Do You Think All Roads Lead To God? (Poll)

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#1 Crushmaster
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This an interesting question; and, I actually agree with it. I heard something from a book which convinced me I, a Christian, can very Biblically say "All roads lead to God." Because, they do. After all: "As it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the Judgment."
All roads do lead to God. Because, at the end, everyone will stand before Him. There's just one catch...
Will He be your Judge, and condemn you to eternal damnation...or will He be your Savior, and welcome you into His Kingdom? Hmm. Something to think about.
(John 3:36) - "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
What are your views on this subject?
Please note: This topic's purpose is evangelism. Please keep the discussion around, of course, the poll question, and Christian/faith-based subjects; i.e. the Bible, God, etc. Also, please refrain from disruptive posting. Thank you.
God bless,
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#2 MetalGear_Ninty
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Didn't Jesus say: "I am the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the father except through me"?

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#3 mattykovax
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Other. I believe all roads lead to the grave.
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#4 TheOddQuantum
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Well in theory roads never end. Also, I don't believe in a God.
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#5 super_mario_128
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To the poll: no. My reasoning is that I don't believe that an all-powerful God would care enough to punish/reward His creations based on their beliefs in Him.
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#6 Crushmaster
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Didn't Jesus say: "I am the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the father except through me" MetalGear_Ninty

Yes, He did. That's John 14:6.
Read the rest of my post; it will make sense then.
In Christ,
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To the poll: no. My reasoning is that I don't believe that an all-powerful God would care enough to punish/reward His creations based on their beliefs in Him.super_mario_128

Indeed. Interesting points.
Read the rest of my post.
God bless,
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#8 esbastica
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just for a believer
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#9 chessmaster1989
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Nope, namely because I do not believe in God.
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I'll have to disagree considering Jesus' words at Matthew 7:13-14 "Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it."

And:

Luke 13:24: "Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell YOU, will seek to get in but will not be able,

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#11 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Didn't Jesus say: "I am the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the father except through me" Crushmaster

Yes, He did. That's John 14:6.
Read the rest of my post; it will make sense then.
In Christ,
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Well it really depends on what you are asking, is it:

A) Can all roads lead into heaven?
B) Can all roads lead to one being confronted by God?

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I agree with you, Crushmaster. All roads lead to God, but some roads are better to take than the other. ;)
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#13 Crushmaster
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Nope, namely because I do not believe in God.chessmaster1989

Why not, if you don't mind my asking?
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#14 cheese7monkey
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i believe that even if there is/are a god/s, who's to say we meet him/her/them once we die? maybe he/she/they only exist in life and death truly is the end or maybe he/she/they only appears to those who need him/her/them in life or after life and for everyone else, they can exist without need for any sort of intervention
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#15 super_mario_128
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Read the rest of my post.Crushmaster
I did, your point is?
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#16 -Jiggles-
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No. All roads lead to Rome.
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#17 Crushmaster
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Didn't Jesus say: "I am the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the father except through me" MetalGear_Ninty


Yes, He did. That's John 14:6.
Read the rest of my post; it will make sense then.
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

Well it really depends on what you are asking, is it:

A) Can all roads lead into heaven?
B) Can all roads lead to one being confronted by God?


I am simply asking, "Do you think all roads lead to God?"
Because the Bible is clear all of us, when we die, will stand before Him.
(Hebrews 9:27) - "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment."
But, will He be your Savior, or your Judge?

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Nope, namely because I do not believe in God.Crushmaster

Why not, if you don't mind my asking?

No, I don't mind you asking :).

There is no evidence supporting God's existence, hence I do not believe in God.

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#19 Crushmaster
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Read the rest of my post.super_mario_128
I did, your point is?


My point is this: all of us, when we die, will stand before God. The catch, though, is this: will He be your Judge, or your Savior?
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#20 I_pWnzz_YoU
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No, people who base their whole lives around religion are fanatics and need to get back into reality. I don't mine people who go to church every Sunday and read the bible and all that, but if you think God is everything and you give your life away to religion. Then you're boned.
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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Read the rest of my post.Crushmaster
I did, your point is?


My point is this: all of us, when we die, will stand before God. The catch, though, is this: will He be your Judge, or your Savior?

What if your wrong. What if all this time your sitting here trying to prove a point,then when you die nothing.

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#22 Crushmaster
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There is no evidence supporting God's existence, hence I do not believe in God. chessmaster1989

I see. So you believe something came from really nothing, and order came from chaos (the Big Bang)?
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#23 super_mario_128
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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Read the rest of my post.Crushmaster
I did, your point is?


My point is this: all of us, when we die, will stand before God. The catch, though, is this: will He be your Judge, or your Savior?

Ah, well in my case, since I don't believe that I will ever stand before God when I die, he'd be my Judge.
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#24 Crushmaster
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What if your wrong. What if all this time your sitting here trying to prove a point,then when you die nothing.mattykovax

I am not worried about that, friend.
Because I know God exists, I know the Bible is His Word, and I know I will one day spend eternity with Him.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] There is no evidence supporting God's existence, hence I do not believe in God. Crushmaster

I see. So you believe something came from really nothing, and order came from chaos (the Big Bang)?

I think that the universe has always existed. Whether or not the Big Bang itself created the universe as we currently know it is debatable, although there is evidence that supports the Big Bang theory.

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#27 Crushmaster
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Ah, well in my case, since I don't believe that I will ever stand before God when I die, he'd be my Judge.super_mario_128

I see. Why don't you believe that?
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Well, yes, if by the way you put it... then yes, i think all roads lead to God.

However i believe the only "road" that leads to heaven is Christ, and Christ alone.

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Try imagining what the world would be like without a God. It's still the same place...
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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"] Ah, well in my case, since I don't believe that I will ever stand before God when I die, he'd be my Judge.Crushmaster
I see. Why don't you believe that?

Read my other post for my answer.
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[QUOTE="mattykovax"] What if your wrong. What if all this time your sitting here trying to prove a point,then when you die nothing.Crushmaster

I am not worried about that, friend.
Because I know God exists, I know the Bible is His Word, and I know I will one day spend eternity with Him.

I just hope your right,considering you spend so much time on the faceless internet trying to change the beliefs of others to no avail. It would have been a waste of your time if there is nothing. Which frankly I do not feel you can disprove anymore than I can disprove to you your belief in god.
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What happened to the whole "God cannot allow sin in his presence because he is holy and righteous" spiel? I thought that suffering and sadness was just the absence of God and that all hellbound people would never get to God.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] There is no evidence supporting God's existence, hence I do not believe in God. Crushmaster

I see. So you believe something came from really nothing, and order came from chaos (the Big Bang)?

...and that life happened by chance from non-living chemicals and the complex and specific language encoded in DNA just formed itself by chance.

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#34 Crushmaster
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I think that the universe has always existed. Whether or not the Big Bang itself created the universe as we currently know it is debatable, although there is evidence that supports the Big Bang theory. chessmaster1989

I see. Could you please point me to an instance when chaos created order?
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] There is no evidence supporting God's existence, hence I do not believe in God. blackregiment


I see. So you believe something came from really nothing, and order came from chaos (the Big Bang)?

...and that life happened by chance from non-living chemicals and the complex and specific language encoded in DNA just formed itself by chance.

Alright, I'll ask you as well.

Why is evolution/the Big Bang theory mutually exclusive from Christianity?

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#36 Crushmaster
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Go read a science textbook about the Big Bang theory before making such blatantly ignorant comments like that.

Also, by all means, tell me how the Big Bang theory and Christianity are mutually exclusive.

-Jiggles-

1: How is that a blatantly ignorant comment, if you don't mind my asking?
2: They're not mutally exclusive. I don't recall ever saying they were, considering I am a Young Earth Creationist.
EDIT: It appears I misunderstood your question (about the Big Bang and Christianity). Could you please restate it?
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] I think that the universe has always existed. Whether or not the Big Bang itself created the universe as we currently know it is debatable, although there is evidence that supports the Big Bang theory. Crushmaster

I see. Could you please point me to an instance when chaos created order?

Choose whatever you'd like.

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Yes I do.
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="mattykovax"] What if your wrong. What if all this time your sitting here trying to prove a point,then when you die nothing.mattykovax

I am not worried about that, friend.
Because I know God exists, I know the Bible is His Word, and I know I will one day spend eternity with Him.

I just hope your right,considering you spend so much time on the faceless internet trying to change the beliefs of others to no avail. It would have been a waste of your time if there is nothing. Which frankly I do not feel you can disprove anymore than I can disprove to you your belief in god.

We don't consider it a "waste of time", sharing the Gospel of salvation in Christ is our duty in service to the Lord. We do it out of love for our neighbor. In contrast, let's assume that knew that their friend was in great danger, for example they overheard another of their friends discussing how he planned to harm your friend. Which would be more loving and caring, to not tell them for fear of upsetting them or to tell them the truth?

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[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"] Go read a science textbook about the Big Bang theory before making such blatantly ignorant comments like that.

Also, by all means, tell me how the Big Bang theory and Christianity are mutually exclusive.

Crushmaster


1: How is that a blatantly ignorant comment, if you don't mind my asking?
2: They're not mutally exclusive. I don't recall ever saying they were, considering I am a Young Earth Creationist.

1: Nowhere, whether it be the Big Bang theory or any other theory within science, is it ever stated that "something" came from "nothing." Any scientist worth his two cents will tell you that such statements about the Big Bang theory are not only untrue, but laughable in the academic community.

The Big Bang theory states that all matter and space was compressed into an incredibly small quantum singularity, which is a fancier way of saying, "really, really, really, really, really small particle." Never does it state that all matter just *poofed* into existance.

2: Yet you suggest that the Big Bang theory is incompatible with the beliefs of Christianity, which is most-certainly false.

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I just hope your right,considering you spend so much time on the faceless internet trying to change the beliefs of others to no avail. It would have been a waste of your time if there is nothing. Which frankly I do not feel you can disprove anymore than I can disprove to you your belief in god.mattykovax

If I was, as you put it, "right", wouldn't that be very, very bad for you?
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] I think that the universe has always existed. Whether or not the Big Bang itself created the universe as we currently know it is debatable, although there is evidence that supports the Big Bang theory. Crushmaster

I see. Could you please point me to an instance when chaos created order?

I can't find the link atm, but I remember reading about scientists who had managed to create amino acids from chemicals under natural conditions. Of course, this does not yet explain how life was created, but it is a big step in that direction.

If anyone has the link, please post it.

Also, Churchmaster, tell me why you believe in God, if you don't mind.

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Choose whatever you'd like.-Jiggles-

Very interesting. So you do not think any intelligence was involved in these various Revolutions?
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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
I am not worried about that, friend.
Because I know God exists, I know the Bible is His Word, and I know I will one day spend eternity with Him. blackregiment

I just hope your right,considering you spend so much time on the faceless internet trying to change the beliefs of others to no avail. It would have been a waste of your time if there is nothing. Which frankly I do not feel you can disprove anymore than I can disprove to you your belief in god.

We don't consider it a "waste of time", sharing the Gospel of salvation in Christ is our duty in service to the Lord. We do it out of love for our neighbor. In contrast, let's assume that knew that their friend was in great danger, for example they overheard another of their friends discussing how he planned to harm your friend. Which would be more loving and caring, to not tell them for fear of upsetting them or to tell them the truth?

Let's pretend that you died and went to heaven. Before you run off in the land of clouds and angels, God pulls you aside and says...

"It's good to see you try so hard to bring My holy word to all those video game nerds over the internet, but not one of them ever followed suit. In fact, your evangelizing drove some of them farther away from the truth, which I find very regretful. You should've tried spreading the truth of My love at, say, an orphanage or a hospital, where people were more willing to listen to you."

...Would you still say it wasn't a "waste of time?"

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Read my other post for my answer.super_mario_128

Let me see if I understand this right: do you believe you will just "go to Heaven", and not stand before God?
Or, I am misunderstanding something?
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[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"] Choose whatever you'd like.Crushmaster

Very interesting. So you do not think any intelligence was involved in these various Revolutions?

Absolutely, there were intelligent humans behind such operations. Some of the most prestigous, intelligent minds in American history devised and planned the revolution against Britain's tyrannical rule over the colonies. Such people include Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and even George Washington himself.

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Let's pretend that you died and went to heaven. Before you run off in the land of clouds and angels, God pulls you aside and says...

"It's good to see you try so hard to bring My holy word to all those video game nerds over the internet, but not one of them ever followed suit. In fact, your evangelizing drove some of them farther away from the truth, which I find very regretful. You should've tried spreading the truth of My love at, say, an orphanage or a hospital, where people were more willing to listen to you."

...Would you still say it wasn't a "waste of time?"

-Jiggles-

(1 Corinthians 3:6-10) - "I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. {7} So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. {8} Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. {9} For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building."

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1: Nowhere, whether it be the Big Bang theory or any other theory within science, is it ever stated that "something" came from "nothing." Any scientist worth his two cents will tell you that such statements about the Big Bang theory are not only untrue, but laughable in the academic community.

The Big Bang theory states that all matter and space was compressed into an incredibly small quantum singularity, which is a fancier way of saying, "really, really, really, really, really small particle." Never does it state that all matter just *poofed* into existance.

-Jiggles-

The hypothesis states that this infinitely compressed singularity occupied no place in space or time since the hypothesis speculates that both space and time came into existence at the "big bang" expansion. If something does not exist in space and time, it is in essence nothing. In addition, everything that begins to exist must have a cause. What causes this alleged singularity? Also is takes a lot of imagination to believe that the mass of a semi or the earth could be compressed into a singularity smaller than the period at the end of this sentence. much less all the matter and energy in the universe.

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#49 Crushmaster
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"] Choose whatever you'd like.-Jiggles-


Very interesting. So you do not think any intelligence was involved in these various Revolutions?

Absolutely. Some of the most prestigous, intelligent minds in American history devised and planned the revolution against Britain's tyrannical rule over the colonies. Such people include Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and even George Washington himself.


So you think intelligence was involved in the Big Bang?
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#50 ShowStopper102
Member since 2007 • 12382 Posts

To Jiggles:

So, according to science, is the Big Bang Theory the beggining of the earth?