do you think a ged is that much different than a high school diploma?

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Do you think a ged is that much different than a high school diploma? I dont think its that much different. They both get you into college.They both can get you into harvard.I think the only different is its harder to join the military if you have a ged. You have to go to college then you can get into the military.Im going for my ged then im gonna go to college. Wont be hard to surpass most of my graduating class.

Maybe by me not graduating I didnt have any kids,so im ahead of what I would have been if I had graduated.

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#2 Brozekial
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They are equal pieces of paper, but when you've got the GED, potential employers and schools view you differently. They won't just give you admission or a job just like that, they want to find out why you didn't finish school because they're probably assuming your irresponsibility. Trust me, I know. I've got a GED. But thankfully I'm in college now and don't really have to tell anyone.
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yes for military i think it still hasn't changed. but as for jobs they are both equally worthless.

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#4 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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It is looked down on.

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#5 LJS9502_basic
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I do...can't speak for others though.
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#6 Kinthalis
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In order to get a GED you essentially need to pass a test at a level that indicates that you know the subject matter better than some 80% of High School graduates.

In other words, a GED is proof that you didn't just skate out of High School, where as a High School Diploma doesn't tell you anything about what you actually know.

The only thing it might affect is your College choices. But worse comes to worse you cna go to a decent state college, get good grades and transfer to a better university.

In terms of jobs, it doesn't matter.

No job that will take someone without a college degree will care what you have.

And if you have a college degree no one cares what happenned in High School.

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They are equal pieces of paper, but when you've got the GED, potential employers and schools view you differently. They won't just give you admission or a job just like that, they want to find out why you didn't finish school because they're probably assuming your irresponsibility. Trust me, I know. I've got a GED. But thankfully I'm in college now and don't really have to tell anyone.Brozekial
I dont think jobs that look down on ged are the ones that require a degree.Yeah you got to have some way to prove you can do good in college. So im going to my local 2 year college first then transfer to a good university.

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It is different, but at least you went back and finished your education.
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They both can get you into harvard.

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Do you know of anyone who has done this?
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

They both can get you into harvard.

xaos

Do you know of anyone who has done this?

Probably people going to law school because they dont look beyond what you did in college.

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#11 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

They both can get you into harvard.

slipknot0129

Do you know of anyone who has done this?

Probably people going to law school because they dont look beyond what you did in college.

Harvard? I think they look at more than just college.
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In Canada, you can't get into university with a GED, not sure about college. At least that's what I understand, maybe I've been lied to, I don't have a GED so I wouldn't know
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] Do you know of anyone who has done this?LJS9502_basic

Probably people going to law school because they dont look beyond what you did in college.

Harvard? I think they look at more than just college.

Yeah they look at what makes you stand out from the rest.

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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

They both can get you into harvard.

xaos

Do you know of anyone who has done this?

I imagine it is possible if the student has some other amazing accomplishment. Like a GED, and a perfect SAT score or something.

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#15 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Probably people going to law school because they dont look beyond what you did in college.

slipknot0129

Harvard? I think they look at more than just college.

Yeah they look at what makes you stand out from the rest.

Harvard is pretty exclusive. I just don't see a GED being accepted.
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#16 Brozekial
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Harvard? I think they look at more than just college.LJS9502_basic

Yeah they look at what makes you stand out from the rest.

Harvard is pretty exclusive. I just don't see a GED being accepted.

Nor do I see the type of person who gets a GED being able to pay for Harvard. Usually people who are of such wealth won't allow their kids to get a GED, because they normally want to perpetuate that wealth with overwhelming success.
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#17 Travo_basic
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A lot of employers that I've talked top don't consider a GED to be the same.
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#18 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Yeah they look at what makes you stand out from the rest.

Brozekial

Harvard is pretty exclusive. I just don't see a GED being accepted.

Nor do I see the type of person who gets a GED being able to pay for Harvard. Usually people who are of such wealth won't allow their kids to get a GED, because they normally want to perpetuate that wealth with overwhelming success.

That is also a good point....

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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Harvard? I think they look at more than just college.LJS9502_basic

Yeah they look at what makes you stand out from the rest.

Harvard is pretty exclusive. I just don't see a GED being accepted.

I forgot what person got accepted into harvard with a ged but I know a person can.

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For the most part, having just a GED will make stuff harder for you. I don't know too many prestigious colleges that will accept GED holders unless they prove themselves in a smaller college first. As for the military, the reason they discriminate against GED holders most of the time is because a study was done on the education levels of enlistees and GED holders were more likely to get kicked out before the end of their enlistment than high school diploma holders. The Army is taking GEDs right now (they just started taking them again two months ago after over a year of turning people with them away) but you have to score higher on the ASVAB. Even then, they may be offered less jobs than somebody who has a diploma. A semester of college makes the military look at a GED the same way as they look at a diploma.

Personally, I don't look down on people with GEDs. I know from personal experience that not everybody who gets a GED got it because they was some lazy dirtbag who couldn't hack it in high school. I've seen people who had to get a GED because family problems got so bad they couldn't make it to school for whatever reason. I've seen people drop out due to pregnancy and they didn't have the support to help take care of their child so they could continue to attend school. The GED exam isn't the easiest test in the world either. From what I've seen, most GED holders I've talked to who tried to enlist in the military scored better on the ASVAB than people with a diploma.

A funny fact some people don't know is that Katy Perry has a GED, she dropped out during her freshman year of high school and got one. Not saying she's the best role model, but she has more money than any of us here even with what's considered an "inferior" education credential.

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#21 k2theswiss
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YA...

GED= just seeing what you know

High school =4 years

My friend did all high school then at the very end He couldn't pass his OGT (test you must pass to graduate every state has them just name them different) Which i find pretty sad is they all easy has hell that even I passed on my first chance i got At that time i couldn't give a rats ass about school and all i got D's Because i couldn't care less about school But he dropped out H.S So he didn't have to take them...

I wish H.S would get cut from America... I think We should do 2 Years of high school then move on to college. I know you can take some of your college cIasses while still H.S if your passing with flying colors but i would like it dropped all the way If the student is ready. It gets to a point where pretty much everything is useless it's pointed to your career

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#22 Darkwanderer000
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If you go on to college and get a degree there, nobody will care about your GED.

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#23 kussese
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While I know they're technically equivalent, and I'd try to treat them equally as an employer, I can't help but put high school diploma above the GED. I guess I just give more credit to people who got it right the first time :|

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#24 Darkwanderer000
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While I know they're technically equivalent, and I'd try to treat them equally as an employer, I can't help but put high school diploma above the GED. I guess I just give more credit to people who got it right the first time :|

kussese

But, if they've been through college and gotten a bachelor's or above, why would it matter? People can turn their lives around and redeem themselves.

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[QUOTE="kussese"]

While I know they're technically equivalent, and I'd try to treat them equally as an employer, I can't help but put high school diploma above the GED. I guess I just give more credit to people who got it right the first time :|

Darkwanderer000

But, if they've been through college and gotten a bachelor's or above, why would it matter? People can turn their lives around and redeem themselves.

UMM on a job app. You useally only put your highest form of EDU. A job could careless about anything else under it.

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#26 Blue-Sky
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GED proves that High School is a waste of time.

Most applications lump GED/HS Diploma in one option. As someone said, they're both equally worthless.

Edit: GED is good enough to get you into most City/State Colleges and the Military.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Yeah they look at what makes you stand out from the rest.

Brozekial

Harvard is pretty exclusive. I just don't see a GED being accepted.

Nor do I see the type of person who gets a GED being able to pay for Harvard. Usually people who are of such wealth won't allow their kids to get a GED, because they normally want to perpetuate that wealth with overwhelming success.

Harvard waves tuition for all people whose income is under 60,000 dollars.

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#28 cain006
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People who are home schooled have to take the GED I think, one of my friends did so. So there's at least one good excuse for why you would get it instead of a high school diploma.

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#29 -Makaveli-
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People who are home schooled have to take the GED I think, one of my friends did so. So there's at least one good excuse for why you would get it instead of a high school diploma.

cain006
This is true. I know a very qualified girl who was denied entry into Dartmouth for this very reason. She is a third generation legacy and Dartmouth has buildings named after her family.
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#31 k2theswiss
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[QUOTE="cain006"]

People who are home schooled have to take the GED I think, one of my friends did so. So there's at least one good excuse for why you would get it instead of a high school diploma.

-Makaveli-
This is true. I know a very qualified girl who was denied entry into Dartmouth for this very reason. She is a third generation legacy and Dartmouth has buildings named after her family.

glad she got denied... going to (a) school because of your family. You should pick a college for you. Not saying dartmouth might been a bad choice for her. just saying you bringing that up is not a good reason to pick a school
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[QUOTE="cain006"]

People who are home schooled have to take the GED I think, one of my friends did so. So there's at least one good excuse for why you would get it instead of a high school diploma.

-Makaveli-

This is true. I know a very qualified girl who was denied entry into Dartmouth for this very reason. She is a third generation legacy and Dartmouth has buildings named after her family.

Wow that's terrible. What did she end up doing?

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Also, I did some research because I remembered there was a change in the Army GED policy. The military frowns upon GED applicants and have limits as to the amount they will accept, with the coast guard allowing a maximum of 1% of all applicants.

Source: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/enleducation.htm

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[QUOTE="cain006"]

People who are home schooled have to take the GED I think, one of my friends did so. So there's at least one good excuse for why you would get it instead of a high school diploma.

-Makaveli-
This is true. I know a very qualified girl who was denied entry into Dartmouth for this very reason. She is a third generation legacy and Dartmouth has buildings named after her family.

Can a college even openly do something like this? It's not even the child's choice sometimes - kind of seems like a form of discrimination. Especially if her test scores were stellar or something.
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Do you think a ged is that much different than a high school diploma? I dont think its that much different. They both get you into college.They both can get you into harvard.I think the only different is its harder to join the military if you have a ged. You have to go to college then you can get into the military.Im going for my ged then im gonna go to college. Wont be hard to surpass most of my graduating class.

Maybe by me not graduating I didnt have any kids,so im ahead of what I would have been if I had graduated.

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If you're 17 and have at least a GED - you can join the military (enlisted) To be an commissioned officer, you need at least a college degree.

I think you're making the smarter choice so long as you're on top of things. I did my 4 years in HS and went straight to the military. Would of saved an extra year if I had gotten a GED instead. Right now, I'm in college and they lumped GED/HS together. Don't even need to take the SAT because most colleges have placement exams for AP credits.

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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="cain006"]

People who are home schooled have to take the GED I think, one of my friends did so. So there's at least one good excuse for why you would get it instead of a high school diploma.

k2theswiss
This is true. I know a very qualified girl who was denied entry into Dartmouth for this very reason. She is a third generation legacy and Dartmouth has buildings named after her family.

glad she got denied... going to (a) school because of your family. You should pick a college for you. Not saying dartmouth might been a bad choice for her. just saying you bringing that up is not a good reason to pick a school

If you are aware of the Ivy league culture, they love legacies. That's where there money comes from. Her family has gone to Dartmouth for generations, and had donated probably tens of millions of dollars to the school. This repoire between alumni and older schools is what allots there students such high quality of education and their faculty access to research funds. Moreover, the girl was brilliant and deserved to go. My overall point is first that a GED is clearly not equivalent to a high school diploma. Secondly, I just kind of dislike Darthmouth. They have a bad reputation for only accepting candidates who look perfect on paper. It's a school of Valedictorians accepted for that reason alone.
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Also, I did some research because I remembered there was a change in the Army GED policy. The military frowns upon GED applicants and have limits as to the amount they will accept, with the coast guard allowing a maximum of 1% of all applicants.

Source: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/enleducation.htm

-Makaveli-

Policy means nothing. If you're 17 and have a GED, A recruiter will get you in so long as you don't have any major health or criminal discrepancies. And even then, you can get waived.

Joining the military is one the easiest things to do.

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#38 -Makaveli-
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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="cain006"]

People who are home schooled have to take the GED I think, one of my friends did so. So there's at least one good excuse for why you would get it instead of a high school diploma.

cain006

This is true. I know a very qualified girl who was denied entry into Dartmouth for this very reason. She is a third generation legacy and Dartmouth has buildings named after her family.

Wow that's terrible. What did she end up doing?

She went to Mount Holyoke. She created her own major, ecology of swamps, if I recall. She's currently doing her graduate work at Cambridge.
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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="cain006"] [QUOTE="kussese"][QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="cain006"]

People who are home schooled have to take the GED I think, one of my friends did so. So there's at least one good excuse for why you would get it instead of a high school diploma.

kussese

This is true. I know a very qualified girl who was denied entry into Dartmouth for this very reason. She is a third generation legacy and Dartmouth has buildings named after her family.

Can a college even openly do something like this? It's not even the child's choice sometimes - kind of seems like a form of discrimination. Especially if her test scores were stellar or something.

Of course they can.

Edit: Also, it's not like they have to provide reason when they reject you.

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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"]

Also, I did some research because I remembered there was a change in the Army GED policy. The military frowns upon GED applicants and have limits as to the amount they will accept, with the coast guard allowing a maximum of 1% of all applicants.

Source: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/enleducation.htm

Blue-Sky

Policy means nothing. If you're 17 and have a GED, A recruiter will get you in so long as you don't have any major health or criminal discrepancies. And even then, you can get waived.

Joining the military is one the easiest things to do.

This is mostly true. I'm not sure if the population of GED recipients is already insignificant such that the limits are redundant. This is worth exploring.
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High school is a joke and if you care enough to finish your primary education without wanting to graduate from high school, than more power to you
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someone with a high school diploma sounds a little more stable and committed than someone with a GED, most people I know that had GEDs got them from alternative schooling, for perpetual behavioral problems, drug problems, violence in school, etc, and it also sounds like something someone who came out of prison would get with all that free time they have in lockup, though I realize someone could have a GED for a number of reasons, like more responsible emancipation minors might get one, maybe someone wanted to the jump the gun and get out of school early to get to college early, who knows, there really could be any reason someone could want a GED
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A GED can get you into Harvard?...Harvard turns down people with 2400 SATs 100s of volunteering hours and 4.0+ GPAs...

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A GED can get you into Harvard?...Harvard turns down people with 2400 SATs 100s of volunteering hours and 4.0+ GPAs...

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Yeah I read somewhere that 10-20 people get accepted into harvard with a ged each year.

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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

A GED can get you into Harvard?...Harvard turns down people with 2400 SATs 100s of volunteering hours and 4.0+ GPAs...

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Yeah I read somewhere that 10-20 people get accepted into harvard with a ged each year.

Wow, I am honestly surprised, it's not so much the fact that they have the GED, but I would just assume that someone with a GED missed out on many of the other necessary areas required for admission to Harvard rather than not having a High School Diploma.

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#46 -Makaveli-
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A GED can get you into Harvard?...Harvard turns down people with 2400 SATs 100s of volunteering hours and 4.0+ GPAs...

slipknot0129

Yeah I read somewhere that 10-20 people get accepted into harvard with a ged each year.

That number is completely false. Harvard averages undergraduate class sizes of 1600. 10-20 GED's in that class would be abhorrent unless they are actually homeschooled prodigies.

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#48 James161324
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GED is worthless, its not going to get you a job, and its probley not going to get you into any major school either. Unless you buy your way in

To the above poster, you do relize if your homeschooled you can get a real diploma you don't automaticly get a ged

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#49 CammiTac
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GED is worthless, its not going to get you a job, and its probley not going to get you into any major school either. Unless you buy your way in

James161324

But if you get a GED and then spend a couple years at a community college, would the university you want to transfer to even care that you got a GED, or will they just look at what you did during your time at the community college? Isn't a high school degree worthless after you get a higher degree, anyway?

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#50 slipknot0129
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[QUOTE="James161324"]

GED is worthless, its not going to get you a job, and its probley not going to get you into any major school either. Unless you buy your way in

CammiTac

But if you get a GED and then spend a couple years at a community college, would the university you want to transfer to even care that you got a GED, or will they just look at what you did during your time at the community college? Isn't a high school degree worthless after you get a higher degree, anyway?

Yeah you could make d's in high school and still get accepted into harvard law school.Same applies for ged.You just have to do good in college.