Do you consider all drugs to be the same ethically / effect

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]When did I say that? Ever heard of a comedown? When your on ecstacy you want to do it every day for the rest of your life but a little while later you never want to do it again.
swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]When did I say that? Ever heard of a comedown? When your on ecstacy you want to do it every day for the rest of your life but a little while later you never want to do it again.
CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]When did I say that? Ever heard of a comedown? When your on ecstacy you want to do it every day for the rest of your life but a little while later you never want to do it again.
swizz-the-gamer

Do you know what causes that "comedown?" It happens because the drugs increase a chemical in your brain--ecstasy increases the production of Dopamine, I believe, which gives you the happies and makes you relaxed.

When you stop the drug, your brain cannot make the chemical fast enough, so you feel sick and depressed. If you are on the drug for a very long time, your brain eventually "forgets" how to produce the chemical without the aid of the drug--so that feeling of sickness and depression lasts much longer, and create new symptoms.

Of course, I could be wrong (about what ecstasy does to your dopamine system), but I think that's how it goes.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Explain what you mean by worthless.
swizz-the-gamer

Not worth anything: Not worth the time people take to get you out of drug habits, not worth the money you spend on the drugs, not even worth the drugs themselves.

Did you or did you not miss the part of the thread where I stated "If you quit, then you gain [some worth] as far as I'm concerned."

:|

You were never hooked?

Well, that's even worse.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]When did I say that? Ever heard of a comedown? When your on ecstacy you want to do it every day for the rest of your life but a little while later you never want to do it again.
Dracargen

Do you know what causes that "comedown?" It happens because the drugs increase a chemical in your brain--ecstasy increases the production of Dopamine, I believe, which gives you the happies and makes you relaxed.

When you stop the drug, your brain cannot make the chemical fast enough, so you feel sick and depressed. If you are on the drug for a very long time, your brain eventually "forgets" how to produce the chemical without the aid of the drug--so that feeling of sickness and depression lasts much longer, and create new symptoms.

Of course, I could be wrong (about what ecstasy does to your dopamine system), but I think that's how it goes.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Explain what you mean by worthless.
Dracargen

Not worth anything: Not worth the time people take to get you out of drug habits, not worth the money you spend on the drugs, not even worth the drugs themselves.

Did you or did you not miss the part of the thread where I stated "If you quit, then you gain [some worth] as far as I'm concerned."

:|

You were never hooked?

Well, that's even worse.

Why is that even worse?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]When did I say that? Ever heard of a comedown? When your on ecstacy you want to do it every day for the rest of your life but a little while later you never want to do it again.
swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]When did I say that? Ever heard of a comedown? When your on ecstacy you want to do it every day for the rest of your life but a little while later you never want to do it again.
swizz-the-gamer

Do you know what causes that "comedown?" It happens because the drugs increase a chemical in your brain--ecstasy increases the production of Dopamine, I believe, which gives you the happies and makes you relaxed.

When you stop the drug, your brain cannot make the chemical fast enough, so you feel sick and depressed. If you are on the drug for a very long time, your brain eventually "forgets" how to produce the chemical without the aid of the drug--so that feeling of sickness and depression lasts much longer, and create new symptoms.

Of course, I could be wrong (about what ecstasy does to your dopamine system), but I think that's how it goes.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Explain what you mean by worthless.
swizz-the-gamer

Not worth anything: Not worth the time people take to get you out of drug habits, not worth the money you spend on the drugs, not even worth the drugs themselves.

Did you or did you not miss the part of the thread where I stated "If you quit, then you gain [some worth] as far as I'm concerned."

:|

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]When did I say that? Ever heard of a comedown? When your on ecstacy you want to do it every day for the rest of your life but a little while later you never want to do it again.
swizz-the-gamer

Ok, that is just a terrible justification for utilizing any drug. If you really want to experience this world you don't have to do it through a synthesized pill that gives you a warped sense of reality.

Yep it's something like that. You know some worthless druggies use 'moderation'
swizz-the-gamer

It doesn't matter. If used regularly, your brain will set itself to that time.

Hypothetical example: You use a drug that makes you fall asleep immediately at 8:00 every night for about three months.

When you quit the drug, you will get very tired and fall asleep at 8:00, because your brain was set to that time by the drug.

If you use marijuana once a day every day at 3:00 for about three months, your brain will create more dopamine when you use that drug. But now it becomes different than with the sleeping example. When you quit, instead of making large amounts of the chemical, it will make less chemicals, because your brain had gotten used to you using the drug to "help" it make chemicals. It would probably feel the worst at 3:00, because that's about when your dopamine production was at its highest, and your brain and body were used to that.

So, even "moderation" is bad.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Explain what you mean by worthless.
swizz-the-gamer

Not worth anything: Not worth the time people take to get you out of drug habits, not worth the money you spend on the drugs, not even worth the drugs themselves.

Did you or did you not miss the part of the thread where I stated "If you quit, then you gain [some worth] as far as I'm concerned."

:|

You were never hooked?

Well, that's even worse.

Why is that even worse?

At least the people who are hooked have a remotely justified reason to keep using the stuff.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Yep it's something like that. You know some worthless druggies use 'moderation'
Dracargen

It doesn't matter. If used regularly, your brain will set itself to that time.

Hypothetical example: You use a drug that makes you fall asleep immediately at 8:00 every night for about three months.

When you quit the drug, you will get very tired and fall asleep at 8:00, because your brain was set to that time by the drug.

If you use marijuana once a day every day at 3:00 for about three months, your brain will create more dopamine when you use that drug. But now it becomes different than with the sleeping example. When you quit, instead of making large amounts of the chemical, it will make less chemicals, because your brain had gotten used to you using the drug to "help" it make chemicals. It would probably feel the worst at 3:00, because that's about when your dopamine production was at its highest, and your brain and body were used to that.

So, even "moderation" is bad.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Yep it's something like that. You know some worthless druggies use 'moderation'
achilles614

It doesn't matter. If used regularly, your brain will set itself to that time.

Hypothetical example: You use a drug that makes you fall asleep immediately at 8:00 every night for about three months.

When you quit the drug, you will get very tired and fall asleep at 8:00, because your brain was set to that time by the drug.

If you use marijuana once a day every day at 3:00 for about three months, your brain will create more dopamine when you use that drug. But now it becomes different than with the sleeping example. When you quit, instead of making large amounts of the chemical, it will make less chemicals, because your brain had gotten used to you using the drug to "help" it make chemicals. It would probably feel the worst at 3:00, because that's about when your dopamine production was at its highest, and your brain and body were used to that.

So, even "moderation" is bad.

You smoke three times a day. . .but take a week-month break every now and then?:|

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]When did I say that? Ever heard of a comedown? When your on ecstacy you want to do it every day for the rest of your life but a little while later you never want to do it again.
CptJSparrow

Do you know what causes that "comedown?" It happens because the drugs increase a chemical in your brain--ecstasy increases the production of Dopamine, I believe, which gives you the happies and makes you relaxed.

When you stop the drug, your brain cannot make the chemical fast enough, so you feel sick and depressed. If you are on the drug for a very long time, your brain eventually "forgets" how to produce the chemical without the aid of the drug--so that feeling of sickness and depression lasts much longer, and create new symptoms.

Of course, I could be wrong (about what ecstasy does to your dopamine system), but I think that's how it goes.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Yep it's something like that. You know some worthless druggies use 'moderation'
Dracargen

It doesn't matter. If used regularly, your brain will set itself to that time.

Hypothetical example: You use a drug that makes you fall asleep immediately at 8:00 every night for about three months.

When you quit the drug, you will get very tired and fall asleep at 8:00, because your brain was set to that time by the drug.

If you use marijuana once a day every day at 3:00 for about three months, your brain will create more dopamine when you use that drug. But now it becomes different than with the sleeping example. When you quit, instead of making large amounts of the chemical, it will make less chemicals, because your brain had gotten used to you using the drug to "help" it make chemicals. It would probably feel the worst at 3:00, because that's about when your dopamine production was at its highest, and your brain and body were used to that.

So, even "moderation" is bad.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]When did I say that? Ever heard of a comedown? When your on ecstacy you want to do it every day for the rest of your life but a little while later you never want to do it again.
AndrewSuh

Do you know what causes that "comedown?" It happens because the drugs increase a chemical in your brain--ecstasy increases the production of Dopamine, I believe, which gives you the happies and makes you relaxed.

When you stop the drug, your brain cannot make the chemical fast enough, so you feel sick and depressed. If you are on the drug for a very long time, your brain eventually "forgets" how to produce the chemical without the aid of the drug--so that feeling of sickness and depression lasts much longer, and create new symptoms.

Of course, I could be wrong (about what ecstasy does to your dopamine system), but I think that's how it goes.

No one can understand what its like to be rollin if you've never taken ecstacy, no matter how much information is avaiable.AndrewSuh

I have severe migraines, with nausea and vomiting. People have said that not even hangovers are as bad as what I have.

The point? Yes I can understand, because I've felt it, and probably felt worse.

[QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Yep it's something like that. You know some worthless druggies use 'moderation'
Dracargen

It doesn't matter. If used regularly, your brain will set itself to that time.

Hypothetical example: You use a drug that makes you fall asleep immediately at 8:00 every night for about three months.

When you quit the drug, you will get very tired and fall asleep at 8:00, because your brain was set to that time by the drug.

If you use marijuana once a day every day at 3:00 for about three months, your brain will create more dopamine when you use that drug. But now it becomes different than with the sleeping example. When you quit, instead of making large amounts of the chemical, it will make less chemicals, because your brain had gotten used to you using the drug to "help" it make chemicals. It would probably feel the worst at 3:00, because that's about when your dopamine production was at its highest, and your brain and body were used to that.

So, even "moderation" is bad.

You smoke three times a day. . .but take a week-month break every now and then?:|

Assuming you mean illegal drugs, yes, I treat them all the same. My body is probably screwed enough without me introducing mind **** substances to it. At the risk of sounding like mommys good little boy in an after school special, I'll just say no to them all and be creative in a consious state of mind.

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"]No one can understand what its like to be rollin if you've never taken ecstacy, no matter how much information is avaiable.Dracargen

I have severe migraines, with nausea and vomiting. People have said that not even hangovers are as bad as what I have.

The point? Yes I can understand, because I've felt it, and probably felt worse.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Yep it's something like that. You know some worthless druggies use 'moderation'
AndrewSuh

It doesn't matter. If used regularly, your brain will set itself to that time.

Hypothetical example: You use a drug that makes you fall asleep immediately at 8:00 every night for about three months.

When you quit the drug, you will get very tired and fall asleep at 8:00, because your brain was set to that time by the drug.

If you use marijuana once a day every day at 3:00 for about three months, your brain will create more dopamine when you use that drug. But now it becomes different than with the sleeping example. When you quit, instead of making large amounts of the chemical, it will make less chemicals, because your brain had gotten used to you using the drug to "help" it make chemicals. It would probably feel the worst at 3:00, because that's about when your dopamine production was at its highest, and your brain and body were used to that.

So, even "moderation" is bad.

You smoke three times a day. . .but take a week-month break every now and then?:|

lol no..... The only time you have less then normal dopamine in your brain is when you are burned out... Your brain does not "forget", drugs like cocaine and X damage parts of your brain that produce dopamine... With a drug like pot even after three months of smoking it, you will be fine after 3-6 days.... also who does the same drug over and over again at the exact same time? :|killtactics

Do you know the definition of "hypothetical?"

After 3-6 days? That's typically what is called "withdrawal," which is what we were talking about.:|

Perhaps you should quit smoking and read.

By the way, I want research papers on what you just said about dopamine and cocaine, preferably (and by 'preferably' I mean 'I won't accept anything else') from a reliable source or institution.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"]No one can understand what its like to be rollin if you've never taken ecstacy, no matter how much information is avaiable.AndrewSuh

I have severe migraines, with nausea and vomiting. People have said that not even hangovers are as bad as what I have.

The point? Yes I can understand, because I've felt it, and probably felt worse.

You can't have a jump without a fall. The only reason people get so screwed up is because they forget or were never told that this up has a down. I see no reason we should ignore such stuff as that.

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"]No one can understand what its like to be rollin if you've never taken ecstacy, no matter how much information is avaiable.Dracargen

I have severe migraines, with nausea and vomiting. People have said that not even hangovers are as bad as what I have.

The point? Yes I can understand, because I've felt it, and probably felt worse.

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]When did I say that? Ever heard of a comedown? When your on ecstacy you want to do it every day for the rest of your life but a little while later you never want to do it again.
CptJSparrow

Do you know what causes that "comedown?" It happens because the drugs increase a chemical in your brain--ecstasy increases the production of Dopamine, I believe, which gives you the happies and makes you relaxed.

When you stop the drug, your brain cannot make the chemical fast enough, so you feel sick and depressed. If you are on the drug for a very long time, your brain eventually "forgets" how to produce the chemical without the aid of the drug--so that feeling of sickness and depression lasts much longer, and create new symptoms.

Of course, I could be wrong (about what ecstasy does to your dopamine system), but I think that's how it goes.

For me I think that the word Drug is very miss-leading. It can apply to something that dulls your senses, lowers your inhibitions, and decreases your perception and intelligence. Such as Alcohol, Heroin, or Crystal Meth.

On the other hand it can also apply to something that increases creativity, insight, makes you hallucinate, or forces you to examine your own consciousness. Such as Mushrooms, Cacti, or LSD.

Moreso drugs can apply to anti-psychotics which make the mind rigid. Mostly man made pharmaceutical drugs given to children and adults alike.

Finally drugs can also apply to a substance that speeds up your heart rate and gives a temporary surge of energy. Including Coca Cola, or Tea and Coffee.

I think that taking drugs like Alcohol Heroin and Meth can easily be considered as being unethical, especially if abused. It's much easier to sympathise with people who use energy increasing drugs. Hallucinogenics are hard for other people to understand but I don't think that they are a bad thing. The most unethical practice however I think is giving anti-psychotic drugs liberally to children.

I also think that Hallucinogenics can have a positive effect on a society that possesses a culture that knows how to use them responsibly. However drugs like Alcohol Heroin and Meth always have a damaging effect on any society they are introduced to.

In fact I think that it is quite ignorant and uninformed for a person to suggest that Drugs are simply "bad" (hmkay). They are as much a phenomenon in this society as Music, Sex, or even War, and need to be treated separately and backed up by research.

BlackIsle_rip

reason why coffee and tea increase your heart rate AND constrict your blood vessels is because of caffiene.

Drugs if used safely and in moderation are great in my opinion.swizz-the-gamer

so they're like anythibg else then? :P

LSD...Acid...Creativity? Good? No, not good...Weed, euphoria, relaxation...Good stress relieving substance?...Clouds peoples judgement, makes them want to run and smoke a joint whenever stress hits...instead of improving themselves, weed makes them stay right where they are, instead of moving up in like. Not good.

I drink coffee and such, but its legal for a reason, it wont make me go out and kill people for drug money, it wont make me see things, it wont turn me into a vegetable, no, it will give me a good positive surge of energy. Its pathetic when drug users say: "Oh yeah, well, uh, what about the things you take? Huh? Coffee, Advil, huh huh yeah..."... Anything that is ILLEGAL is bad for a reason. Potheads like to drift off into their little wonderland thinking about when weed will be legalized and there will be little weed stores and weed gardens for them to indulge themselves in fail.

Your out of your mind if you think any drug that is Illegal is good.

Myrkan

actually, you do realize how often alcohol is stolen right??? the arguement that "it's legal for a reason" is pretty weak as alcohol isn't exactly good for well, anything.

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"]No one can understand what its like to be rollin if you've never taken ecstacy, no matter how much information is avaiable.kittykatz5k

I have severe migraines, with nausea and vomiting. People have said that not even hangovers are as bad as what I have.

The point? Yes I can understand, because I've felt it, and probably felt worse.

You can't have a jump without a fall. The only reason people get so screwed up is because they forget or were never told that this up has a down. I see no reason we should ignore such stuff as that.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

You can't have a jump without a fall. The only reason people get so screwed up is because they forget or were never told that this up has a down. I see no reason we should ignore such stuff as that.

AndrewSuh

The high seems to leave peoples memories a lot faster than the pain. Perhaps that's what leaves it so "undescribable".

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="AndrewSuh"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"]No one can understand what its like to be rollin if you've never taken ecstacy, no matter how much information is avaiable.AndrewSuh

I have severe migraines, with nausea and vomiting. People have said that not even hangovers are as bad as what I have.

The point? Yes I can understand, because I've felt it, and probably felt worse.

You can't have a jump without a fall. The only reason people get so screwed up is because they forget or were never told that this up has a down. I see no reason we should ignore such stuff as that.

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

You can't have a jump without a fall. The only reason people get so screwed up is because they forget or were never told that this up has a down. I see no reason we should ignore such stuff as that.

kittykatz5k

The high seems to leave peoples memories a lot faster than the pain. Perhaps that's what leaves it so "undescribable".

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="AndrewSuh"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"]No one can understand what its like to be rollin if you've never taken ecstacy, no matter how much information is avaiable.swizz-the-gamer

I have severe migraines, with nausea and vomiting. People have said that not even hangovers are as bad as what I have.

The point? Yes I can understand, because I've felt it, and probably felt worse.

You can't have a jump without a fall. The only reason people get so screwed up is because they forget or were never told that this up has a down. I see no reason we should ignore such stuff as that.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="AndrewSuh"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="AndrewSuh"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"]No one can understand what its like to be rollin if you've never taken ecstacy, no matter how much information is avaiable.wemhim

I have severe migraines, with nausea and vomiting. People have said that not even hangovers are as bad as what I have.

The point? Yes I can understand, because I've felt it, and probably felt worse.

You can't have a jump without a fall. The only reason people get so screwed up is because they forget or were never told that this up has a down. I see no reason we should ignore such stuff as that.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="AndrewSuh"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

You can't have a jump without a fall. The only reason people get so screwed up is because they forget or were never told that this up has a down. I see no reason we should ignore such stuff as that.

swizz-the-gamer

The high seems to leave peoples memories a lot faster than the pain. Perhaps that's what leaves it so "undescribable".

I never said it made you forget the night. I'm sure you remember what you ate for supper last night and everything just fine, though overdoses do cause that loss of memory from time to time.

I'm saying you forget the feeling of it.