Do You Think Good And Bad People Have Different Eternal Destinies?

I chose answer four, because the Bible says, "There is none righteous: no, not one".
In God's eyes, we are all sinners in need of a savior. Christ, and Christ alone, is the only difference that changes our eternal destiny from bad to good.
What are your thoughts on the subject?
Please note: The poll question is the main focus of the topic, but other subjects can be explored, as well.
Just please try to keep the discussion Christian in nature.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

I'll find out when I die, won't I?

And I am a Christian, but the fact of the matter is that we just don't know, and we never will.

Just please try to keep the discussion Christian in nature.

Crushmaster

"I don't know" is the correct anwer to this question, anyone who claims otherwise is just arrogant/fooling themselves...

Just please try to keep the discussion Christian in nature.Crushmaster

Then put this in the TCWU. :|

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Just please try to keep the discussion Christian in nature.

xaos

I'll find out when I die, won't I?

And I am a Christian, but the fact of the matter is that we just don't know, and we never will.

-TheSecondSign-

No, people shape their own destinies. Theres no Good and Bad people, you can always change. Theres no black and white.gamer_marrik

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

Just please try to keep the discussion Christian in nature.

xaos

G'day Crush. Do you intend to do any evangelising in this thread?

My answer is that everyones eternal destiny is the same. Everyone will die at some point and remain dead regardless of what kind of person they are or were. As I understand it though Christianity does indeed say that people will recieve different destinies according to their works, different layers of heaven and hell etc.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

I'll find out when I die, won't I?

And I am a Christian, but the fact of the matter is that we just don't know, and we never will.

Crushmaster

Yes, but if we make God our savior.

It never says we will still be saved if we forsake God and Christ.

The future is unknowable.

Promises can be broken.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

I'll find out when I die, won't I?

And I am a Christian, but the fact of the matter is that we just don't know, and we never will.

-TheSecondSign-

Yes, but if we make God our savior.

It never says we will still be saved if we forsake God and Christ.

The future is unknowable.

Promises can be broken.

In before "To all the non-believers here: Do you consider yourself a good person?" :lol:Shad0ki11

:lol:

"Ok then, have you ever told a lie? What does that make you?"

:lol:

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]In before "To all the non-believers here: Do you consider yourself a good person?" :lol:black_cat19

:lol:

Ok then, have you ever told a lie? What does that make you?

:lol:

Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.Theokhoth

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.domatron23

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

I'll find out when I die, won't I?

And I am a Christian, but the fact of the matter is that we just don't know, and we never will.

Crushmaster

Yes, but if we make God our savior.

It never says we will still be saved if we forsake God and Christ.

The future is unknowable.

Promises can be broken.

Yes, but a Christian who becomes an athesit will not be saved.

No one has any way of knowing what they will truly do in the future, therefore, until the very day you die, you will always have that chance of losing your faith.

I've seen it happen, and it's happened to me. It's a sin that unless reconciled, is ultimately unforgivable.

I became a Christian again out of personal choice, so I think for the moment I'm good, but I don't know what will happen in the future, so it's better to be wary than think you are untouchable.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.xaos

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

But Microsoft Office could do it right?

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

I'll find out when I die, won't I?

And I am a Christian, but the fact of the matter is that we just don't know, and we never will.

Crushmaster

Oh crikey, it's you. :roll:

Well, I don't believe in the afterlife, but I chose 'no'. Simply because I think that, whether you're good or bad, you're just going to rot in the ground or be turned into dust or swim with the fishes or whatever.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="domatron23"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.domatron23

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

But Microsoft Office could do it right?

Only the Ultimate version. Good job I have it.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.domatron23

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

Maybe this'll answer your question. Here

I picked option 4. Because good and bad in the end are irrelevant, FallofAthens

I disagree to no end with this view (you're not the first one to say it), that basically means any murderer/rapist who decides to "accept christ as his saviour" will get into heaven, and any atheist who helps others, contributes to the community, etc. will go to hell just because god is so full of himself he doesn't want anyone who won't vow down to him to be near him...

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="domatron23"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.luke1889

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

But Microsoft Office could do it right?

Only the Ultimate version. Good job I have it.

I picked option 4. Because good and bad in the end are irrelevant, FallofAthens

I've got that Linkin Park song stuck in my head now. :P

I chose answer four, because the Bible says, "There is none righteous: no, not one".
In God's eyes, we are all sinners in need of a savior. Christ, and Christ alone, is the only difference that changes our eternal destiny from bad to good.
What are your thoughts on the subject?
Please note: The poll question is the main focus of the topic, but other subjects can be explored, as well.
Just please try to keep the discussion Christian in nature.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

Crushmaster

Yes, but a Christian who becomes an athesit will not be saved.

No one has any way of knowing what they will truly do in the future, therefore, until the very day you die, you will always have that chance of losing your faith.

I've seen it happen, and it's happened to me. It's a sin that unless reconciled, is ultimately unforgivable.

I became a Christian again out of personal choice, so I think for the moment I'm good, but I don't know what will happen in the future, so it's better to be wary than think you are untouchable.

-TheSecondSign-

[QUOTE="domatron23"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.FallofAthens

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

Maybe this'll answer your question. Here

Answering people's questions with a link is BlackRegiment's job. lol.

[QUOTE="FallofAthens"]I picked option 4. Because good and bad in the end are irrelevant, black_cat19

I disagree to no end with this view (you're not the first one to say it), that basically means any murderer/rapist who decides to "accept christ as his saviour" will get into heaven, and any atheist who helps others, contributes to the community, etc. will go to hell just because god is so full of himself he doesn't want anyone who won't vow down to him to be near him...

[QUOTE="FallofAthens"]I picked option 4. Because good and bad in the end are irrelevant, black_cat19

I disagree to no end with this view (you're not the first one to say it), that basically means any murderer/rapist who decides to "accept christ as his saviour" will get into heaven, and any atheist who helps others, contributes to the community, etc. will go to hell just because god is so full of himself he doesn't want anyone who won't vow down to him to be near him...

I think that's irrelevant. They have an exclusive belief of heaven, therefore, they should be the only ones that receive it. Why should someone who doesn't believe in heaven receive it?

It's funny how people think that you can go to heaven because you're a "good person". Why don't more Christians grow a pair of cojones and say that everyone who doesn't worship Jesus is going to hell? Because the atheists, the same people who don't believe in hell, might be offended? :lol:

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.domatron23

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

It may, but I don't believe in traditional Heaven and Hell.

...If a person who claims to be a Child of God becomes an atheist, I do not believe they ever were a Child of God.
There is a difference between claiming to be a Christian and literally being one.
Christians are people who accept Jesus Christ into their heart and repent of their sins, thus becoming Children of God.
(Romans 10:8-10) - "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; {9} That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. {10} For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Crushmaster

As if God didn't create atheists.

John 3:16:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Yes. I am a christian, and it is true. If you accept christ as your saviour, confess your sins and have faith that he dies on the cross to save you from your sins.TheWampaKing

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.FallofAthens

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

Maybe this'll answer your question. Here

So yes basically. It seems like the correct answer for a Christian is option one not option four. Revelations 20 mentions judgement based upon works which indicates different destinies in heaven and hell.

Rev20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Rev20:13"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

[QUOTE="FallofAthens"]I picked option 4. Because good and bad in the end are irrelevant, black_cat19

I disagree to no end with this view (you're not the first one to say it), that basically means any murderer/rapist who decides to "accept christ as his saviour" will get into heaven, and any atheist who helps others, contributes to the community, etc. will go to hell just because god is so full of himself he doesn't want anyone who won't vow down to him to be near him...

Good and bad are irrelevant. What is relevant is forgiveness. Yes, a murderer and a rapist can get into Heaven, while the good-natured atheist can go to Hell. But the bad deeds of the murderer/rapist and the good deeds of the nice atheist are irrelevant to the forgiveness they ask for, and thus, receive, in the end.

In all technicality, every human on Earth is a murderer/thief/liar/adulterer/sexual pervert/what-have-you by Biblical standards (including Christians), so like I said, good deeds and bad deeds mean nada.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
...If a person who claims to be a Child of God becomes an atheist, I do not believe they ever were a Child of God.
There is a difference between claiming to be a Christian and literally being one.
Christians are people who accept Jesus Christ into their heart and repent of their sins, thus becoming Children of God.
(Romans 10:8-10) - "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; {9} That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. {10} For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Genetic_Code

As if God didn't create atheists.

"Child of God" is used here to mean Christians, not creation of God. Ever hear Christians refer to other Christians as "Brothers in Christ"?

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.Theokhoth

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

It may, but I don't believe in traditional Heaven and Hell.

Fair enough. Would you say that there is a strong biblical basis for a layered hell or does it say elsewhere that it is one in the same for everyone who enters.

[QUOTE="FallofAthens"]I picked option 4. Because good and bad in the end are irrelevant, black_cat19

I disagree to no end with this view (you're not the first one to say it), that basically means any murderer/rapist who decides to "accept christ as his saviour" will get into heaven, and any atheist who helps others, contributes to the community, etc. will go to hell just because god is so full of himself he doesn't want anyone who won't vow down to him to be near him...

*slaps self in head* why did I even answer, I'd knew i'd get dragged into an argument. :P

So, are you saying we should not forgive people who do these things, even if they are, really, truly, deep down sorry and not just full of themselves? I know where your coming from, believe me, I don't understand that myself and am looking into it.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="domatron23"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good and bad are irrelevant, so I pick option four.domatron23

Do you think that works will grant you access to different levels of hell and heaven. Maybe one level for the rapists and murderers and another different level for the liars and blasphemers.

It may, but I don't believe in traditional Heaven and Hell.

Fair enough. Would you say that there is a strong biblical basis for a layered hell or does it say elsewhere that it is one in the same for everyone who enters.

I wouldn't know. The afterlife isn't one of my specialties. I think there is enough basis for both.