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Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.dlindenb2000
Agreed. I believe to truly feel alive one must become intimate with the realization of death.
everyone here is acting all tough saying they arent afraid to die...ill be honest...i am....and i can guarantee if someone put a gun to everyones head they would be scared of dyingSerial-No_3404No, not really, I'm scared of pain. Bullets to the head don't hurt. I'm not tough at all either. If someone kicked me in the balls I'd probably cry, if someone called me ugly I'd probably feel bad for the next three months. But if someone wanted to end my life in a second, fine.
[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.wemhimSo suicide is fiction?
[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.dlindenb2000So suicide is fiction?
[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.wemhimSo suicide is fiction?
[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.dlindenb2000So suicide is fiction?
[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.wemhimSo suicide is fiction?
[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.dlindenb2000So suicide is fiction?
[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.dlindenb2000So suicide is fiction?
For the sake of clarification, you may as well assume that those who say they don't live in fear are referring to the idea of death, not the transition from life to death. The reason I don't necessarily fear death is because of the fact that I would rather die than have to live on this planet forever, because immortality would be hell to me. I am misanthropic, bi-polar, and paranoid; I don't like the idea of having to be around people forever, hence I like the idea that I don't have to, and I can just die. I could die tomorrow, and I wouldn't care, because if I die, then I won't be alive to care about the superficialities of life that people feel the need to experience. There's plenty of things I want to do in life, but because I don't believe that I'll be in an afterlife, or anything for that matter, it means that the common denominator of life is automatically defaulted to nothing, hence there is no need to assume that anything truly matters. But that virtue, you could say that death is true freedom.
The transition from life to death usually involves suffering, and as you said before, it is the fear of pain and suffering that drives people away from death because of the instinct to survive. Some people think about that first before thinking about being dead. In the instance by which people say they aren't afraid, they're probably talking about being dead, and contrary-wise, those who say they are, are most likely referring to the transition.
So suicide is fiction?[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.Blood-Scribe
For the sake of clarification, you may as well assume that those who say they don't live in fear are referring to the idea of death, not the transition from life to death. The reason I don't necessarily fear death is because of the fact that I would rather die than have to live on this planet forever, because immortality would be hell to me. I am misanthropic, bi-polar, and paranoid; I don't like the idea of having to be around people forever, hence I like the idea that I don't have to, and I can just die. I could die tomorrow, and I wouldn't care, because if I die, then I won't be alive to care about the superficiality of life that people feel the need to experience. There's plenty of things I want to do in life, but because I don't believe that I'll be in an afterlife, or anything for that matter, it means that the common denominator of life is automatically defaulted to nothing, hence there is no need to assume that anything truly matters. But that virtue, you could say that death is true freedom.
The transition from life to death usually involves suffering, and as you said before, it is the fear of pain and suffering that drives people away from death because of the instinct to survive. Some people think about that first before thinking about being dead. In the instance by which people say they aren't afraid, they're probably talking about being dead, and contrary-wise, those who say they are, are most likely referring to the transition.
Agreed. I fear pain more than anything. I fear getting stabbed in the stomach. I wouldn't be scared if someone said, "You're going to die in your sleep because I'm going to release tons of Nitrogen into the air".[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.wemhimSo suicide is fiction?
If you think of death like sleep, that is why you don't fear it.
Possibly. The thing is, I SOMETIMES fear it, but as of now, yesterday, and probably tomorrow. I don't, I am however, in certain moods(Rarely) where I do. But I overall, I'm pretty content with it. Although, that's only for a few minutes where it bothers me. So, fearing death would be when I'm in a weird mood, but as my normal self, I'm content with death. Which is opposite to most people.If you think of death like sleep, that is why you don't fear it.
Manly-manly-man
So suicide is fiction?[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.Blood-Scribe
For the sake of clarification, you may as well assume that those who say they don't live in fear are referring to the idea of death, not the transition from life to death. The reason I don't necessarily fear death is because of the fact that I would rather die than have to live on this planet forever, because immortality would be hell to me. I am misanthropic, bi-polar, and paranoid; I don't like the idea of having to be around people forever, hence I like the idea that I don't have to, and I can just die. I could die tomorrow, and I wouldn't care, because if I die, then I won't be alive to care about the superficialities of life that people feel the need to experience. There's plenty of things I want to do in life, but because I don't believe that I'll be in an afterlife, or anything for that matter, it means that the common denominator of life is automatically defaulted to nothing, hence there is no need to assume that anything truly matters. But that virtue, you could say that death is true freedom.
The transition from life to death usually involves suffering, and as you said before, it is the fear of pain and suffering that drives people away from death because of the instinct to survive. Some people think about that first before thinking about being dead. In the instance by which people say they aren't afraid, they're probably talking about being dead, and contrary-wise, those who say they are, are most likely referring to the transition.
Except for a good chunk of people who actually think about what happens after death and not the transition, and are more scared by that then by the pain.
So suicide is fiction?[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.Blood-Scribe
For the sake of clarification, you may as well assume that those who say they don't live in fear are referring to the idea of death, not the transition from life to death. The reason I don't necessarily fear death is because of the fact that I would rather die than have to live on this planet forever, because immortality would be hell to me. I am misanthropic, bi-polar, and paranoid; I don't like the idea of having to be around people forever, hence I like the idea that I don't have to, and I can just die. I could die tomorrow, and I wouldn't care, because if I die, then I won't be alive to care about the superficialities of life that people feel the need to experience. There's plenty of things I want to do in life, but because I don't believe that I'll be in an afterlife, or anything for that matter, it means that the common denominator of life is automatically defaulted to nothing, hence there is no need to assume that anything truly matters. But that virtue, you could say that death is true freedom.
The transition from life to death usually involves suffering, and as you said before, it is the fear of pain and suffering that drives people away from death because of the instinct to survive. Some people think about that first before thinking about being dead. In the instance by which people say they aren't afraid, they're probably talking about being dead, and contrary-wise, those who say they are, are most likely referring to the transition.
Hmm. See that scares me more then death itself. As what happens after death is the true unknown. I would rather live in intolerable pain for all eternity then to not exist.Though, I suppose, those who think they know what happens after the end, whether it is Heaven/Hell, or nothing. Those who believe beyond all doubt they know what happens, they may have little fear of it. As thats the basis for all religion in the world, to bring comfort to the idea of what happens after death. But there is always the smallest sliver of doubt in even the most resolute.
[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]So suicide is fiction?[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.Manly-manly-man
For the sake of clarification, you may as well assume that those who say they don't live in fear are referring to the idea of death, not the transition from life to death. The reason I don't necessarily fear death is because of the fact that I would rather die than have to live on this planet forever, because immortality would be hell to me. I am misanthropic, bi-polar, and paranoid; I don't like the idea of having to be around people forever, hence I like the idea that I don't have to, and I can just die. I could die tomorrow, and I wouldn't care, because if I die, then I won't be alive to care about the superficialities of life that people feel the need to experience. There's plenty of things I want to do in life, but because I don't believe that I'll be in an afterlife, or anything for that matter, it means that the common denominator of life is automatically defaulted to nothing, hence there is no need to assume that anything truly matters. But that virtue, you could say that death is true freedom.
The transition from life to death usually involves suffering, and as you said before, it is the fear of pain and suffering that drives people away from death because of the instinct to survive. Some people think about that first before thinking about being dead. In the instance by which people say they aren't afraid, they're probably talking about being dead, and contrary-wise, those who say they are, are most likely referring to the transition.
Except for a good chunk of people who actually think about what happens after death and not the transition, and are more scared by that then by the pain.
In which case it would be a conflicting set of beliefs. I try to abstain from holding beliefs for personal reasons, but I don't like the idea of living life in fear of what is after life. I'd rather live life and die when I either feel like it, or I get killed by something. Either way, I don't care.
True. I view death as the perfect life. You have a net-worth of infinity, unlimited amount of sex, any food you want, no pain, all the games, all the movies, all the TV, all the friends you want, pretty much perfection. Of course, I don't think all these things happen, not at all. But, what I do feel is this, we don't desire these things, thus, we are satisfied... Because we have no desires. That's the way I see it. That's why I am an optimist in a way. You can be given the worst life, but death, in my opinion, is perfection.ood chunk of people who actually think about what happens after death and not the transition, and are more scared by that then by the pain.
Manly-manly-man
[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]So suicide is fiction?[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Everyone fears death, it is part of being alive, it is our basic instinct to survive as long as we can, and we will do anything to that end. If we did not fear death, nothing would be alive.dlindenb2000
For the sake of clarification, you may as well assume that those who say they don't live in fear are referring to the idea of death, not the transition from life to death. The reason I don't necessarily fear death is because of the fact that I would rather die than have to live on this planet forever, because immortality would be hell to me. I am misanthropic, bi-polar, and paranoid; I don't like the idea of having to be around people forever, hence I like the idea that I don't have to, and I can just die. I could die tomorrow, and I wouldn't care, because if I die, then I won't be alive to care about the superficialities of life that people feel the need to experience. There's plenty of things I want to do in life, but because I don't believe that I'll be in an afterlife, or anything for that matter, it means that the common denominator of life is automatically defaulted to nothing, hence there is no need to assume that anything truly matters. But that virtue, you could say that death is true freedom.
The transition from life to death usually involves suffering, and as you said before, it is the fear of pain and suffering that drives people away from death because of the instinct to survive. Some people think about that first before thinking about being dead. In the instance by which people say they aren't afraid, they're probably talking about being dead, and contrary-wise, those who say they are, are most likely referring to the transition.
Hmm. See that scares me more then death itself. As what happens after death is the true unknown. I would rather live in intolerable pain for all eternity then to not exist.Though, I suppose, those who think they know what happens after the end, whether it is Heaven/Hell, or nothing. Those who believe beyond all doubt they know what happens, they may have little fear of it. As thats the basis for all religion in the world, to bring comfort to the idea of what happens after death. But there is always the smallest sliver of doubt in even the most resolute.
Really? No thanks, I'd much rather be gone from this world than to live every second in agony forever.
[QUOTE="Rekunta"]I personally don't see any bad points of nothingness.Really? No thanks, I'd much rather be gone from this world than to live every second in agony forever.
wemhim
Yeah, because a loss of self-awareness a lack of existence essentially means you are free from the constraints of the fragility of the human mind, thus you are completely devoid of pain and selfish desire.
[QUOTE="Rekunta"]I personally don't see any bad points of nothingness.Really? No thanks, I'd much rather be gone from this world than to live every second in agony forever.
wemhim
There aren't really any good things either. That's probably why they call it "nothingness." Not bad or good.
[QUOTE="Rekunta"]I personally don't see any bad points of nothingness.Really? No thanks, I'd much rather be gone from this world than to live every second in agony forever.
wemhim
Me neither. I tend towards reincarnation, but would have no trouble with nothingness at all.
It took me awhile to be satisfied with that idea, because dying would still scare me even though I knew it would result in happiness(From my perspective, of course, I could be wrong, but I am convinced), but after awhile I realized that losing everything I have can't be so bad. People go blind, go deaf, lose taste, lose smelling, the you lose feel, then thought, that's all it is really. You can't see bad things, can't taste bad things, can't think of bad things, can't smell bad things, can't feel bad things, and can't hear bad things. Thus, there is no negativity. Of course, I could just get owned and go to hell...But I'm pretty convinced of my judgement.Yeah, because a loss of self-awareness a lack of existence essentially means you are free from the constraints of the fragility of the human mind, thus you are completely devoid of pain and selfish desire.
Blood-Scribe
[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]I personally don't see any bad points of nothingness.Really? No thanks, I'd much rather be gone from this world than to live every second in agony forever.
Rekunta
Me neither. I tend towards reincarnation, but would have no trouble with nothingness at all.
Both sound awesome to me. I guess that's why death doesn't really scare me. Since nothingness is what I'm pretty sure of, and it sounds fine for me, great. Reincarnation is probably my second guess. Which sounds good also. I personally, am an optimist in that I believe whatever happens, it will be what we would have wanted. I like nothingness, so if that happens, I'm sure it's great, if heaven is the future, I'm sure I'll be happy too. I think whatever happens will be the best thing you could achieve. Of course, I could be wrong and go to hell...[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]I personally don't see any bad points of nothingness.Really? No thanks, I'd much rather be gone from this world than to live every second in agony forever.
Dracargen
There aren't really any good things either. That's probably why they call it "nothingness." Not bad or good.
True. But for their to be a good there has to be a bad in my opinion. I think it's only possible to suffer and enjoy life, or to have nothing, I don't believe in absolute joyness, I think it must be accompanied by suffering at times.[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]It took me awhile to be satisfied with that idea, because dying would still scare me even though I knew it would result in happiness(From my perspective, of course, I could be wrong, but I am convinced), but after awhile I realized that losing everything I have can't be so bad. People go blind, go deaf, lose taste, lose smelling, the you lose feel, then thought, that's all it is really. You can't see bad things, can't taste bad things, can't think of bad things, can't smell bad things, can't feel bad things, and can't hear bad things. Thus, there is no negativity. Of course, I could just get owned and go to hell...But I'm pretty convinced of my judgement.Yeah, because a loss of self-awareness a lack of existence essentially means you are free from the constraints of the fragility of the human mind, thus you are completely devoid of pain and selfish desire.
wemhim
Well, as I have learned from the 16 years that I have been alive, nothing can really be said to an absolute degree of certainty, so that's part of why I choose not to hold beliefs, just opinions and thoughts. I remember thinking about how horrible it would be to die when I was younger, because at a young age, death is usually portrayed as a horrible thing that you must avoid if at all possible.
The ideas and mannerisms of Christianity concerning death are what gave me my initial fears as I was growing up, but after dwelling upon such ideas and concepts for a number of years now, I have found that there's no reason to believe that anything holds a true amount of value, lives being included. On a subjective level of thinking, you could easily say that everything holds its worth, but when you hold all things in relevance to reality, you'll find that it is all expendable in the end, so that's how I came to the conclusion that nothing really matters.
Part of that is why I don't believe in anything, because believing is what gives a false sense of certainty, in contrast to the fact that nothing is certain, for we are but human. But whenever I talk about such things to other people who aren't as unusual as me or my friends, they usually scoff at me and call me crazy, so that's part of why I am misanthropic. I just flat out don't trust people, and I loathe the pretentiousness of humanity.
But it's funny that this is brought up today, because I was discussing it with my friend, and when I told him about my ideas on why I don't like beliefs, he responded with this: "It is good that you realize that, because there's no reason to be certain about anything, because you can only see things the way you see them. Any real genius would know that, because only a true genius would realize that he in fact knows nothing at all."
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