do you think circumcision should be the persons choice?

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]Senseless.....................if you say so. I think I'll stick with the advice of our OB/GYN and Pediatricians.

tenaka2

You mean the largely divided group of specialists, some of whom argue that there are some very slight benefits while simultaneously noting that it decreases sensitivity?

There are large benefits. I enjoy sex very very much and being cut allows me to last a very very long time while reducing the risks of contracting an std, plus it looks a lot better.

It should be persons choice, its just inhuman that parents have right to perform cultists rituals with their kids body

There are large benefits. I enjoy sex very very much and being cut allows me to last a very very long time while reducing the risks of contracting an std, plus it looks a lot better.

tenaka2

Yes. It should ALWAYS be the persons own choice. Why would anyone mutilate their own child like that? Are we really that barbaric? And no, it's not 'cleaner', it's a very bad reason to snip your son.Deihjan

There are real health benefits.

I don't understand why people care about this so much. People who are circumsised don't mind (as a rule).

As far as I can tell the only legit reason is that people personally prefer a foreskin, this shouldn't really be a concern for hetrosexual guys.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

There are large benefits. I enjoy sex very very much and being cut allows me to last a very very long time while reducing the risks of contracting an std, plus it looks a lot better.

Deihjan

There are scientific peer reviewed papers that show it to be true. I will take that data over your guesses.

People who are circumsised don't mind (as a rule).

tenaka2

There are scientific peer reviewed papers that show it to be true. I will take that data over your guesses.

tenaka2

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

People who are circumsised don't mind (as a rule).

Deihjan

There are scientific peer reviewed papers that show it to be true. I will take that data over your guesses.

tenaka2

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603122

Male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition in young men in Africa. Where appropriate, voluntary, safe, and affordable circumcision services should be integrated with other HIV preventive interventions and provided as expeditiously as possible.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603134

Male circumcision reduced HIV incidence in men without behavioural disinhibition. Circumcision can be recommended for HIV prevention in men.

I could like more but I fear it would be a waste of time.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]Senseless.....................if you say so. I think I'll stick with the advice of our OB/GYN and Pediatricians.

tenaka2

You mean the largely divided group of specialists, some of whom argue that there are some very slight benefits while simultaneously noting that it decreases sensitivity?

There are large benefits. I enjoy sex very very much and being cut allows me to last a very very long time while reducing the risks of contracting an std, plus it looks a lot better.

[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="tenaka2"] Of course they don't mind. It's not like they've ever tried being uncut.[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

There are scientific peer reviewed papers that show it to be true. I will take that data over your guesses.

tenaka2

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603122

Male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition in young men in Africa. Where appropriate, voluntary, safe, and affordable circumcision services should be integrated with other HIV preventive interventions and provided as expeditiously as possible.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Deihjan"] I call buffalo manure.Deihjan

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603122

Male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition in young men in Africa. Where appropriate, voluntary, safe, and affordable circumcision services should be integrated with other HIV preventive interventions and provided as expeditiously as possible.

Circumcision is very safe, are you making things up again?

At least admit when your wrong 'I call buffalo manure.'

[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603122

Male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition in young men in Africa. Where appropriate, voluntary, safe, and affordable circumcision services should be integrated with other HIV preventive interventions and provided as expeditiously as possible.

tenaka2

Circumcision is very safe, are you making things up again?

At least admit when your wrong 'I call buffalo manure.'

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Deihjan"] Pffff, so HIV1 can be prevented with snipping off the foreskin - condoms does the same, and are 99% safe. unlike circumcision. Deihjan

Circumcision is very safe, are you making things up again?

At least admit when your wrong 'I call buffalo manure.'

No one has claimed that it does.

Since it is non-essential in all cases, choice.

uuuh id rather get circumcised when im a baby then when im 18.....mems_1224

I like mines circumcised plus I heard its hard to keep uncircumcised johnsons from smelling

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603122

Male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition in young men in Africa. Where appropriate, voluntary, safe, and affordable circumcision services should be integrated with other HIV preventive interventions and provided as expeditiously as possible.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603134

Male circumcision reduced HIV incidence in men without behavioural disinhibition. Circumcision can be recommended for HIV prevention in men.

tenaka2

Is it really such a bad thing that your parents did you a huge favor?

Being uncircumsized is backwards and stone age style. Also, there is more of a chance for infection with the foreskin. Don't make the kid suffer as an adult, get it done.

Sunfyre7896

of course it should be a personal choice

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603122

Male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition in young men in Africa. Where appropriate, voluntary, safe, and affordable circumcision services should be integrated with other HIV preventive interventions and provided as expeditiously as possible.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603134

Male circumcision reduced HIV incidence in men without behavioural disinhibition. Circumcision can be recommended for HIV prevention in men.

NKM_Atomsk

We were talking about males contracting STDs and the fact that being circumcised reduces the changes of STDs substancially.

No one has claimed it as a cure for aids, only that it reduces the chances of catching it, which it does.

[QUOTE="NKM_Atomsk"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603122

Male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition in young men in Africa. Where appropriate, voluntary, safe, and affordable circumcision services should be integrated with other HIV preventive interventions and provided as expeditiously as possible.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607603134

Male circumcision reduced HIV incidence in men without behavioural disinhibition. Circumcision can be recommended for HIV prevention in men.

tenaka2

We were talking about males contracting STDs and the fact that being circumcised reduces the changes of STDs substancially.

No one has claimed it as a cure for aids, only that it reduces the chances of catching it, which it does.

not going to fault you for arguing with people who will not change their view on anything no matter what, because i get caught in those conversations sometimes, but it might be time to walk away and let the evidence you have presented speak for its self... unless youre having fun, then go for it.

surrealnumber5

I must admit I am intrigued by the thread. Most posters here are male and most claim to be hetrosexual. Yet so may seem to have a huge interest in the male penis I am circumcised so my position is obvious.

But for a male is not and is hetro why the interest in other guys bodies?

Unless of course there is a religious reason for this that people are not voicing?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

not going to fault you for arguing with people who will not change their view on anything no matter what, because i get caught in those conversations sometimes, but it might be time to walk away and let the evidence you have presented speak for its self... unless youre having fun, then go for it.

tenaka2

I must admit I am intrigued by the thread. Most posters here are male and most claim to be hetrosexual. Yet so may seem to have a huge interest in the male penis I am circumcised so my position is obvious.

But for a male is not and is hetro why the interest in other guys bodies?

Unless of course there is a religious reason for this that people are not voicing?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

not going to fault you for arguing with people who will not change their view on anything no matter what, because i get caught in those conversations sometimes, but it might be time to walk away and let the evidence you have presented speak for its self... unless youre having fun, then go for it.

tenaka2

I must admit I am intrigued by the thread. Most posters here are male and most claim to be hetrosexual. Yet so may seem to have a huge interest in the male penis I am circumcised to my position is obvious.

But for a male is not and is hetro why the interest in other guys bodies?

Unless of course there is a religious reason for this that people are not voicing?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

not going to fault you for arguing with people who will not change their view on anything no matter what, because i get caught in those conversations sometimes, but it might be time to walk away and let the evidence you have presented speak for its self... unless youre having fun, then go for it.

YellowOneKinobi

I must admit I am intrigued by the thread. Most posters here are male and most claim to be hetrosexual. Yet so may seem to have a huge interest in the male penis I am circumcised so my position is obvious.

But for a male is not and is hetro why the interest in other guys bodies?

Unless of course there is a religious reason for this that people are not voicing?

everyone has insecurities.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I must admit I am intrigued by the thread. Most posters here are male and most claim to be hetrosexual. Yet so may seem to have a huge interest in the male penis I am circumcised so my position is obvious.

But for a male is not and is hetro why the interest in other guys bodies?

Unless of course there is a religious reason for this that people are not voicing?

PcGamingRig

everyone has insecurities.

not going to fault you for arguing with people who will not change their view on anything no matter what, because i get caught in those conversations sometimes, but it might be time to walk away and let the evidence you have presented speak for its self... unless youre having fun, then go for it.

surrealnumber5

But for a male is not and is hetro why the interest in other guys bodies?

Unless of course there is a religious reason for this that people are not voicing?

tenaka2

Nah, don't worry about it. Was just passing by and noticed that nobody properly shot that argument of his down. The entire study is flawed to the point of uselessness and simply contradicted by reality. Just wanted to set that straight. ^^"

NKM_Atomsk

There are loads of studies on this subject, not just 1. How do you think science works?

How about rather then making stuff up you present your own scientific studies?

Its a fact that circumcision reduces the chances of contracting AIDS. You obviously don't like this fact for reason that I can't understand.

[QUOTE="NKM_Atomsk"]

Nah, don't worry about it. Was just passing by and noticed that nobody properly shot that argument of his down. The entire study is flawed to the point of uselessness and simply contradicted by reality. Just wanted to set that straight. ^^"

tenaka2

There are loads of studies on this subject, not just 1. How do you think science works?

How about rather then making stuff up you present your own scientific studies?

Its a fact that circumcision reduces the chances of contracting AIDS. You obviously don't like this fact for reason that I can't understand.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="NKM_Atomsk"]

Nah, don't worry about it. Was just passing by and noticed that nobody properly shot that argument of his down. The entire study is flawed to the point of uselessness and simply contradicted by reality. Just wanted to set that straight. ^^"

PcGamingRig

There are loads of studies on this subject, not just 1. How do you think science works?

How about rather then making stuff up you present your own scientific studies?

Its a fact that circumcision reduces the chances of contracting AIDS. You obviously don't like this fact for reason that I can't understand.

No one claimed otherwise.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="NKM_Atomsk"]

Nah, don't worry about it. Was just passing by and noticed that nobody properly shot that argument of his down. The entire study is flawed to the point of uselessness and simply contradicted by reality. Just wanted to set that straight. ^^"

PcGamingRig

There are loads of studies on this subject, not just 1. How do you think science works?

How about rather then making stuff up you present your own scientific studies?

Its a fact that circumcision reduces the chances of contracting AIDS. You obviously don't like this fact for reason that I can't understand.

You know what, tenaka2? You are right. I got sidetracked here and apologize for that.
I can not disprove your studies.

I believe there is a reason to doubt their significants due to not being double-blind and only barely passing the requirements for a proper randomized controlled trial. But at the end of the day, I can't disprove them, and even if I could it would be ones words against another's.

In any case those facts aren't relevant to this thread I believe.

[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

If I have a son someday and have him circumcised, I would insist on anesthesia for him. I wouldn't let them do it without anesthesia.

Um, you can't give a baby anesthesia, it's gonna kill it. The best you can get is some topical lidocaine cream which does nothing to ease the pain, but it at least makes the parents feel better.

Circumcision is barbaic, archaic, and almost always pointless. Unless it is needed, it should not be something the parents can decide on.

Dark_Knight6

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]Senseless.....................if you say so. I think I'll stick with the advice of our OB/GYN and Pediatricians.

You mean the largely divided group of specialists, some of whom argue that there are some very slight benefits while simultaneously noting that it decreases sensitivity?

Gosh that would be painful....... :|

Since it is non-essential in all cases, choice.

789shadow

uuuh id rather get circumcised when im a baby then when im 18.....mems_1224

This, the problem with waiting is even if you might like to get circumsised later, idk that many people who'd want to do it at an older age.

not to mention it just looks betterKeredsBlaze

[QUOTE="KeredsBlaze"] not to mention it just looks bettertoast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="KeredsBlaze"] not to mention it just looks betterKeredsBlaze

Circumcised penises look worse, they don't look bad but its not quite as nice.

Uncircumcized penises are ugly.

communistcat

I'm with you on this one. Also, hell no, I wouldn't want my penis sliced and diced while I'm fully grown. Are you high, TC?

[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

If I have a son someday and have him circumcised, I would insist on anesthesia for him. I wouldn't let them do it without anesthesia.

NKM_Atomsk

Um, you can't give a baby anesthesia, it's gonna kill it. The best you can get is some topical lidocaine cream which does nothing to ease the pain, but it at least makes the parents feel better.

I believe doctors can use injected local anesthetic for an infant circumcision. I would insist on it for my son's circumcision.