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#51 joao_22990
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Nope. Centralized power and all that.
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#52 T_P_O
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That depends on how well organised it is. If we're talking about just a central "world" government calling all the shots, then no, that would be highly ineffective and probably end up abolished by the people.

If we're talking about a federal system, whereby authority is shared by a Global, Continental and then National governments (from where you get to regional, local, etc). Then perhaps I may consider. I'd still like for the Global government to have some authority of its own, but largely, it shouldn't interfere where National/Continental levels of government can make a better informed decision on the issue.

But yeah, I'm going to say not in my lifetime, there's too many differences in cultures for the whole of humanity to ever agree on a worldwide government, nevermind reach a consensus on issues if they do manage to establish one.

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#53 pianist
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As an internationalist, I wouldn't mind it at all if there were more unity amongst the various nations of the world. But I'm not sure if a one-world government is the best way to go when it comes to international unity, seeing as I don't think that the world is ready for a one-world government just yet.

-Sun_Tzu-

That's pretty much my stance. And we're certainly not ready for it yet. But I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this idea provided that the world's population eventually finds itself close enough in ideals to make it work. We work better when we work together, so the more of us that are willing to work together for common goals, the better.

I still voted no, though, because this isn't going to be realistic in my lifetime. Unifying the ENTIRE globe probably won't be realistic for centuries given that some societies are still hundreds of years behind the modern era in terms of ideology, but unlike many, I don't think it's impossible that this will happen at some point in the future, nor do I feel it would be the "end of the world," as certain others claim. One thing is certain, though - we need the technology to back the idea up if it's going to work. A planet is a big, complex entity, and governing it effectively would require a vastly better developed global technological infrastructure than we currently have.

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#54 Atheists_Pwn
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

As an internationalist, I wouldn't mind it at all if there were more unity amongst the various nations of the world. But I'm not sure if a one-world government is the best way to go when it comes to international unity, seeing as I don't think that the world is ready for a one-world government just yet.

pianist

That's pretty much my stance. And we're certainly not ready for it yet. But I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this idea provided that the world's population eventually finds itself close enough in ideals to make it work. We work better when we work together, so the more of us that are willing to work together for common goals, the better.

I still voted no, though, because this isn't going to be realistic in my lifetime. Unifying the ENTIRE globe probably won't be realistic for centuries given that some societies are still hundreds of years behind the modern era in terms of ideology, but unlike many, I don't think it's impossible that this will happen at some point in the future, nor do I feel it would be the "end of the world," as certain others claim. One thing is certain, though - we need the technology to back the idea up if it's going to work. A planet is a big, complex entity, and governing it effectively would require a vastly better developed global technological infrastructure than we currently have.

I think a one world government is the only way to effectively stop the inequality and abuse in the southern hemisphere. We control them, when it should be equal.
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Of course not. Freedom and peace wouldn't be possible if we had one government, one president, one main court and so on. There are only two ways it could end:

a) most of the population becomes enslaved and, therefore, we live seeing only propaganda saying everything is fine. This lasts till our generation (and few next ones) dies and people who are born believe that everything is fine since they don't know any other life (neither from their own experience, nor from other people's tales).

b) the population doesn't become enslaved which leads directly to the mass-scale catastrophe. Many wars happen, people lie, kill and are killed for the promise of freedom. At one point, the world is almost extinct.

Both scenarios are terrifying and bad. Therefore, I don't support global . Beauty lies in diversity. However, there might be a situation in which world government is unavoidable - I mean: if we discover the non-Earth civilization, we'll HAVE TO unite since the world as we know won't be able to confront anything from outside.

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#56 pianist
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It would be difficult. Looking at the United Kingdom, for example, they are already extremely insecure about being in the European Union, thinking that they will lose their sovereignty and other such nonsense.

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Change comes slowly to people because they're afraid of it. The city states of Italy probably had the same concerns before unification, but eventually it happened, and Italy is stronger for it. Same deal with Germany's history. We work better in collectives, and we work better when more of us are aligned with the same ideals. If the world found itself in a position where a global government would actually work it would be a very good thing, because it would mean that the vast majority of the global population was willing to cooperate towards common goals and ideals. And just like the city states of Italy, the sum would be greater than the parts.

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#57 pianist
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I think a one world government is the only way to effectively stop the inequality and abuse in the southern hemisphere. We control them, when it should be equal.Atheists_Pwn

Yes. But here's the ironic part - in today's world, a one world government would not have that effect. In fact, it would more likely be a system in which the desires of a very small part of the world's population were satisfied at the expense of everyone else. Simply put, we aren't ready for it now. The only one world government we would see in this day and age would be a dictatorship. In fact, we came dangerously close to that frightening prospect just a few decades ago.

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Hahaha no. Can you imagine universal laws for say England and Somali? Not gonna happen. There may be a more powerful version of the UN in the future tying all governments together, but it won't be like a single government.
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Of course not. Freedom and peace wouldn't be possible if we had one government, one president, one main court and so on. There are only two ways it could end:

a) most of the population becomes enslaved and, therefore, we live seeing only propaganda saying everything is fine. This lasts till our generation (and few next ones) dies and people who are born believe that everything is fine since they don't know any other life (neither from their own experience, nor from other people's tales).

b) the population doesn't become enslaved which leads directly to the mass-scale catastrophe. Many wars happen, people lie, kill and are killed for the promise of freedom. At one point, the world is almost extinct.

Both scenarios are terrifying and bad. Therefore, I don't support global . Beauty lies in diversity. However, there might be a situation in which world government is unavoidable - I mean: if we discover the non-Earth civilization, we'll HAVE TO unite since the world as we know won't be able to confront anything from outside.

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Theres really no indication that a one world government would be that way. For all you know, it could be very loose and democratic
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[QUOTE="Tigro_PL"]

Of course not. Freedom and peace wouldn't be possible if we had one government, one president, one main court and so on. There are only two ways it could end:

a) most of the population becomes enslaved and, therefore, we live seeing only propaganda saying everything is fine. This lasts till our generation (and few next ones) dies and people who are born believe that everything is fine since they don't know any other life (neither from their own experience, nor from other people's tales).

b) the population doesn't become enslaved which leads directly to the mass-scale catastrophe. Many wars happen, people lie, kill and are killed for the promise of freedom. At one point, the world is almost extinct.

Both scenarios are terrifying and bad. Therefore, I don't support global . Beauty lies in diversity. However, there might be a situation in which world government is unavoidable - I mean: if we discover the non-Earth civilization, we'll HAVE TO unite since the world as we know won't be able to confront anything from outside.

Atheists_Pwn
Theres really no indication that a one world government would be that way. For all you know, it could be very loose and democratic

There is no way one world government would be realistically able to please the entirety of the people. It's like world peace....a concept that will never come to fruition.
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#61 MrLions
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It would benefit us but......it would suck
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#62 Ensamheten
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Every step closer to France and Italyis a step closer to apocalypse. EU is enough ofworld governance. Invite Japan(technology), South Korea(technology), Turkey(manpower), Norway(oil) and Schweiz then close all trade boarders and everything would be perfect.

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#63 CRS98
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Yes, but society is clearly not ready for it, paranoia and all.
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#64 n00bkid
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definitely not.
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#65 Alter_Echo
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No. Having divided government from region to region is so embedded in culture at this point. It doesnt matter who takes the lead, someone is going to have to follow and im betting alot of people who are currently leading a country would not be willing to.

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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]It would be difficult. Looking at the United Kingdom, for example, they are already extremely insecure about being in the European Union, thinking that they will lose their sovereignty and other such nonsense.pianist
Change comes slowly to people because they're afraid of it. The city states of Italy probably had the same concerns before unification, but eventually it happened, and Italy is stronger for it. Same deal with Germany's history. We work better in collectives, and we work better when more of us are aligned with the same ideals. If the world found itself in a position where a global government would actually work it would be a very good thing, because it would mean that the vast majority of the global population was willing to cooperate towards common goals and ideals. And just like the city states of Italy, the sum would be greater than the parts.

That was excellent. I am keeping that for the next time someone says "UK and Europe" for it drives me nuts!

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#67 Atheists_Pwn
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Tigro_PL"]

Of course not. Freedom and peace wouldn't be possible if we had one government, one president, one main court and so on. There are only two ways it could end:

a) most of the population becomes enslaved and, therefore, we live seeing only propaganda saying everything is fine. This lasts till our generation (and few next ones) dies and people who are born believe that everything is fine since they don't know any other life (neither from their own experience, nor from other people's tales).

b) the population doesn't become enslaved which leads directly to the mass-scale catastrophe. Many wars happen, people lie, kill and are killed for the promise of freedom. At one point, the world is almost extinct.

Both scenarios are terrifying and bad. Therefore, I don't support global . Beauty lies in diversity. However, there might be a situation in which world government is unavoidable - I mean: if we discover the non-Earth civilization, we'll HAVE TO unite since the world as we know won't be able to confront anything from outside.

LJS9502_basic
Theres really no indication that a one world government would be that way. For all you know, it could be very loose and democratic

There is no way one world government would be realistically able to please the entirety of the people. It's like world peace....a concept that will never come to fruition.

You cant really prove that
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I dont support being told what to do by anyone, i m a communist ( A REAL COMMUNIST )
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Theres really no indication that a one world government would be that way. For all you know, it could be very loose and democraticAtheists_Pwn

If it were loose - it would be bad. If it were democratic - even worse.

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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]Theres really no indication that a one world government would be that way. For all you know, it could be very loose and democraticTigro_PL

If it were loose - it would be bad. If it were democratic - even worse.

Democratic is good Loose is good, because then its not a dictatorship as you fear. Democracy is a good thing.
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#71 Diablo112688
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We can not live in peace or even close to certain ideals because there are so many people... we are already screwed as it is. If this actually comes to be it will most likely be a disaster... We can not even govern properly as it is.
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#72 hamstergeddon
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[QUOTE="Tigro_PL"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]Theres really no indication that a one world government would be that way. For all you know, it could be very loose and democraticAtheists_Pwn

If it were loose - it would be bad. If it were democratic - even worse.

Democratic is good Loose is good, because then its not a dictatorship as you fear. Democracy is a good thing.

haha try having a democracy in a whole world-nation. Everybody would just vote in accordance with their own people's views so therefore the country with the biggest population would get its way every time. Just like in modern day Iraq, or any African democracy, where everybody just votes strictly along ethnic lines
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] haha try having a democracy in a whole world-nation. Everybody would just vote in accordance with their own people's views so therefore the country with the biggest population would get its way every time. Just like in modern day Iraq, or any African democracy, where everybody just votes strictly along ethnic lines

that doesnt make sense. the country with the biggest population would have to be at least 51% of the population, and we can actually still have regional democracy(kind of like a federalist system). You need to have equality in order to break down those prejudices.
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#74 Tigro_PL
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[QUOTE="Tigro_PL"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]Theres really no indication that a one world government would be that way. For all you know, it could be very loose and democraticAtheists_Pwn

If it were loose - it would be bad. If it were democratic - even worse.

Democratic is good Loose is good, because then its not a dictatorship as you fear. Democracy is a good thing.

A form of government in which 50%+1 makes the rest of the people just a worthless mass without any significance is a good thing. You're so right.

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The idea is appealing, but inflation makes it completely impossible.
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#76 PBSnipes
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If we could get it to work, yes. But that's one hell of a big if.

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#77 Link256
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As others have said, it's not realistic, so no.

If and when it's realistic, then yes.

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#78 deactivated-5f1dda6571ed7
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well have have the IMF and the UN, not a big fan so no
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Only if that government is started fresh with young people who's IQ exceeds pass 160. And these individuals are also sent through multiple tests to ensure they are sane and won't try anything that will have the general public rebel..... But it will take so many years to get the world in order if that happens. I see things getting worse no matter how I look at it....
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Theres really no indication that a one world government would be that way. For all you know, it could be very loose and democratic

There is no way one world government would be realistically able to please the entirety of the people. It's like world peace....a concept that will never come to fruition.

You cant really prove that

Look at history.....
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[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]It would be difficult. Looking at the United Kingdom, for example, they are already extremely insecure about being in the European Union, thinking that they will lose their sovereignty and other such nonsense.Hexagon_777

Change comes slowly to people because they're afraid of it. The city states of Italy probably had the same concerns before unification, but eventually it happened, and Italy is stronger for it. Same deal with Germany's history. We work better in collectives, and we work better when more of us are aligned with the same ideals. If the world found itself in a position where a global government would actually work it would be a very good thing, because it would mean that the vast majority of the global population was willing to cooperate towards common goals and ideals. And just like the city states of Italy, the sum would be greater than the parts.

That was excellent. I am keeping that for the next time someone says "UK and Europe" for it drives me nuts!

There are examples of it not working as well...see the British empire and the Roman empire for some failures.
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[QUOTE="LJ"] Look at history.....

What specifically would you like me to look at?
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJ"] Look at history.....

What specifically would you like me to look at?

Humanity and the actions therein......
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJ"] Look at history.....

What specifically would you like me to look at?

Humanity and the actions therein......

Doesnt really answer anything
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Nah it wont last if we somehow get it.
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Good idea or not, it really doesn't matter. It won't be happening.

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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] What specifically would you like me to look at?

Humanity and the actions therein......

Doesnt really answer anything

Then I can't help you. All you need do is study the history of humans to see how well they work together. You can also see what happened to the two biggest examples of empire building....Britain and Roman. Neither empire is in existence now.
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Humanity and the actions therein......LJS9502_basic
Doesnt really answer anything

Then I can't help you. All you need do is study the history of humans to see how well they work together. You can also see what happened to the two biggest examples of empire building....Britain and Roman. Neither empire is in existence now.

a modern world government probably wouldnt be an empire ran by an emperor or monarch whose economy is largely based upon war.
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no... to me that would be stupid

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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Doesnt really answer anything

Then I can't help you. All you need do is study the history of humans to see how well they work together. You can also see what happened to the two biggest examples of empire building....Britain and Roman. Neither empire is in existence now.

a modern world government probably wouldnt be an empire ran by an emperor or monarch whose economy is largely based upon war.

Has nothing to do with who runs it. Has to do with logistics, divergent ideas, opposing goals......
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Then I can't help you. All you need do is study the history of humans to see how well they work together. You can also see what happened to the two biggest examples of empire building....Britain and Roman. Neither empire is in existence now.LJS9502_basic
a modern world government probably wouldnt be an empire ran by an emperor or monarch whose economy is largely based upon war.

Has nothing to do with who runs it. Has to do with logistics, divergent ideas, opposing goals......

and who runs it, among other things.
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#92 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] a modern world government probably wouldnt be an empire ran by an emperor or monarch whose economy is largely based upon war.

Has nothing to do with who runs it. Has to do with logistics, divergent ideas, opposing goals......

and who runs it, among other things.

No...the running is not the issue. There is no person or persons that will please everyone anyway.
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Has nothing to do with who runs it. Has to do with logistics, divergent ideas, opposing goals......LJS9502_basic
and who runs it, among other things.

No...the running is not the issue. There is no person or persons that will please everyone anyway.

the system depends on who runs it because that ultimately decides how it operates. masses act and think differently than individuals
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#94 fat_rob
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A one government world would suck . . . plus it will probably split as disagreements arise.
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#95 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] and who runs it, among other things.

No...the running is not the issue. There is no person or persons that will please everyone anyway.

the system depends on who runs it because that ultimately decides how it operates. masses act and think differently than individuals

And again....everyone would not agree. Thus civil wars would ensue and independence would slowly occur.
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#96 fat_rob
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] and who runs it, among other things.

No...the running is not the issue. There is no person or persons that will please everyone anyway.

the system depends on who runs it because that ultimately decides how it operates. masses act and think differently than individuals

How do masses think? Masses are made up of individuals . . . only individuals think, act, and choose. Individuals do tend to fall victim to "mob" mentality, but nonetheless it is the individual that chooses.
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#97 Atheists_Pwn
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...the running is not the issue. There is no person or persons that will please everyone anyway.LJS9502_basic
the system depends on who runs it because that ultimately decides how it operates. masses act and think differently than individuals

And again....everyone would not agree. Thus civil wars would ensue and independence would slowly occur.

first of all, that positive claim is impossible to prove one way or the other. second, we dont need a government that takes over in every instance. we can have a federation that ensures basic human rights and very strong economic integration.
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#98 Atheists_Pwn
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...the running is not the issue. There is no person or persons that will please everyone anyway.fat_rob
the system depends on who runs it because that ultimately decides how it operates. masses act and think differently than individuals

How do masses think? Masses are made up of individuals . . . only individuals think, act, and choose. Individuals do tend to fall victim to "mob" mentality, but nonetheless it is the individual that chooses.

When people are in groups they tend to think and act differently than they do if they were either alone, or solely had power. its part of being a social animal you could say
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#99 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] the system depends on who runs it because that ultimately decides how it operates. masses act and think differently than individuals

And again....everyone would not agree. Thus civil wars would ensue and independence would slowly occur.

first of all, that positive claim is impossible to prove one way or the other. second, we dont need a government that takes over in every instance. we can have a federation that ensures basic human rights and very strong economic integration.

Well as I stated earlier if you want to see how humans interact...study history.
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#100 Atheists_Pwn
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And again....everyone would not agree. Thus civil wars would ensue and independence would slowly occur.LJS9502_basic
first of all, that positive claim is impossible to prove one way or the other. second, we dont need a government that takes over in every instance. we can have a federation that ensures basic human rights and very strong economic integration.

Well as I stated earlier if you want to see how humans interact...study history.

What if I come to a different conclusion than you are at?