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Do you believe human beings are inherently good or evil? Why is it that some people can freely do immortal things while others do good deeds? Society and environment does play a part in influencing a person's mentality and attitude towards situations, but there are those who stray from being 'good'. What is it that causes one to choose to do acceptable or unethical things? There are those who grow up in a positive environment who can end up evil, but there are also those who have experienced violence in their life and turn out good. If a person were to grow in an area with no influence whatsoever, how do you think they would turn out? What if there were no standards in society on morals or values, will we all truly allow our evil side to be put into action? Can too much of one or the other be corrupting, do you believe there needs to be some kind of balance between both? Is it harder for someone good to become evil, or an evil person to convert themselves into a good person? And do you agree on the human concept of what is believe to be good or evil?

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Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish). I always bring this up as I find it quite amusing that children have to be taught how to share. There is a stage in a child's development that they call the mine-stages. One does not teach a child to be selfish but that seems to come naturally. Thus my statement above.
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#3 Diablo112688
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Well I honestly do not see why I would behave "properly" or do "good deeds." I fear consequences so I follow the law, and I do not really inflict great pain on others. The biggest reason in my case is simply because of the consequence. I don't believe in anything... all ideas are full of holes.
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#4 Theokhoth
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I think they have an inherent want to be good. So I voted "both."

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#5 Snipes_2
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Well, I'm not sure. But it does seem like it's easier to partake in an Evil act than it is a Good Act. I.e. Lying, Stealing etc..

A Good act would be Community Service Blah Blah Blah :P

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Well I honestly do not see why I would behave "properly" or do "good deeds." I fear consequences so I follow the law, and I do not really inflict great pain on others. The biggest reason in my case is simply because of the consequence. I don't believe in anything... all ideas are full of holes. Diablo112688

That's not the only kind of consequence, though, you can also worry about consequence to others, not to mention the eventual consequence to yourself that action harming others can bring.

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#7 Trinners
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good and evil is entirely subjective and relative so no human beings are not inherently good or evil.

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#8 T_P_O
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Human beings aren't inherently good or inherently evil.

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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish). I always bring this up as I find it quite amusing that children have to be taught how to share. There is a stage in a child's development that they call the mine-stages. One does not teach a child to be selfish but that seems to come naturally. Thus my statement above.

First post nailed it.
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i don't know about other people, but i know that i'm inherently amazing.

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#11 dancewithhats
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i don't know about other people, but i know that i'm inherently amazing.

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and modest..
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Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish). I always bring this up as I find it quite amusing that children have to be taught how to share. There is a stage in a child's development that they call the mine-stages. One does not teach a child to be selfish but that seems to come naturally. Thus my statement above.Sajedene

Only an evil person would say something like that.

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#13 Former_Slacker
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Those are completely subjective terms, it isn't possible to answer the question. One person could consider finding cents on the pavement and taking them to be evil while another could have no problem with murder and consider it to be good if it fits what their cause may be.

Good read on Altruism in animals and young children, relative to this thread:

http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.0050184

Someone link please (I don't know how)

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Depends on the person

Can't say people are born inherently good or evil... I think people initially started out as a blank sheet of paper, waiting to add words and colors onto it

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Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish). I always bring this up as I find it quite amusing that children have to be taught how to share. There is a stage in a child's development that they call the mine-stages. One does not teach a child to be selfish but that seems to come naturally. Thus my statement above.Sajedene

Quote from study i posted:

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In the first experiment, we compared the helpfulness of chimpanzees and human infants toward unfamiliar individuals. Subjects were 36 semi–free ranging chimpanzees born in the wild who were tested by a human with whom they had virtually no prior interaction (no training, no feeding, no previous testing). In addition, 36 18-mo-old human infants (same age as in [15]) were tested by an unfamiliar adult in a similar context, allowing a direct quantitative comparison between species. The general idea of the testing situation was that an object was placed out of reach for the recipient, but within reach of the subject. Helping consisted of handing the object to the recipient. To assess the motivations underlying helping, we varied whether the recipient made an unsuccessful attempt to get the object (reaching versus no reaching) and whether he rewarded the subjects in exchange for the object (reward versus no reward). If subjects are responsive to the other's goal, they should hand the object more often in reaching than in no-reaching conditions. If they are primarily interested in their own immediate benefit, they should help more often in reward than in no-reward conditions.

In the chimpanzee experiment, after experimenter 1 and 2 (E1 and E2) struggled over a wooden stick to highlight its value for E1, E2 placed the stick in the hallway (Figure 1A, Video S1). Then, according to the condition, E1 would either outstretch his arm through the bars towards the stick (Reaching) or look at the object but not reach for it (No Reaching). In addition, he would either hold a piece of banana in view of the subject, which he gave them in exchange for the stick (Reward) or not have any food available (No Reward). The same basic procedure was used to test infants' helping. As a reward for the infants, we used toy cubes that were needed to play a highly motivating novel game. The helping scenario was as follows: E1 sat at the desk, using a pen to write a letter. E2 walked toward her, snatched the pen out of her hand, and put it on a stool in front of the desk out of E1′s reach (Figure 1B, Video S2). As with the chimpanzees, E1 then performed the behaviors according to the four conditions. Each subject was individually administered ten consecutive trials in one of four between-subject conditions (Reach–Reward; Reach–No Reward; No Reach–Reward; No Reach–No Reward). Thus, in each of the four conditions, nine chimpanzees and nine human infants were tested for a comparison of 72 subjects total. Each trial lasted up to 60 s: During the first 30 s, E1 vocalized and focused on the object, whereas in the remaining 30 s, E1 in addition called the subject's name and alternated gaze between the target object and the subject.

We conducted a four-way mixed-models analysis of variance on the mean percentage of trials with helping, entering species, reach, and reward as between-subject and 1st versus 2nd half of session as within-subject factor. As displayed in Figure 2, helping occurred more often in reaching than in no-reaching conditions [F (1,64) = 14.52, p< 0.001], independently of species and reward (no main effects, no interactions). Pairwise comparisons using independent sample t-tests confirmed that reaching was the only significant factor, also when analyzed separately by species. On an individual level, 12 of 18 chimpanzees and 16 of 18 infants tested in reaching conditions helped at least once. For infants as well as for chimpanzees, the determining factor as to whether help was provided was whether the experimenter unsuccessfully attempted to retrieve the object. This indicates that subjects were motivated to help the experimenter with his/her unachieved goal (seeing the other succeed might even be intrinsically motivating for them), but did not aim at retrieving a material reward for themselves. Rewarding their helping was unnecessary and did not even raise the rate of helping in either case."

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Depends on the person

Can't say people are born inherently good or evil... I think people initially started out as a blank sheet of paper, waiting to add words and colors onto it

ariz3260

Tabula Resa. . .yet, as somebody else said, you don't need to teach a child to be selfish.

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Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish).Sajedene
If everyone were to act selfishly, we wouldn't get very far and I doubt your positive conception of a go-getter would survive long. For that reason humanity is inherently evil.
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish). I always bring this up as I find it quite amusing that children have to be taught how to share. There is a stage in a child's development that they call the mine-stages. One does not teach a child to be selfish but that seems to come naturally. Thus my statement above.Former_Slacker

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Did the study find out of helping regardless of reward made the infant / individual / chimp feel good about themselves? IF not or IF that is the case - then you just fulfilled something for yourself. Perhaps the act of helping is the reward in itself so you did it so you don't feel horrible. So you do it not to make them feel better but you do it so you feel better about yourself. Speculation, yes... but that is something that needs to be considered in that study. A reward for one individual could be insignificant to another.

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neither, humans just dont care, all they want is personal benefit
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish).SolidSnake35
If everyone were to act selfishly, we wouldn't get very far and I doubt your positive conception of a go-getter would survive long. For that reason humanity is inherently evil.

As I posted just now... being self serving and self fulfilling and self preserving does not equal selfishness necessarily. You can be self serving while helping others if helping others makes you feel good about yourself. Is there such a thing as a true act of kindness? Where you receive no benefit from it?
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Do you believe human beings are inherently good or evil? Why is it that some people can freely do immortal things while others do good deeds? Society and environment does play a part in influencing a person's mentality and attitude towards situations, but there are those who stray from being 'good'. What is it that causes one to choose to do acceptable or unethical things? There are those who grow up in a positive environment who can end up evil, but there are also those who have experienced violence in their life and turn out good. If a person were to grow in an area with no influence whatsoever, how do you think they would turn out? What if there were no standards in society on morals or values, will we all truly allow our evil side to be put into action? Can too much of one or the other be corrupting, do you believe there needs to be some kind of balance between both? Is it harder for someone good to become evil, or an evil person to convert themselves into a good person? And do you agree on the human concept of what is believe to be good or evil?

davinadarkstar

That's a lot of questions, and I'm not going to comment on every single one.

Still, humans aren't born good or evil. Good and evil are just concepts created by humans to help categorize our social actions. The words "good" and "evil" really don't mean anything outside of describing one's behavior in a social context.

Still, chances are that we only have a notion of "good" and "evil" because we are inherently social. We're not like a chameleon. We're not a solitary animal that can rape and murder at will because there's no "society" to judge our actions. We're more like ants. A SOCIETY of ants can **** up just about anyone. But one single ant alone by itself is nothing. We need society or else we die. So...if humans have a fundamental urge to be social, and if notions of "good" and "evil" are simply an adaptation which has allowed our species to survive by cooperating, then I think that it's more fair to say that most people are fundamentally "good". Most people fit into society. And since "goodness" is so much a measure of conforming to accepted societal rules, it's certainly not fair to say that most people are bad. If that were the case, then society wouldn't work.

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We're animals, we can be both.
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Inherently neutral, just like every other organism on Earth.

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[QUOTE="ariz3260"]

Depends on the person

Can't say people are born inherently good or evil... I think people initially started out as a blank sheet of paper, waiting to add words and colors onto it

Theokhoth

Tabula Resa. . .yet, as somebody else said, you don't need to teach a child to be selfish.

True.

But I like to think of selfishness (at least at a young age) serves as a biological function, not necessary a conscious choice. I'm not entirely sure if a young child can distinguish what he/she is doing can be catagorize as "selfish" or "selfless"... the child is doing what "feels good", and imo doing what "feels good" does not equate selfish

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Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish). I always bring this up as I find it quite amusing that children have to be taught how to share. There is a stage in a child's development that they call the mine-stages. One does not teach a child to be selfish but that seems to come naturally. Thus my statement above.Sajedene
Nope.. humans have never existed on a self serve basis. Since our conception we have relied on social groups in order to survive The whole people are selfish and only out for themselves attitude.. is a product of societies that practice extreme individualism... and they're just deluding themselves about reality. Anyways, people are neither good or evil. They just are.

Besides.. selfish people are on the negative side of natural selection and are being selectively removed from the population as they display lower intelligence than those who value the community.

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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish).SolidSnake35
If everyone were to act selfishly, we wouldn't get very far and I doubt your positive conception of a go-getter would survive long. For that reason humanity is inherently evil.

Better question: What is evil?

Humans acting selfishly isn't inherently evil (unless it is in your definition of evil) but rather it's a means of self-preservation for the individual.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish).Sajedene
If everyone were to act selfishly, we wouldn't get very far and I doubt your positive conception of a go-getter would survive long. For that reason humanity is inherently evil.

As I posted just now... being self serving and self fulfilling and self preserving does not equal selfishness necessarily. You can be self serving while helping others if helping others makes you feel good about yourself. Is there such a thing as a true act of kindness? Where you receive no benefit from it?

What you're proposing is just egoism. I believe that a morally good act is one done for its own sake.
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#28 Sajedene
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="ariz3260"]

Depends on the person

Can't say people are born inherently good or evil... I think people initially started out as a blank sheet of paper, waiting to add words and colors onto it

ariz3260

Tabula Resa. . .yet, as somebody else said, you don't need to teach a child to be selfish.

True.

But I like to think of selfishness (at least at a young age) serves as a biological function, not necessary a conscious choice. I'm not entirely sure if a young child can distinguish what he/she is doing can be catagorize as "selfish" or "selfless"... the child is doing what "feels good", and imo doing what "feels good" does not equate selfish

Hence my first post... it depends on ones views and morals and how they see it. But bottom line is we are self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling.
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Humans acting selfishly isn't inherently evil (unless it is in your definition of evil) but rather it's a means of self-preservation for the individual.Trinners
Humans go beyond basic self preservation. We're motivated by greed amongst many other things.
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Chaotic Neutral.

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#31 dracula_16
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Neither. You don't have to be so black and white.

The belief that all people are evil stems from the new testament, especially in the book of Romans. That's merely a trick that tries to put the guilt trip on to people, which unfortunately leads to conversion (in a lot of cases). If there was no self-loathing doctrine, there would be no need to introduce the notion that everyone needs a saviour. The author(s) were trying to lead people into their trap.

The belief that all people are good is unrealisticly optimistic, I doubt anyone could say it with a straight face.

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I would say we're in many ways inherently good. I think most people would do the right thing if a situation dictated that a "good" or "evil" choice be made. There are of course going to be those who would choose the "evil" option but most people who would in a real life situation choose the evil option would have had some sort of past event influence them in that. I feel that humans as a whole tend to lean toward good more often than evil. Then again my whole view on the "good or evil" thing is a bit skewed since I've been described as "a saint" and of course, as has been said in this topic already, good and evil are subjective.
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[QUOTE="ariz3260"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Tabula Resa. . .yet, as somebody else said, you don't need to teach a child to be selfish.

Sajedene

True.

But I like to think of selfishness (at least at a young age) serves as a biological function, not necessary a conscious choice. I'm not entirely sure if a young child can distinguish what he/she is doing can be catagorize as "selfish" or "selfless"... the child is doing what "feels good", and imo doing what "feels good" does not equate selfish

Hence my first post... it depends on ones views and morals and how they see it. But bottom line is we are self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling.

Yes, until we learn to take into account one's role in society and recognizing what it is to work and function with other... sort of like expanding the circle of influence one's in. Initially, inside the circle, its only big enough to contain "me" and "me" only. One would do anything and everything to satisfied what this "me" wants. Then, gradually (and hopefully), this circle of influence expand and begins to take in more people as one learns that the benefits of other people are as valid and importance as one's own

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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish). I always bring this up as I find it quite amusing that children have to be taught how to share. There is a stage in a child's development that they call the mine-stages. One does not teach a child to be selfish but that seems to come naturally. Thus my statement above.EMOEVOLUTION

Nope.. humans have never existed on a self serve basis. Since our conception we have relied on social groups in order to survive The whole people are selfish and only out for themselves attitude.. is a product of societies that practice extreme individualism... and they're just deluding themselves about reality. Anyways, people are neither good or evil. They just are.

Besides.. selfish people are on the negative side of natural selection and are being selectively removed from the population as they display lower intelligence than those who value the community.

Sure, people are self-serving. People do good for other people because it makes them feel good. For most people, being good feels good. And if that isn't enough incentive, most people follow some kind of god who offers some kind of reward for being good.

Natural selection results in most people taking self-pleasure in doing things that are beneficial to the community. Sure, being "good" is a kind of selfishness, and there's not even anything particularly wrong with that.

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[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="ariz3260"]

True.

But I like to think of selfishness (at least at a young age) serves as a biological function, not necessary a conscious choice. I'm not entirely sure if a young child can distinguish what he/she is doing can be catagorize as "selfish" or "selfless"... the child is doing what "feels good", and imo doing what "feels good" does not equate selfish

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Hence my first post... it depends on ones views and morals and how they see it. But bottom line is we are self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling.

Yes, until we learn to take into account one's role in society and recognizing what it is to work and function with other... sort of like expanding the circle of influence one's in. Initially, inside the circle, its only big enough to contain "me" and "me" only. One would do anything and everything to satisfied what this "me" wants. Then, gradually (and hopefully), this circle of influence expand and begins to take in more people as one learns that the benefits of other people are as valid and importance as one's own

Your whole explanation still fulfills my initial statements. When one finds their place in society (self preserving / self fulfilling) - if you ask yourself what makes a person and what motivates a person to see others needs as equal to their own you have to ask why... and it will always come down to something that will fulfill at least one of the three I mentioned. Now how that is viewed, is again, determined on the individual...
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#36 Famiking
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I want to say good, but I can't explain why. :? They aren't "good" by adult standards, but everyone knows and the baby knows that they're perfect just the way they are. Okay, I can't explain for ****.
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#37 Trinners
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[QUOTE="Trinners"]Humans acting selfishly isn't inherently evil (unless it is in your definition of evil) but rather it's a means of self-preservation for the individual.SolidSnake35
Humans go beyond basic self preservation. We're motivated by greed amongst many other things.

greed and selfishness are manifestations of self-preservation.

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#38 ariz3260
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Your whole explanation still fulfills my initial statements. When one finds their place in society (self preserving / self fulfilling) - if you ask yourself what makes a person and what motivates a person to see others needs as equal to their own you have to ask why... and it will always come down to something that will fulfill at least one of the three I mentioned. Now how that is viewed, is again, determined on the individual...Sajedene

I believe people can go beyond just fulfilling one's own motivation... I guess I'm just weird that way.

With enough wisdom and fortitude I think people can see beyond just satisfy one's own need and extend the same type of love and kindness to other people that are reserved for oneself

The closest example I could think of is the love parents have for their children, or when a couple is deeply in love with each other and each of the two involved feel like they can give up everything for the benefit for the other...

Of course, these unconditional kindness I mentioned above are not entirely unconditional... they became that way because of the bond/relationship share by the people involved

If one can truly transcend beyond conventional perception of self, this unconditional love can be achieve, I honestly believe it can.

But I should stop here now... its becoming more of a rant from my part :P

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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]Your whole explanation still fulfills my initial statements. When one finds their place in society (self preserving / self fulfilling) - if you ask yourself what makes a person and what motivates a person to see others needs as equal to their own you have to ask why... and it will always come down to something that will fulfill at least one of the three I mentioned. Now how that is viewed, is again, determined on the individual...ariz3260

I believe people can go beyond just fulfilling one's own motivation... I guess I'm just weird that way.

With enough wisdom and fortitude I think people can see beyond just satisfy one's own need and extend the same type of love and kindness to other people that are reserved for oneself

The closest example I could think of is the love parents have for their children, or when a couple is deeply in love with each other and each of the two involved feel like they can give up everything for the benefit for the other...

Of course, these unconditional kindness I mentioned above are not entirely unconditional... they became that way because of the bond/relationship share by the people involved

If one can truly transcend beyond conventional perception of self, this unconditional love can be achieve, I honestly believe it can.

But I should stop here now... its becoming more of a rant from my part :P

Oh no not at all. I totally get where you are coming from and that is how we all would like to see things - but then at the same time I always say it will eventually boil down to ones self. As I just stated it is how we (or I) would like to see things... how there is something beyond ones self. That's us being self preserving. Unconditional love - that is where we are willing to give ourselves up for the ones we love - because we (I) can not live with out them. Because we (I) can not stand the idea of them being hurt. Because we (I) love them. etc etc etc.
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#40 Smallville417
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Both with the edge going towards good. Bad situations bring out the best or worst in people.

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Neither. Human's emotions, actions, and choices are only dictated by outside factos that we have no actual say in, because every little thing affects how we act. So how can one be good or evil if we can't choose what we are?
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#43 Guybrush_3
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Statistically speaking most people are good. (most people do not steal, murder etc.)

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#44 Sajedene
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Statistically speaking most people are good. (most people do not steal, murder etc.)

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Or maybe most people just don't get caught ;)
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#45 MetroidPrimePwn
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Neither. We all start out without any concept of values, not even knowing what right or wrong is until we are told it by society. I think we all want to be good, but it's just so easy to be bad.

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#46 ariz3260
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Unconditional love - that is where we are willing to give ourselves up for the ones we love - because we (I) can not live with out them. Because we (I) can not stand the idea of them being hurt. Because we (I) love them. etc etc etc. Sajedene

Very nice definition there.

But I like to go even one step further, to extend this "unconditional love" to pepople we don't even love or know. It is easier to be kind for those who are close to us, but that much more difficult to extend the same gesture for those we have little feelings for or even, for those we don't like at all. In short, we tend to love those who love us back. I think the highest achievement one could accomplish is to be able to love even those who don't love us back... just imagine the difficulty.

Anyhoo, I really should stop here before this turns into a religious thread and derail it... :P

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It certainly is easier to do the wrong thing then the right thing, so what does that say about us?

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#48 inyourface_12
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both. one cannot exist without the other

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#49 Z0MBIES
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Edit: next time I'll actually read some posts lol.

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Neither. Good and Evil are dictated by society. What I know is that we humans are naturally self serving, self preserving, and self fulfilling. Depending on how one is brought up and their morals... that can be seen as good (independent, go-getter, leader) and/or evil (selfish). I always bring this up as I find it quite amusing that children have to be taught how to share. There is a stage in a child's development that they call the mine-stages. One does not teach a child to be selfish but that seems to come naturally. Thus my statement above.Sajedene

this is what I believe. I think everyone is essentially nuetral, or at least balanced...meaning that their good flaws equal their bad flaws. Fortunately, most of the people I have met have been more good than bad; rarely do I encounter a truly bad person, and when I do, theyre usually just having a bad day.

There is no shame in being self-serving or self-preserving, its simply natural to want to be good at what you do, be rewarded for it, and survive and live well. What you do with that success, however, is what determines the good or the bad; do you share it with your family? Are you a good person, generous with as they are with you? Etc, etc.

Personally, I believe the best thing you can do for society, is to do the best you can for yourself. This is, of course, only if you are a good person, and I think most people are. We just dont hear about the 99.9% of the good people, because the small percentage of bad people are so much funner to hear about and they scare us and keep us under control