"][QUOTE="qwerty2305"]

Evolution requires non-living matter to turn into a living thing, this has never been observed.

Thats all I gotta say, I think you know which side im on.

qwerty2305

wth??? so you get two rock and bam!!! you get a bird. tadaa. is that what you saying??

No. Im just saying I think its more likely for a higher power to have created us.

Evolution requires non-living matter to turn into a living thing. Is that what you really believe? Because this defy's all scientific laws. A non-living thing cant just suddenly for no reason turn into a living thing.

well, the creation of proacto something, first exist some 300 million years ago ( its pro something, simple cells, i fail my bio class..:( i think, in my opinion is plausable coz there's this one scientist, chemically produce urine. tho urine is not a life form......or is it??? dunno. i fail my human bio. god also has never been observed too you know??and also, its humans that first created religions, not the other way around.

p.s. i dont know if its scientifically acceptable to say the first simple cell ever existed is the result of evolution. see that i just put that sentence nicely than just say nonliving thing to living things.

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#213 Flaming_Ape
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I believe in both!! :o
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#214 Bourbons3
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#215 demon_turkey
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#216 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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There's no reason why you can't believe in both of them.
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#217 Superironic
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I believe in both!! :oFlaming_Ape
That is what I said...
I believe a little bit in both.Superironic
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#218 RogerC44
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Both but I believe more in God.
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#219 Cultex_basic
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Evolution requires non-living matter to turn into a living thing, this has never been observed.

Thats all I gotta say, I think you know which side im on.

qwerty2305


Wrong...Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life...just the transition of species.
Please read more about evolution before jumping to baseless conclusions.
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#220 Nuke_trooper
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God created science and gave it to mankind so that we could use science to dismiss the existance of God. Therefore to put things bluntly, God pawned himself.
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#221 jim_shorts
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I don't really think God and science are all that incompatible. That is good science.
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#222 comp_atkins
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science has revealed far more about the workings of the universe than god ever has.
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#223 nickmag
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There's proof of science but not proof of God. Facts before fiction for me :)
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#224 Marx_Brother
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Science gives answers, myth doesn't.
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#225 mohan88
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Here is a really intersting about Science Philosophy of Science The philosophy of science seeks to understand the nature and justification of scientific knowledge and its ethical implications. It has proven difficult to provide a definitive account of the scientific method that can decisively serve to distinguish science from non-science. Thus there are legitimate arguments about exactly where the borders are. There is nonetheless a set of core precepts that have broad consensus among published philosophers of science and within the scientific community at large. (see: Problem of demarcation) Science is reasoned-based analysis of sensation upon our awareness. As such, the scientific method cannot deduce anything about the realm of reality that is beyond what is observable by existing or theoretical means. When a manifestation of our reality previously considered supernatural is understood in the terms of causes and consequences, it acquires a scientific explanation. Resting on reason and logic, along with other guidelines such as Occam's razor, which states a principle of parsimony, scientific theories are formulated and the most promising theory is selected after analysing the collected evidence. Some of the findings of science can be very counter-intuitive. Atomic theory, for example, implies that a granite boulder which appears a heavy, hard, solid, grey object is actually a combination of subatomic particles with none of these properties, moving very rapidly in space where the mass is concentrated in a very small fraction of the total volume. Many of humanity's preconceived notions about the workings of the universe have been challenged by new scientific discoveries. Quantum mechanics, particularly, examines phenomena that seem to defy our most basic postulates about causality and fundamental understanding of the world around us. Science is the branch of knowledge dealing with people and the understanding we have of our environment and how it works. There are different schools of thought in the philosophy of scientific method. Methodological naturalism maintains that scientific investigation must adhere to empirical study and independent verification as a process for properly developing and evaluating natural explanations for observable phenomena. Methodological naturalism, therefore, rejects supernatural explanations, arguments from authority and biased observational studies. Critical rationalism instead holds that unbiased observation is not possible and a demarcation between natural and supernatural explanations is arbitrary; it instead proposes falsifiability as the landmark of empirical theories and falsification as the universal empirical method. Critical rationalism argues for the primacy of science, but at the same time against its authority, by emphasizing its inherent fallibility. It proposes that science should be content with the rational elimination of errors in its theories, not in seeking for their verification (such as claiming certain or probable proof or disproof; both the proposal and falsification of a theory are only of methodological, conjectural, and tentative character in critical rationalism). Instrumentalism rejects the concept of truth and emphasizes merely the utility of theories as instruments for explaining and predicting phenomena.
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#226 mohan88
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According to the Poll Science has more believers than God.
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#227 nickdastick
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So where is the "Both" option in the poll? I believe in both. I know God made everything including science. Why can't they go together? Plus, a lot of times science changes due to new discoveries and better ways to gauge/test things. To me, that sums it up. God is perfect, he made science but our science hasn't reached the level of His which is why a lot of things change in sciecne as we perfect it (it being all the different ways of testing stuff and the like). So yeah, both is my answer.
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#228 nickdastick
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science has revealed far more about the workings of the universe than god ever has.comp_atkins

I would be very interested in hearing your reasoning on that.

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#229 mohan88
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So where is the "Both" option in the poll? I believe in both. I know God made everything including science. Why can't they go together? Plus, a lot of times science changes due to new discoveries and better ways to gauge/test things. To me, that sums it up. God is perfect, he made science but our science hasn't reached the level of His which is why a lot of things change in sciecne as we perfect it (it being all the different ways of testing stuff and the like). So yeah, both is my answer.nickdastick
Well The reason I did not put both in the options because which of these two do you belive more?
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#230 daniel52587
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Science definitely. We are in the age of technology. We are too smart to believe in story tales made up hundreds of years ago. 
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#231 Marx_Brother
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]science has revealed far more about the workings of the universe than god ever has.nickdastick

I would be very interested in hearing your reasoning on that.

Have you been skipping science class since primary school?

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#232 mohan88
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Science definitely. We are in the age of technology. We are too smart to believe in story tales made up hundreds of years ago. daniel52587
Really a good point. :)
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#233 AB_Uppercut
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:o "Oh My Science".... :lol:
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#234 nickdastick
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[QUOTE="nickdastick"]

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]science has revealed far more about the workings of the universe than god ever has.Marx_Brother

I would be very interested in hearing your reasoning on that.

Have you been skipping science class since primary school?

Okay, obviously you didn't read my previous post that was RIGHT above this one. I asked that because I was wondering what he would say. If you believe in God at all then more than likely you would have a different view on his phrase. For me, the statement, "science has shown us more about the universe" is totally opinion based. I believe that God allows us to discover the things we do because we were created in His image. So being made by Him would mean that what we discover was because of Him. Edison made the light bulb after failing a lot. He kept trying and trying and thought of new things and he could think of new ways because of how his brain was wired and I believe we are all made by God. So Edison was given the abilities he had from God which allowed him to think of the different ways he could possibly make a light bult which led him to think of the one that did it. So to answer you question, no I did not skip science class in fact, my mom has a Masters in Zoology and is about half a year from her PHD in Educational Science. Maybe you should ask my reasoning before you make that kind of snide, cavalier remark.

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#235 nickdastick
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[QUOTE="daniel52587"]Science definitely. We are in the age of technology. We are too smart to believe in story tales made up hundreds of years ago. mohan88
Really a good point. :)

If you don't have a belief in God. This thread is less of a topic and more of a "my opinion is right" thread. I respect everyones opinion but why can't they respect mine? If I just said God rocks and science sucks, then people would bash me and say how I am wrong. Usually forums are for discussion and not just bashing due to certain beliefs. Oh, and the topic maker usually is a little less bias... Put a both on there man, or change your topic to what to you believe in more. Just put both since I'm sure many people believe they go hand in hand.

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#236 mohan88
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[QUOTE="mohan88"][QUOTE="daniel52587"]Science definitely. We are in the age of technology. We are too smart to believe in story tales made up hundreds of years ago. nickdastick

Really a good point. :)

If you don't have a belief in God. This thread is less of a topic and more of a "my opinion is right" thread. I respect everyones opinion but why can't they respect mine? If I just said God rocks and science sucks, then people would bash me and say how I am wrong. Usually forums are for discussion and not just bashing due to certain beliefs. Oh, and the topic maker usually is a little less bias... Put a both on there man, or change your topic to what to you believe in more. Just put both since I'm sure many people believe they go hand in hand.

I respect your opinion, but there is no proof God yet....
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#237 AB_Uppercut
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I respect your opinion, but there is no proof God yet....mohan88

dude the way I see it is that were only human, who are we to judge God, its God that judges us.

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#238 mohan88
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[QUOTE="mohan88"]I respect your opinion, but there is no proof God yet....AB_Uppercut

dude the way I see it is that were only human, who are we to judge God, its God that judges us.

Well Science is judgeing on different Galxias, planets etc and sooner or later they will be judge on God.
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#239 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]science has revealed far more about the workings of the universe than god ever has.nickdastick

I would be very interested in hearing your reasoning on that.

god may have put it there, but science has revealed how it works.  you opinion may vary.  this is the internet after all

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#240 a55assin
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/God

God:

1.the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

Owned by a dictionary...

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#241 AB_Uppercut
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[QUOTE="AB_Uppercut"]

[QUOTE="mohan88"]I respect your opinion, but there is no proof God yet....mohan88

dude the way I see it is that were only human, who are we to judge God, its God that judges us.

Well Science is judgeing on different Galxias, planets etc and sooner or later they will be judge on God.

ah yes science :) You know we have free will we can believe in what we want, people have choice and religion does not force you -especially mine- to follow it. I actually believe in all the Holy books that were given to mankind all those thousands of years ago I mean they were actually way too advanced for that time and what these books prophesied actually did come true, its just over time most of these Holy books got tainted by mankind and thats why people get confused when they read them.

In fact there is only one holy book that is still exactly the same as it was first given and you know what, 80% of what that book says is 100% true and the other 20% is in the unknown.

I'm not lieing when I say this but when I was 10 I read in that Holy book that the universe is expanding and then when I was 16 and in school I was learning science and about the universe, and my teacher said that the unverse is expanding. I was like :o

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[QUOTE="nickdastick"]

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]science has revealed far more about the workings of the universe than god ever has.comp_atkins

I would be very interested in hearing your reasoning on that.

god may have put it there, but science has revealed how it works.

  If it/He/She actually exists.. Even then the being most likely sees us as ants if not specs of dust in existance..  With the massive amounts of matter in the universe I think its rediculous to say we are the only ones alone..  There are 4 to 5 billion stars in our galaxy, each may have up to dozens of planets around them..  Our galaxy is considered quite average some are larger to 8 or 10 billion stars..  Now we have SEEN at least a estimated 125 BILLION galaxies through the hubble telescope..

   Top that we have found numerous evidence on how matter is changed in the universe, by the fusion reaction of Suns.. Infact our brightest minds out there believe we are all made from stardust, matter left over from dead stars..   No its not to say science knows all, because we as a spieces do not..  Gravity, evolution, genetics, even our planets weather is still a mystery for us.. But instead of trying to make up some bs, science waits and is willing to scrap the entire idea of a theory in proof of another..    Hell we don't even know what 70% of our universe is made of, we only have accounted 30% of matter that is relaly needed to keep galaxies together instead of flinging apart..

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#243 rimnet00
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/God

God:

1.the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

Owned by a dictionary...

a55assin
Haha. That made me chuckle.
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#244 a55assin
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[QUOTE="a55assin"]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/God

God:

1.the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

Owned by a dictionary...

rimnet00

Haha. That made me chuckle.

It better have...or else I'd have bitten into every single poster commenting on this topic...

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#245 DrDoomed
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Both are real aint they? but science aint that religious or entropic
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#246 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="mohan88"][QUOTE="AB_Uppercut"]

[QUOTE="mohan88"]I respect your opinion, but there is no proof God yet....AB_Uppercut

dude the way I see it is that were only human, who are we to judge God, its God that judges us.

Well Science is judgeing on different Galxias, planets etc and sooner or later they will be judge on God.

ah yes science :) You know we have free will we can believe in what we want, people have choice and religion does not force you -especially mine- to follow it. I actually believe in all the Holy books that were given to mankind all those thousands of years ago I mean they were actually way too advanced for that time and what these books prophesied actually did come true, its just over time most of these Holy books got tainted by mankind and thats why people get confused when they read them.

In fact there is only one holy book that is still exactly the same as it was first given and you know what, 80% of what that book says is 100% true and the other 20% is in the unknown.

I'm not lieing when I say this but when I was 10 I read in that Holy book that the universe is expanding and then when I was 16 and in school I was learning science and about the universe, and my teacher said that the unverse is expanding. I was like :o

..............   Yeah so what?  Notrodomus was the exact same, and he was wrong on the world coming to an end..  The guy that wrote 20 thousand leagues under the sea was right in some plaecs but was wrong in many other places as well..  

   NO I REPEAT NO SCRIPTURE that dates as far back as your hinting is pure.. Because in the end you are reading something that has been translated hundreds of times, which regardless if it was not changed purposely would still be different..   This is also doing the stretch that man kind isn't infact bias and would change the meaning to their own bias, which thye most likely indeed have..

   Hell the majority of ALL RELIGIOUS communities can not agree on the true meaning of passages in religious scriptures..

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#247 mohan88
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[QUOTE="DrDoomed"]Both are real aint they? but science aint that religious or entropic

But there is no proof of god at least not yet.
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#248 a55assin
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[QUOTE="DrDoomed"]Both are real aint they? but science aint that religious or entropicmohan88
But there is no proof of god at least not yet.

Prove God doesn't exist...then we'll talk

And I doubt there will ever be real proof...I think the only ones who ever actually knew for sure were those with Jesus. And near-death experience victoms.

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#249 Samwel_X
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Neither are exclusive as neither can be true.

Religion and God require faith as it cannot be true, human minds cannot percieve that which is true, we can only see and take in what the human mind can do. The Human brain is like windows 95, it comes with Relaltive ideas of Time, Space and whatever else built in, you cannot upgrade your brain, and so from where we are we can never know truth. As Emmanuel Kant said we cannot know everything. As much as people argue that what we see is true, we cannot be sure, we do not see all the bacteria in the air floating around so we cannot know that what we see is truth.

Science is all theories, and a theory is only as good as the next idea, no science can be proved as a theory is not fact. Using the equipment taht we have (meaning our brains, eyes, wars, noses etc) we cannot percieve everything and therefore never know truth. We have theories to explain things but because our bodies abilities are not as good as they could be we can never know what the truth is behind those theories. We can never know what is real and waht isn't, ultimate reality is unachieveable.

I could go further but i would need to think too deeply for a monday night.





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#250 murlow12
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i wouldn't say they are neccessarily mutually exclusive.romocop33
Of course not. This guy is trying to back us Christians into a corner by only giving us these 2 options. Failed attempt...