Do you consider yourself patriotic?

No, it's a silly idea.

I cried standing 100ft away from the funeral of a soldier I didn't even know. Patriotism FTW

Hell yea I wake up to this song every morning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZD4ezDbbu4

patriotism is a way to stir up love for your fellw countrymen and in turn hatred toward everyone else. I have, always been, always will be a citizen of the world.

I indeed consider myself patriotic. I love my country.

patriotism is a way to stir up love for your fellw countrymen and in turn hatred toward everyone else. I have, always been, always will be a citizen of the world.

BossPerson

lol no Patriotism is an idiotic concept.scorch-62

Patriotism, PAH! Anything that people of my country can do, other nations are capable of doing just as well. I don't even like to identify myself as being of a particular nation because, if we are to consider what my country actually is supposed to represent (which it really doesn't), I am nothing like that despite being born here. LordXelNaga

I would even say I am nationalist (not american)HolyRomanEmpero

[QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"]I would even say I am nationalist (not american)Stavrogin_

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"]I would even say I am nationalist (not american)HolyRomanEmpero

[QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"] Based on this and the comment you made on the nicknames thread, i don't think you'll last too long here...Stavrogin_

So let's say it was Iran it wouldn't matter? Or any other muslim country?HolyRomanEmpero

It would reinforce his point, if anything.

[QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"]So let's say it was Iran it wouldn't matter? Or any other muslim country?airshocker

It would reinforce his point, if anything.

I think that the United States is the worst country in the world, except for every other one. I think that the "American People" in general are the most generous group of people (nation-wise) on the planet.I thinkwe have plenty of problems, but (as naive as this sounds) we will navigate our way through it (at least fortheforseeable future). I also think we have had plenty of successes along the way, and those are worth celebrating/contemplating. I guess, to answer the question, I consider myself patriotic.

Nah, i really dont like the way my country is developing right now

"Sort of" sums up my feelings pretty well. Talk s*** about my country and I'll get defensive, just like you would if the situation was reversed. So many people focus on everything that's bad, and as far as the good stuff - and there's a ton of it - they take that totally for granted. They seem to assume everyplace else in the world is A) completely innocent of everything our country is guilty of and B) every bit as nice a place to live as here.

Wrong.

Nah, I think its kind of stupid really. Being proud of being born on a certain piece of land by pure chance is a bit weird.

i would fight to protect freedoms, but i would not fight to protect the state in its current incarnation. i love the people of this nation, not the rulers.

Within reason. yes.

In the sense of wanting the best for my country and for it to be safe.

Not patriotic in the sense that we should all be afraid of each others shadows and every enemy that comes along is somehow the next big existential threat to the countries well being.

i would fight to protect freedoms, but i would not fight to protect the state in its current incarnation. i love the people of this nation, not the rulers.

Within reason. yes.

In the sense of wanting the best for my country and for it to be safe.

Not patriotic in the sense that we should all be afraid of each others shadows and every enemy that comes along is somehow the next big existential threat to the countries well being.

SaudiFury

I respect that, but I was just wondering why you would only want whats best for your country, why not whats best for the world as a whole? This is what I have a hard time understanding.

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Within reason. yes.

In the sense of wanting the best for my country and for it to be safe.

Not patriotic in the sense that we should all be afraid of each others shadows and every enemy that comes along is somehow the next big existential threat to the countries well being.

LuxInferior

I respect that, but I was just wondering why you would only want whats best for your country, why not whats best for the world as a whole? This is what I have a hard time understanding.

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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

Within reason. yes.

In the sense of wanting the best for my country and for it to be safe.

Not patriotic in the sense that we should all be afraid of each others shadows and every enemy that comes along is somehow the next big existential threat to the countries well being.

surrealnumber5

I respect that, but I was just wondering why you would only want whats best for your country, why not whats best for the world as a whole? This is what I have a hard time understanding.

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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

Within reason. yes.

In the sense of wanting the best for my country and for it to be safe.

Not patriotic in the sense that we should all be afraid of each others shadows and every enemy that comes along is somehow the next big existential threat to the countries well being.

surrealnumber5

I respect that, but I was just wondering why you would only want whats best for your country, why not whats best for the world as a whole? This is what I have a hard time understanding.

Yeah, I guess I just don't agree with making one nation suffer for the good of another. Why would you want that, when you could want whats best for the world though? I'm not saying that its as realistic a target to achieve atall, but surely thats the best possible outcome you could ask for?

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[QUOTE="LuxInferior"]

I respect that, but I was just wondering why you would only want whats best for your country, why not whats best for the world as a whole? This is what I have a hard time understanding.

Planet_Pluto

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[QUOTE="LuxInferior"]

I respect that, but I was just wondering why you would only want whats best for your country, why not whats best for the world as a whole? This is what I have a hard time understanding.

LuxInferior

Yeah, I guess I just don't agree with making one nation suffer for the good of another. Why would you want that, when you could want whats best for the world though? I'm not saying that its as realistic a target to achieve atall, but surely thats the best possible outcome you could ask for?

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] because what is good for me, and what i see as good for my country, may or may not be good for others and their county? that it is worse for the world as a whole and my county to force my way into other nations to overthrow their governments and prop up a puppet government more corrupt than the prior that will either fall when we leave or we will have to keep going back to "protect" our allies.... from their own population?

Yeah, I guess I just don't agree with making one nation suffer for the good of another. Why would you want that, when you could want whats best for the world though? I'm not saying that its as realistic a target to achieve atall, but surely thats the best possible outcome you could ask for?

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[QUOTE="LuxInferior"]

Yeah, I guess I just don't agree with making one nation suffer for the good of another. Why would you want that, when you could want whats best for the world though? I'm not saying that its as realistic a target to achieve atall, but surely thats the best possible outcome you could ask for?

HolyRomanEmpero

[QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] governments no matter how evil get their power from the people, only the people can successfully reform their nation, and it may or may not be in my countries interest for them to do so, its best for outside countries to keep their nose out of other countries internal affairs. i would hate for china to bomb new york to help the protesters the same way we did in Libya

For the most part, yes. But I've seen what idiocy can arise from extreme patriotism.

[QUOTE="LordXelNaga"]Patriotism, PAH! Anything that people of my country can do, other nations are capable of doing just as well. I don't even like to identify myself as being of a particular nation because, if we are to consider what my country actually is supposed to represent (which it really doesn't), I am nothing like that despite being born here. HolyRomanEmpero

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[QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"] 2 completely different situations reallyHolyRomanEmpero

[QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] not really. you may want to think one group is "better " than the other but both groups are against the status quo, and it would be a third party that is unknowing of the protest and protesters bombing the host nation.

surrealnumber5

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[QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"] Libya is/was a brutal dictatorship, there protests was met with tanks, bombs etc and the protesters(which represented quiete a big part of libyan society from what I know) requested outside help. Nothing of this is true in the US. Worth mentioning also is that the OWS is just a bunch of douchebags.HolyRomanEmpero

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

Within reason. yes.

In the sense of wanting the best for my country and for it to be safe.

Not patriotic in the sense that we should all be afraid of each others shadows and every enemy that comes along is somehow the next big existential threat to the countries well being.

LuxInferior

I respect that, but I was just wondering why you would only want whats best for your country, why not whats best for the world as a whole? This is what I have a hard time understanding.

the damage being done against the well-being of the ows protesters is nothing compared to damage (killing, torture, rape) being done to arab protesters. If nypd and national guard started killing hundreds, thousands of ows protesters though, then i wouldnt mind britain, france, stepping in (but that would never happen,)

With X-million Mexican citizens entering the United States illegally (presumably to seek out a better life), insane corruption, drug lords wreaking havoc.... wouldn't it be in Mexico's interest and better for 'the world' if the United States annexed Mexico?Planet_Pluto

I really hope you are being sarcastic when you say it would be in Mexico's interest to accept annexation, without, at the very least, considering other options that don't involve a total revocation of sovereignty.

emphasis because wat on earth

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]With X-million Mexican citizens entering the United States illegally (presumably to seek out a better life), insane corruption, drug lords wreaking havoc.... wouldn't it be in Mexico's interest and better for 'the world' if the United States annexed Mexico?T_P_O

I really hope you are being sarcastic when you say it would be in Mexico's interest to accept annexation, without, at the very least, considering other options that don't involve a total revocation of sovereignty.

emphasis because wat on earth

But on a more serious note, I think some people are a little bit naive when they talk about "what is good for the world." In orderfor one nation to be "good" towards or for others requiresa partnership on both sides. Sort of like when people say that the US should unilaterally disarm/dispose of all of our neclear weapons. Just because we do it, does not mean other, less well intentioned nations would do the same.

Now, I'm not saying that the US (or any nation) shouldn't be "good neighbors," but we shouldn't try to view the world through rose colored glasses.

EDIT: Regarding my previous somewhat joking post, I didn't mean to imply that we would seek Mexico's permission or seek their blessing. If we wanted to do what was best for Mexico, we would take over. There are microchasms of that happening here in the States. "They" don't like people being fat, so some areas ban restaurants from using transfats and are seeking to dictate how much salt can be used in prepared meals. What about the sovereignty of the individual business owner? Some school districts ban parents from preparing their childrens' lunches. What about the sovereignty of parents?

Yes, I was being sarchastic.Planet_Pluto

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]Yes, I was being sarchastic.T_P_O