Do You Celebrate Christmas a religious holiday?

Uh...you're not getting it. Other than having the date for a saint it has nothing to do with Christianity. Saints get days....St Patrick, St Valentine, St John, St Steven, St Thomas Beckett....it's nothing moe than a feast day and isn't celebrated outside of the day set aside for the saint. There are 365 days in a year....there are bound to overlapping events on said day.

I haven't avoided any point. If anything the name of the saint was taken for the commercial day. It's nothing more than a feast day. You have a magic crystal ball that tells you that the date would still be celebrated long after the culture died? Because ancient cultures did have specific days that we no longer celebrate today. And I doubt anyone would have celebrated the winter solstice even decades after paganism died out.

No what happened is they picked the same date. It's really that simple. That would be like if I had a fantastic military and invaded the UK and made it subservient to me and my co conspirators. I don't want to celebrate Guy Fawkes anymore but I want to keep the natives happy. So I create Liberation Day...make it a bank holiday, close the shops, have everyone get a paid holiday, and light up the sky with fireworks. Note...I'm NOT celebrating Guy Fawkes Day anymore. I'm celebrating something entirely different but instead of creating a new day.....I give you the same day off to avoid confusion and keep the population as happy as they're going to be under my reign. If you can't see that the meaning of the day is what is celebrated and NOT the date then I don't know what to tell you.

LJS9502_basic

I don't think your getting it, the christians picked the same days in order to convert pagans to christianity, this allowed them to still celebrate pagan holidays even though they were converts. Christianity simple took over the pagan holidays and twisted them for their own purpose.

No one simply picked the same day, it was planned to undermine a different set of beliefs.

i wouldnt say that. i talk to my friends about this and we went to a pretty prestigious school. highly educated and pretty informed. i would say we are all pretty intelligent. assumptions ftw i guess.

pygmahia5

rofl.

It's funny because you think you know something.

[QUOTE="pygmahia5"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]But again religion is a very very small reason for war. And if someone is saying that then they are uneducated and uniformed.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Uh...you're not getting it. Other than having the date for a saint it has nothing to do with Christianity. Saints get days....St Patrick, St Valentine, St John, St Steven, St Thomas Beckett....it's nothing moe than a feast day and isn't celebrated outside of the day set aside for the saint. There are 365 days in a year....there are bound to overlapping events on said day.

I haven't avoided any point. If anything the name of the saint was taken for the commercial day. It's nothing more than a feast day. You have a magic crystal ball that tells you that the date would still be celebrated long after the culture died? Because ancient cultures did have specific days that we no longer celebrate today. And I doubt anyone would have celebrated the winter solstice even decades after paganism died out.

No what happened is they picked the same date. It's really that simple. That would be like if I had a fantastic military and invaded the UK and made it subservient to me and my co conspirators. I don't want to celebrate Guy Fawkes anymore but I want to keep the natives happy. So I create Liberation Day...make it a bank holiday, close the shops, have everyone get a paid holiday, and light up the sky with fireworks. Note...I'm NOT celebrating Guy Fawkes Day anymore. I'm celebrating something entirely different but instead of creating a new day.....I give you the same day off to avoid confusion and keep the population as happy as they're going to be under my reign. If you can't see that the meaning of the day is what is celebrated and NOT the date then I don't know what to tell you.

tenaka2

I don't think your getting it, the christians picked the same days in order to convert pagans to christianity, this allowed them to still celebrate pagan holidays even though they were converts. Christianity simple took over the pagan holidays and twisted them for their own purpose.

No one simply picked the same day, it was planned to undermine a different set of beliefs.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="pygmahia5"] i wouldnt say that. i talk to my friends about this and we went to a pretty prestigious school. highly educated and pretty informed. i would say we are all pretty intelligent. assumptions ftw i guess. pygmahia5

Argumentum ad hominem, its a common tactic around these parts.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Uh...you're not getting it. Other than having the date for a saint it has nothing to do with Christianity. Saints get days....St Patrick, St Valentine, St John, St Steven, St Thomas Beckett....it's nothing moe than a feast day and isn't celebrated outside of the day set aside for the saint. There are 365 days in a year....there are bound to overlapping events on said day.

I haven't avoided any point. If anything the name of the saint was taken for the commercial day. It's nothing more than a feast day. You have a magic crystal ball that tells you that the date would still be celebrated long after the culture died? Because ancient cultures did have specific days that we no longer celebrate today. And I doubt anyone would have celebrated the winter solstice even decades after paganism died out.

No what happened is they picked the same date. It's really that simple. That would be like if I had a fantastic military and invaded the UK and made it subservient to me and my co conspirators. I don't want to celebrate Guy Fawkes anymore but I want to keep the natives happy. So I create Liberation Day...make it a bank holiday, close the shops, have everyone get a paid holiday, and light up the sky with fireworks. Note...I'm NOT celebrating Guy Fawkes Day anymore. I'm celebrating something entirely different but instead of creating a new day.....I give you the same day off to avoid confusion and keep the population as happy as they're going to be under my reign. If you can't see that the meaning of the day is what is celebrated and NOT the date then I don't know what to tell you.

LJS9502_basic

I don't think your getting it, the christians picked the same days in order to convert pagans to christianity, this allowed them to still celebrate pagan holidays even though they were converts. Christianity simple took over the pagan holidays and twisted them for their own purpose.

No one simply picked the same day, it was planned to undermine a different set of beliefs.

it was a tool for conversion, as well as keeping converts happy, I think this point is important as it highlights the insidious nature of certain religions.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I don't think your getting it, the christians picked the same days in order to convert pagans to christianity, this allowed them to still celebrate pagan holidays even though they were converts. Christianity simple took over the pagan holidays and twisted them for their own purpose.

No one simply picked the same day, it was planned to undermine a different set of beliefs.

tenaka2

it was a tool for conversion, as well as keeping converts happy, I think this point is important as it highlights the insidious nature of certain religions.

No.... well kinda?

I am not a religious person anymore, but it's good to keep up appearances as not to cause trouble for others.

No.... well kinda?

I am not a religious person anymore, but it's good to keep up appearances as not to cause trouble for others.

Baconbits2004

No.... well kinda?

I am not a religious person anymore, but it's good to keep up appearances as not to cause trouble for others.

Baconbits2004

Of course. Christmas is celebrating the birth of Santa Claus! Why would I not celebrate it?

How would that cause trouble?toast_burner

I was referring mostly to family members/close friends that are religious.

The times I have said that I am not religious have ended quite badly. They get quite distressed over it.
Example: when I was 16-17 I said that I didn't want to pray over something, because I didn't believe that prayers did anything.
The reaction was so bad that I was nearly kicked out. :/

On the other hand if I just say "alright" and go along with it, they don't get stressed over it.

Addendum: the thought of not believing gets them quite upset, because that leads them to thinking I'm not going to meet up with them in heaven.

Nope. I just use it to spend time with family and eat large meals.

This 2 minute clip shows what of Christmas I do celebrate.

because that leads them to thinking I'm not going to meet up with them in heaven.

Baconbits2004

just tell them that even if you go to heaven you're gonna ignore themJandurin

lmao.

I'd have probably lost a tooth or two if I said that. >:

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I know exactly why they picked the same date...hence my analogy above. Or didn't you read it?

LJS9502_basic

it was a tool for conversion, as well as keeping converts happy, I think this point is important as it highlights the insidious nature of certain religions.

I think many people are missing the point when they start argueing about which day Jesus was actually born. To me Christmas is a religious holiday for it is the day that Jesus Christ was born. I think people are forgetting that Jesus was born as God incarnate to become like us to breathe like us to eat like us to feel pain and the hatred of other people like us. He brought himself down on our level in order to save us from the corrupting nature of sin and for us to have a personal relationship with God. Mindstorm's 2 minute clip is a good explanation of it.

Knowing this and arguing about which day Jesus was actually born is quite silly, who gives a hoot lol. So stop argueing about the damn day and just focus on what matters.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="pygmahia5"] Keith Country Day School is the one. and yes, i know of some kids that went there that were D students lol. only like 3 though. whats your point with this though? that religion isn't a factor in wars/deaths? because it is. pygmahia5

nope Christmas is not a religious holiday its been proven that Jesus wasn't born in December so why should I celebrate the winter solstice . btw that wasn't a question I was asking lol...

[QUOTE="pygmahia5"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]93% of wars/deaths had nothing to do with religion. So maybe you should not be so quick to say religion is the major cause of wars. My point...anecdotal evidence isn't worth much. Prep school seriously? I thought we'd be talking about more than secondary education. the_plan_man

Example: when I was 16-17 I said that I didn't want to pray over something, because I didn't believe that prayers did anything. The reaction was so bad that I was nearly kicked out. :/Baconbits2004

What the f*ck?

Yes, I do. And if the "date" was originally "stolen" from the Pagans as a means to convert, the message of the holiday is still the same. :?the_plan_man

No I do not.

What the f*ck?

Just-Breathe

Not even joking/exaggerating. The words "if you're going to be in my house, you're going to be a christian, and christians pray" were used. Quite loudly.

It's one of the few things I actually feel the need to lie about. Which I find kind of ironic.

[QUOTE="Just-Breathe"]What the f*ck?

Baconbits2004

Not even joking/exaggerating. The words "if you're going to be in my house, you're going to be a christian, and christians pray" were used. Quite loudly.

It's one of the few things I actually feel the need to lie about. Which I find kind of ironic.

See this is why I love the Uk..... we don't care about God anymore, it's awesome!

Maybe at one point in my life, but baby jesus stopped showing up, so we stopped sending him cards.

Not as the religion it was intended for.
Being a LaVeyan Satanist I celebrate it so I get free stuff and enjoy myself

[QUOTE="Just-Breathe"]What the f*ck?

Not even joking/exaggerating. The words "if you're going to be in my house, you're going to be a christian, and christians pray" were used. Quite loudly.

It's one of the few things I actually feel the need to lie about. Which I find kind of ironic.

See this is why I love the Uk..... we don't care about God anymore, it's awesome!

MattDistillery

Not as the religion it was intended for.
Being a LaVeyan Satanist I celebrate it so I get free stuff and enjoy myself

RisethNameless

Is that you Senor-Dweller?

Yeap, people in this country are ungrateful, They owe Christianity alot

I just get together with my family and have a good time. Food, family, and fun. While this may offend lots of nonreligous people, we do it in the privacy of our homes. I myself am not a religous person, but I still like the holiday. Probably because I'm not an jackass.

Yup because it is a religious day to Christians.

Yeap, people in this country are ungrateful, They owe Christianity alotMephers3

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Not as the religion it was intended for.
Being a LaVeyan Satanist I celebrate it so I get free stuff and enjoy myself

the_plan_man

Is that you Senor-Dweller?

i say my 40psalms and go on a shooting spree, because i want to give credence to the views found in OT

surrealnumber5

No, especially since I'm eating ribs on christmas. Screw tradition. :P